holfresh wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:How is Amare a leader? Explain this to me. Nothing has shown me he is any different than Bosh in that regard.

Then you must have been asleep the last year...

I was wide awake, thanks.

Scoring points and flexing when you dunk on someone doesn't make you a leader.

No but standing up in front of the cameras when you start 3-8 and say this team has to do better and going out and have a monster first half makes you a leader...Did you really forget he had 8 consecutive 30 point games...Did you forgot last year he led the league with game winners at one point???...Did you forget him giving Moz support who he struggled one particular game???...or you maybe you can only see one month back???

So...in essence..being the best player on your team makes you a leader.

When Amare called out his team at 3-8 you forget he was also playing like crap too. He was talking about the defense needing to improve and such and that was laughable coming from this guy. Amare scoring points doesn't make him a leader. I'm sorry. There are guys who are leaders and guys who talk like they think they're leaders. Amare is the latter.

Kobe, Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, those guys - leaders.

Amare? He can only dream to be in that company of not only talent but of having respect of his teammates like they do.

Amare is a leader like Marbury was a leader. Say "we" but never really take the blame for yourself on anything. Amare can't lead. He's not a natural leader. No teammate is sitting in his locker listening to Amare talking about defense, rebounding and shot selection and taking him seriously.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

holfresh wrote:It is just unbelievable to see poster here turn on STAT like he has done nothing to turn around this cellar dwelling franchise...STAT with the help of Felton were the main reasons the Knicks got to .500 and the playoffs last year... Sure he is off to a slow start..Most of it a product of not having a decent PG...Another is our brilliant coach that many of you love, wants him to be more of a jump shooter this year...I'm really not worried about what STAT will bring this season...I'm more worried about what consistency will happen in our backcourt going into the playoffs...I'm seeing postings that Bosh is better off a 12 game sample...Where were you last year...Do you guys think Bosh could have done what Amare has done for the Knicks...The greatest was the trade for KG proposal who is averaging around 13 and 7...Kick him while he is down and ride his jock when he gets back to form...True definition of fair weather fans!!!!...

You're right. I forgot how nasty STAT looked last year and I turned on him and now I'm ashamed of it.

I hope once this team has a PG and can find some people to space the floor (there are ZERO serviceable knock down shooters on this roster right now) he'll look as good as he did in the beginning of last season.

It still really really irks me when we've been riding a losing streak and I catch a play like the one during the Phoenix game where Amare had Steve Nash of all people boxing him out and he made absolutely no effort to body his ass out of the way and go help crash the boards.

What is wrong with Amare right now? Is it lack of PG/3 pt shooters/health?

I think it's a combination of a few things..I think it's where he now gets the ball...i think it's his new role on the perimeter...He doesn't have anyone trying to get him the ball in the lane...I also think it has tons to do with confidence with the rest of the team...This team has not figure out how they are going to win yet...That's a huge problem now...Melo is not a point forward...I think BD will help alot, not because of his skill but it will take pressure off others and return them to their normal roles...I think we have to make a trade for a geniune backup PG...But we will see, I'm not worried, I a Giant fan, I think people here will eat crow before the end of the year....

Does it not irk you that it appears he doesn't really get after it on the boards and defense in general?

When his game is on he's an awesome scorer/finisher etc but it just kills me to watch him on the boards and on D.

He's is a vet with nothing to prove...I think he is trying to find his way in the scheme of things...I see him talking to Chandler on where he should be..I see him talking to Baron on different aspects of the game when he gets off the floor...I just think the coach having him playing the role of a jump shooter is a mistake...I think all these defensive issues will iron out itself with playing time...Miami took a year to get it right...I think he is trying too hard as well getting into foul trouble...This is Amare we are talking about here not Landry Fields...Amare is 29 and is a stud...We all need to stop bugging...

holfresh wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

holfresh wrote:It is just unbelievable to see poster here turn on STAT like he has done nothing to turn around this cellar dwelling franchise...STAT with the help of Felton were the main reasons the Knicks got to .500 and the playoffs last year... Sure he is off to a slow start..Most of it a product of not having a decent PG...Another is our brilliant coach that many of you love, wants him to be more of a jump shooter this year...I'm really not worried about what STAT will bring this season...I'm more worried about what consistency will happen in our backcourt going into the playoffs...I'm seeing postings that Bosh is better off a 12 game sample...Where were you last year...Do you guys think Bosh could have done what Amare has done for the Knicks...The greatest was the trade for KG proposal who is averaging around 13 and 7...Kick him while he is down and ride his jock when he gets back to form...True definition of fair weather fans!!!!...

You're right. I forgot how nasty STAT looked last year and I turned on him and now I'm ashamed of it.

I hope once this team has a PG and can find some people to space the floor (there are ZERO serviceable knock down shooters on this roster right now) he'll look as good as he did in the beginning of last season.

It still really really irks me when we've been riding a losing streak and I catch a play like the one during the Phoenix game where Amare had Steve Nash of all people boxing him out and he made absolutely no effort to body his ass out of the way and go help crash the boards.

What is wrong with Amare right now? Is it lack of PG/3 pt shooters/health?

I think it's a combination of a few things..I think it's where he now gets the ball...i think it's his new role on the perimeter...He doesn't have anyone trying to get him the ball in the lane...I also think it has tons to do with confidence with the rest of the team...This team has not figure out how they are going to win yet...That's a huge problem now...Melo is not a point forward...I think BD will help alot, not because of his skill but it will take pressure off others and return them to their normal roles...I think we have to make a trade for a geniune backup PG...But we will see, I'm not worried, I a Giant fan, I think people here will eat crow before the end of the year....

Does it not irk you that it appears he doesn't really get after it on the boards and defense in general?

When his game is on he's an awesome scorer/finisher etc but it just kills me to watch him on the boards and on D.

He's is a vet with nothing to prove...I think he is trying to find his way in the scheme of things...I see him talking to Chandler on where he should be..I see him talking to Baron on different aspects of the game when he gets off the floor...I just think the coach having him playing the role of a jump shooter is a mistake...I think all these defensive issues will iron out itself with playing time...Miami took a year to get it right...I think he is trying to hard as well getting into foul trouble...This is Amare we are talking about here not Landry Fields...Amare is 29 and is a stud...We all need to stop bugging...

He has everything to prove when he said the knicks are back. He has everything to prove when he said we are going to play defense but he has been the worst defender on the entire team. Right or wrong?

holfresh wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

holfresh wrote:It is just unbelievable to see poster here turn on STAT like he has done nothing to turn around this cellar dwelling franchise...STAT with the help of Felton were the main reasons the Knicks got to .500 and the playoffs last year... Sure he is off to a slow start..Most of it a product of not having a decent PG...Another is our brilliant coach that many of you love, wants him to be more of a jump shooter this year...I'm really not worried about what STAT will bring this season...I'm more worried about what consistency will happen in our backcourt going into the playoffs...I'm seeing postings that Bosh is better off a 12 game sample...Where were you last year...Do you guys think Bosh could have done what Amare has done for the Knicks...The greatest was the trade for KG proposal who is averaging around 13 and 7...Kick him while he is down and ride his jock when he gets back to form...True definition of fair weather fans!!!!...

You're right. I forgot how nasty STAT looked last year and I turned on him and now I'm ashamed of it.

I hope once this team has a PG and can find some people to space the floor (there are ZERO serviceable knock down shooters on this roster right now) he'll look as good as he did in the beginning of last season.

It still really really irks me when we've been riding a losing streak and I catch a play like the one during the Phoenix game where Amare had Steve Nash of all people boxing him out and he made absolutely no effort to body his ass out of the way and go help crash the boards.

What is wrong with Amare right now? Is it lack of PG/3 pt shooters/health?

I think it's a combination of a few things..I think it's where he now gets the ball...i think it's his new role on the perimeter...He doesn't have anyone trying to get him the ball in the lane...I also think it has tons to do with confidence with the rest of the team...This team has not figure out how they are going to win yet...That's a huge problem now...Melo is not a point forward...I think BD will help alot, not because of his skill but it will take pressure off others and return them to their normal roles...I think we have to make a trade for a geniune backup PG...But we will see, I'm not worried, I a Giant fan, I think people here will eat crow before the end of the year....

Does it not irk you that it appears he doesn't really get after it on the boards and defense in general?

When his game is on he's an awesome scorer/finisher etc but it just kills me to watch him on the boards and on D.

He's is a vet with nothing to prove...I think he is trying to find his way in the scheme of things...I see him talking to Chandler on where he should be..I see him talking to Baron on different aspects of the game when he gets off the floor...I just think the coach having him playing the role of a jump shooter is a mistake...I think all these defensive issues will iron out itself with playing time...Miami took a year to get it right...I think he is trying to hard as well getting into foul trouble...This is Amare we are talking about here not Landry Fields...Amare is 29 and is a stud...We all need to stop bugging...

He has everything to prove when he said the knicks are back. He has everything to prove when he said we are going to play defense but he has been the worst defender on the entire team. Right or wrong?

This isn't instant coffee...this is basketball...This team needs time to gel..With no training camp and limited practices they are figuring out on the court...It took Miami the entire year to get it right...They won games on talent alone last year not as a team until the playoffs...Miami came at you with Bron and Wade all last year...Bosh Spice barely saw the ball and sucked because he was out of the flow...Its 14 games...14 games...Some teams need seasons to gel...

Holfresh, you are making too much sense. It's pretty clear some people on here have agenda's and are more concerned about being "right."

Baron Davis/Shumpert
Fields/TD
Melo/Walker
Amare/Jorts
Chandler

maybe Kenyon Martin or JR Smith or a backup PG or something.

I just really hope in 5 years we're not talking about Melo/Amare like we talk about Marbury/ZBo. At some point we'll know if Dolan ROYALLY screwed up by meddling with Donnie's wheeling and dealing. We'll get to see whether Jordan Hill develops like Jermaine O Neal and becomes a better player than Jennings/Lawson etc.

UGH. Why can't we be like the Spurs and have a two way franchise player and steal Parker and Ginobili instead of having 2 flawed max players and passing up on Jennings/Lawson/Rondo etc.

WHY?!

Let's go Giants!