markvmc wrote:What's strange is just how many bad coaches we've had over the past 10 years. Wilkens, Brown, D'Antoni. Why do we keep hiring these crappy coaches?

CrushAlot wrote:

markvmc wrote:What's strange is just how many bad coaches we've had over the past 10 years. Wilkens, Brown, D'Antoni. Why do we keep hiring these crappy coaches?

The Knicks have a bad coach. The HOF coaches that you mentioned had the misfortune of working under the worst executive in the history of the NBA.

Brown had his own personal agenda and was warring with the GM. WIlkens had far more sucess than D'Antoni did here.

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:My math might be wrong ( long day, great craft beer) but I believe D'Antoni has only won 36% of his games when Nash wasn't his point guard. You can come up with some legitimate excuses for part of that record but it spans 5 years. When you consider Boris Diaw's recent interview when he focused on the brilliance of Steve Nash it holds more weight.

Your hate for him has transgresses beyond personal to the level of religion. Do you think MJ didn't coach the Bulls when he was on the floor with them? Stockton? Magic? Heck even Derrick rose does the same thing, this is what great players do.

5 years 36% winning percentage is a significant body of work in my opinion. Also, while I have never liked the hire because I think the philosophy was wrong, I do think management chose to put D'Antoni in a position where he can't be successful. Hate is a very strong word. I can't think of anyone that I hate, I have disagreed fundamentally how D'Antoni approaches coaching and how he wants his team to play. That isn't hate but I desperately want the team to move on. Also, if you asked me if I respected his character and work ethic I would give you a different answer.

You choose to see only the losing part of the record and explain away the winning part. And this then is fair assessment of his work? You are better than this my good man.

He won at an amazing rate with Nash and an assortment of all stars. What he did worked with that roster. However, he was in a unique situation. If Riley came to the Knicks in 91 and expected Mark Jackson to run a showtime offense I don't think he would have been successful.

so why is it a surprise that we are not successful right now without a PG?

Everyone here knows this team needs a point guard, but that's not the sole reason this team is 6-9.

At the end of the day, this team has 2 perennial all stars, regardless of their positions, and they should be somewhere along 9-6, or 10-5. But they're not.

They're lost and unprepared on a nightly basis.

That falls on the head coach.

you guys are HIGH larious

I guess Gallo smoking Melo falls on the head coach also. Im glad it happened. I didnt even watch. No point

Ah, just the man i was expecting to chime in.

Tell me fish, what do you hold Dantoni accountable for?

nykshaknbake wrote:It falls on them both. But funny how all the players coming under MDA without coach Nash seem to stink it up with time. Well over a 100 players and they all stink! But it must be them. Poor genious MDA!

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:My math might be wrong ( long day, great craft beer) but I believe D'Antoni has only won 36% of his games when Nash wasn't his point guard. You can come up with some legitimate excuses for part of that record but it spans 5 years. When you consider Boris Diaw's recent interview when he focused on the brilliance of Steve Nash it holds more weight.

Your hate for him has transgresses beyond personal to the level of religion. Do you think MJ didn't coach the Bulls when he was on the floor with them? Stockton? Magic? Heck even Derrick rose does the same thing, this is what great players do.

5 years 36% winning percentage is a significant body of work in my opinion. Also, while I have never liked the hire because I think the philosophy was wrong, I do think management chose to put D'Antoni in a position where he can't be successful. Hate is a very strong word. I can't think of anyone that I hate, I have disagreed fundamentally how D'Antoni approaches coaching and how he wants his team to play. That isn't hate but I desperately want the team to move on. Also, if you asked me if I respected his character and work ethic I would give you a different answer.

You choose to see only the losing part of the record and explain away the winning part. And this then is fair assessment of his work? You are better than this my good man.

He won at an amazing rate with Nash and an assortment of all stars. What he did worked with that roster. However, he was in a unique situation. If Riley came to the Knicks in 91 and expected Mark Jackson to run a showtime offense I don't think he would have been successful.

so why is it a surprise that we are not successful right now without a PG?

Everyone here knows this team needs a point guard, but that's not the sole reason this team is 6-9.

At the end of the day, this team has 2 perennial all stars, regardless of their positions, and they should be somewhere along 9-6, or 10-5. But they're not.

They're lost and unprepared on a nightly basis.

That falls on the head coach.

you guys are HIGH larious

I guess Gallo smoking Melo falls on the head coach also. Im glad it happened. I didnt even watch. No point

You give a lesser coach this same player turnover over the same time period and see if they get a team in the playoffs.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:It falls on them both. But funny how all the players coming under MDA without coach Nash seem to stink it up with time. Well over a 100 players and they all stink! But it must be them. Poor genious MDA!

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:My math might be wrong ( long day, great craft beer) but I believe D'Antoni has only won 36% of his games when Nash wasn't his point guard. You can come up with some legitimate excuses for part of that record but it spans 5 years. When you consider Boris Diaw's recent interview when he focused on the brilliance of Steve Nash it holds more weight.

Your hate for him has transgresses beyond personal to the level of religion. Do you think MJ didn't coach the Bulls when he was on the floor with them? Stockton? Magic? Heck even Derrick rose does the same thing, this is what great players do.

5 years 36% winning percentage is a significant body of work in my opinion. Also, while I have never liked the hire because I think the philosophy was wrong, I do think management chose to put D'Antoni in a position where he can't be successful. Hate is a very strong word. I can't think of anyone that I hate, I have disagreed fundamentally how D'Antoni approaches coaching and how he wants his team to play. That isn't hate but I desperately want the team to move on. Also, if you asked me if I respected his character and work ethic I would give you a different answer.

You choose to see only the losing part of the record and explain away the winning part. And this then is fair assessment of his work? You are better than this my good man.

He won at an amazing rate with Nash and an assortment of all stars. What he did worked with that roster. However, he was in a unique situation. If Riley came to the Knicks in 91 and expected Mark Jackson to run a showtime offense I don't think he would have been successful.

so why is it a surprise that we are not successful right now without a PG?

Everyone here knows this team needs a point guard, but that's not the sole reason this team is 6-9.

At the end of the day, this team has 2 perennial all stars, regardless of their positions, and they should be somewhere along 9-6, or 10-5. But they're not.

They're lost and unprepared on a nightly basis.

That falls on the head coach.

you guys are HIGH larious

I guess Gallo smoking Melo falls on the head coach also. Im glad it happened. I didnt even watch. No point

You give a lesser coach this same player turnover over the same time period and see if they get a team in the playoffs.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:1. A lesser coach would be hard to find.
2. Why would we get a lesser coach when almost anyone would be better.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:It falls on them both. But funny how all the players coming under MDA without coach Nash seem to stink it up with time. Well over a 100 players and they all stink! But it must be them. Poor genious MDA!

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:My math might be wrong ( long day, great craft beer) but I believe D'Antoni has only won 36% of his games when Nash wasn't his point guard. You can come up with some legitimate excuses for part of that record but it spans 5 years. When you consider Boris Diaw's recent interview when he focused on the brilliance of Steve Nash it holds more weight.

Your hate for him has transgresses beyond personal to the level of religion. Do you think MJ didn't coach the Bulls when he was on the floor with them? Stockton? Magic? Heck even Derrick rose does the same thing, this is what great players do.

5 years 36% winning percentage is a significant body of work in my opinion. Also, while I have never liked the hire because I think the philosophy was wrong, I do think management chose to put D'Antoni in a position where he can't be successful. Hate is a very strong word. I can't think of anyone that I hate, I have disagreed fundamentally how D'Antoni approaches coaching and how he wants his team to play. That isn't hate but I desperately want the team to move on. Also, if you asked me if I respected his character and work ethic I would give you a different answer.

You choose to see only the losing part of the record and explain away the winning part. And this then is fair assessment of his work? You are better than this my good man.

He won at an amazing rate with Nash and an assortment of all stars. What he did worked with that roster. However, he was in a unique situation. If Riley came to the Knicks in 91 and expected Mark Jackson to run a showtime offense I don't think he would have been successful.

so why is it a surprise that we are not successful right now without a PG?

Everyone here knows this team needs a point guard, but that's not the sole reason this team is 6-9.

At the end of the day, this team has 2 perennial all stars, regardless of their positions, and they should be somewhere along 9-6, or 10-5. But they're not.

They're lost and unprepared on a nightly basis.

That falls on the head coach.

you guys are HIGH larious

I guess Gallo smoking Melo falls on the head coach also. Im glad it happened. I didnt even watch. No point

You give a lesser coach this same player turnover over the same time period and see if they get a team in the playoffs.

No consideration for context and posting above the quote, to boot. Terrible.

My apologies for the posting above the quote. The rest is excuses that don't work especially given the product on the floor. A better coach would have some problems for sure, but not to this degree. My question to you is if MDA has accomplished nothing why such a drive to keep and defend him? Next year will be the same. MDA didn't have Baron(if we retain him) for ha;lf the season and no preaeason, so it's not fair to judge him. He needs at least one season with roster change. Wahh wah.

CrushAlot wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:1. A lesser coach would be hard to find.
2. Why would we get a lesser coach when almost anyone would be better.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:It falls on them both. But funny how all the players coming under MDA without coach Nash seem to stink it up with time. Well over a 100 players and they all stink! But it must be them. Poor genious MDA!

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:My math might be wrong ( long day, great craft beer) but I believe D'Antoni has only won 36% of his games when Nash wasn't his point guard. You can come up with some legitimate excuses for part of that record but it spans 5 years. When you consider Boris Diaw's recent interview when he focused on the brilliance of Steve Nash it holds more weight.

Your hate for him has transgresses beyond personal to the level of religion. Do you think MJ didn't coach the Bulls when he was on the floor with them? Stockton? Magic? Heck even Derrick rose does the same thing, this is what great players do.

5 years 36% winning percentage is a significant body of work in my opinion. Also, while I have never liked the hire because I think the philosophy was wrong, I do think management chose to put D'Antoni in a position where he can't be successful. Hate is a very strong word. I can't think of anyone that I hate, I have disagreed fundamentally how D'Antoni approaches coaching and how he wants his team to play. That isn't hate but I desperately want the team to move on. Also, if you asked me if I respected his character and work ethic I would give you a different answer.

You choose to see only the losing part of the record and explain away the winning part. And this then is fair assessment of his work? You are better than this my good man.

He won at an amazing rate with Nash and an assortment of all stars. What he did worked with that roster. However, he was in a unique situation. If Riley came to the Knicks in 91 and expected Mark Jackson to run a showtime offense I don't think he would have been successful.

so why is it a surprise that we are not successful right now without a PG?

Everyone here knows this team needs a point guard, but that's not the sole reason this team is 6-9.

At the end of the day, this team has 2 perennial all stars, regardless of their positions, and they should be somewhere along 9-6, or 10-5. But they're not.

They're lost and unprepared on a nightly basis.

That falls on the head coach.

you guys are HIGH larious

I guess Gallo smoking Melo falls on the head coach also. Im glad it happened. I didnt even watch. No point

You give a lesser coach this same player turnover over the same time period and see if they get a team in the playoffs.

No consideration for context and posting above the quote, to boot. Terrible.

My apologies for the posting above the quote. The rest is excuses that don't work especially given the product on the floor. A better coach would have some problems for sure, but not to this degree. My question to you is if MDA has accomplished nothing why such a drive to keep and defend him? Next year will be the same. MDA didn't have Baron(if we retain him) for ha;lf the season and no preaeason, so it's not fair to judge him. He needs at least one season with roster change. Wahh wah.

I agree. It isn't just this year. The guy has been here for 3+ years. In my opinion he should have been let go a long time ago. I actually feel sorry for him this year as I don't think he has a chance to succeed. What he did in the past earned his being canned in my opinion. I also don't think he brings anything to the bench that benefits the Knicks. Not being able to adjust to his personnel was a problem before this year.

Send Closk imminent.