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1/18/2012  3:18 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
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AnubisADL wrote:Knicks gave him 100 million GUARANTEED to come here. Phoenix was only GUARANTEEing 60 million. Easy choice to make for Amare.

Amare STILL refuses to rebound, block out, or defend. I mean dam.

Bosh > Amare at this point. SMH at Amare.


Since the 2nd half of last year, Bosh has played way better than Amare has.

put Amare on that Team and he'd make Bosh look like Landry Fields. Poor analogy!


Bosh put up very good numbers in Toronto. It's not Lebron and Wade making him look good.

yeah, great player on a suck as steam....your still REALLY stretching to make a point and, once again did not discredit the point I made to you.

did he or did he not put better number than Amare last season (pre-playoffs). NO.

If Bosch is SO great, how come the Raptors sucked. How many times did they make the Playoff with Bosch. And if your going to bring up TORONTO Bosch, you have to bring up Suns Amare who, once again put up better numbers with more playoff appearances.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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1/18/2012  3:31 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks gave him 100 million GUARANTEED to come here. Phoenix was only GUARANTEEing 60 million. Easy choice to make for Amare.

Amare STILL refuses to rebound, block out, or defend. I mean dam.

Bosh > Amare at this point. SMH at Amare.

Amare would look awesome if he had Wade and Lebron attracting the bulk of the attention....VERY poor comparison. Also, as I said, I believe much of his problem stems from being phased out of the offense by both Douglas who won't pass to him and Melo chucking non-stop.

How can you get in a flow (not talking about the foul trouble) when you get maybe get one touch in a single quarter!! Spans of minutes go by without him even sniffing the rock.

Wade is injured.

If anything Lebron AND Wade are taking away from Bosh. The guy is soft but he is a skilled big. I think of him as a Gasol type play. Will put up great stats but can never be "the man" on a team.

Bosh is more rounded player than Amare. If Amare isn't scoring he isnt having much effect on the game. It's sad but true.

If Amare wants the ball he should grab some rebounds.

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1/18/2012  3:32 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks gave him 100 million GUARANTEED to come here. Phoenix was only GUARANTEEing 60 million. Easy choice to make for Amare.

Amare STILL refuses to rebound, block out, or defend. I mean dam.

Bosh > Amare at this point. SMH at Amare.


Since the 2nd half of last year, Bosh has played way better than Amare has.

put Amare on that Team and he'd make Bosh look like Landry Fields. Poor analogy!


Bosh put up very good numbers in Toronto. It's not Lebron and Wade making him look good.

yeah, great player on a suck as steam....your still REALLY stretching to make a point and, once again did not discredit the point I made to you.

did he or did he not put better number than Amare last season (pre-playoffs). NO.

If Bosch is SO great, how come the Raptors sucked. How many times did they make the Playoff with Bosch. And if your going to bring up TORONTO Bosch, you have to bring up Suns Amare who, once again put up better numbers with more playoff appearances.


So he's a great player on a great team and a great player on a bad team...what was your point again?
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1/18/2012  3:37 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks gave him 100 million GUARANTEED to come here. Phoenix was only GUARANTEEing 60 million. Easy choice to make for Amare.

Amare STILL refuses to rebound, block out, or defend. I mean dam.

Bosh > Amare at this point. SMH at Amare.


Since the 2nd half of last year, Bosh has played way better than Amare has.

put Amare on that Team and he'd make Bosh look like Landry Fields. Poor analogy!


Bosh put up very good numbers in Toronto. It's not Lebron and Wade making him look good.

yeah, great player on a suck as steam....your still REALLY stretching to make a point and, once again did not discredit the point I made to you.

did he or did he not put better number than Amare last season (pre-playoffs). NO.

If Bosch is SO great, how come the Raptors sucked. How many times did they make the Playoff with Bosch. And if your going to bring up TORONTO Bosch, you have to bring up Suns Amare who, once again put up better numbers with more playoff appearances.


So he's a great player on a great team and a great player on a bad team...what was your point again?

wow, you quote my post in an attempt to discredit my point and now you want me to recap...your funny as hell Bonn.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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1/18/2012  3:39 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks gave him 100 million GUARANTEED to come here. Phoenix was only GUARANTEEing 60 million. Easy choice to make for Amare.

Amare STILL refuses to rebound, block out, or defend. I mean dam.

Bosh > Amare at this point. SMH at Amare.


Since the 2nd half of last year, Bosh has played way better than Amare has.

put Amare on that Team and he'd make Bosh look like Landry Fields. Poor analogy!


Bosh put up very good numbers in Toronto. It's not Lebron and Wade making him look good.

yeah, great player on a suck as steam....your still REALLY stretching to make a point and, once again did not discredit the point I made to you.

did he or did he not put better number than Amare last season (pre-playoffs). NO.

If Bosch is SO great, how come the Raptors sucked. How many times did they make the Playoff with Bosch. And if your going to bring up TORONTO Bosch, you have to bring up Suns Amare who, once again put up better numbers with more playoff appearances.

If Amare and Bosh switched places prior to free agency, their teams would have had comparable success. Bosh was mostly surrounded by garbage in Toronto; however, he played in a garbage conference and still didn't do anything notable. Meanwhile, Amare played with an MVP playmaker that makes the players around him better. It was an ideal system that maximized Amare's offensive potential. Elite point guard. Shooter at every position. Ideal spacing. If Bosh were in that offense, his numbers and efficiency would skyrocket.

The fact of the matter is that Bosh can create for himself quite well. He is more polished and more versatile offensively. Amare is an elite finisher. He can manage creating for himself only if there is ideal spacing (stretch-4). But besides scoring, which the two are comparable in if you give Amare a PG, Bosh is the better passer, rebounder and defender. Amare is so bad at those three categories that they subtract from his strengths.

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1/18/2012  3:40 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks gave him 100 million GUARANTEED to come here. Phoenix was only GUARANTEEing 60 million. Easy choice to make for Amare.

Amare STILL refuses to rebound, block out, or defend. I mean dam.

Bosh > Amare at this point. SMH at Amare.


Since the 2nd half of last year, Bosh has played way better than Amare has.

put Amare on that Team and he'd make Bosh look like Landry Fields. Poor analogy!


Bosh put up very good numbers in Toronto. It's not Lebron and Wade making him look good.

yeah, great player on a suck as steam....your still REALLY stretching to make a point and, once again did not discredit the point I made to you.

did he or did he not put better number than Amare last season (pre-playoffs). NO.

If Bosch is SO great, how come the Raptors sucked. How many times did they make the Playoff with Bosch. And if your going to bring up TORONTO Bosch, you have to bring up Suns Amare who, once again put up better numbers with more playoff appearances.


So he's a great player on a great team and a great player on a bad team...what was your point again?

wow, you quote my post in an attempt to discredit my point and now you want me to recap...your funny as hell Bonn.

It was a rhetorical question

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1/18/2012  3:57 PM
airchibundo507 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks gave him 100 million GUARANTEED to come here. Phoenix was only GUARANTEEing 60 million. Easy choice to make for Amare.

Amare STILL refuses to rebound, block out, or defend. I mean dam.

Bosh > Amare at this point. SMH at Amare.


Since the 2nd half of last year, Bosh has played way better than Amare has.

put Amare on that Team and he'd make Bosh look like Landry Fields. Poor analogy!


Bosh put up very good numbers in Toronto. It's not Lebron and Wade making him look good.

yeah, great player on a suck as steam....your still REALLY stretching to make a point and, once again did not discredit the point I made to you.

did he or did he not put better number than Amare last season (pre-playoffs). NO.

If Bosch is SO great, how come the Raptors sucked. How many times did they make the Playoff with Bosch. And if your going to bring up TORONTO Bosch, you have to bring up Suns Amare who, once again put up better numbers with more playoff appearances.

If Amare and Bosh switched places prior to free agency, their teams would have had comparable success. Bosh was mostly surrounded by garbage in Toronto; however, he played in a garbage conference and still didn't do anything notable. Meanwhile, Amare played with an MVP playmaker that makes the players around him better. It was an ideal system that maximized Amare's offensive potential. Elite point guard. Shooter at every position. Ideal spacing. If Bosh were in that offense, his numbers and efficiency would skyrocket.

The fact of the matter is that Bosh can create for himself quite well. He is more polished and more versatile offensively. Amare is an elite finisher. He can manage creating for himself only if there is ideal spacing (stretch-4). But besides scoring, which the two are comparable in if you give Amare a PG, Bosh is the better passer, rebounder and defender. Amare is so bad at those three categories that they subtract from his strengths.

nope because in the regular season Bosch was not playing down low as, he has come to realize is where he can help his team the most. The realization came during the playoffs and he even spoke about it. Amare would have been playing in the post and dunking on cats, not playing the soft ball Bosch was playing last season.

Also, you helped make my point. Bosch played in a weak conference and did nothing notable (your words not mine). If he's so great they would have been better and Amare benefited from Nash but, as he more than proves last year he is not a product of Nash.

Amare is the type of players that will demoralize a team...Bosch is the type of player you can muscle up, push out the paint and turn into a jump shooter. Give me Amare any day of the week.

He's playing bad so, he's an easy target but, I fully expect him to return to form (Once we get a guard that can get him the damn ball).

Now, that's what I call responded and debating a point Bonn. You made some points that have made me think and I agree with some of what you wrote. Amare's defense is shyt and there is no excuse for him being as bad as he has for years now. His rebounding has risen this season (when he plays above 30minutes) so, I give him that and I believe he's a better shot blocker but, Bosch is the better all around player. Just that what Amare does do well, he is an absolute beast at.

I give then a tie on the mid range but Amare has the better inside game And his passing as seen last season playing with Gallo and company is very very good. So, Bosch only gets the edge in defense and is averaging maybe 1more rebound a game than Amare which is a wash too. Amare is the better shot blocker though

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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1/18/2012  3:58 PM
airchibundo507 wrote:Yeah. He's much smarter on defense and far more mobile and reactive, but let's not forget that defensive intensity in most players is a product of their environment. Miami eats, breaths and sleeps defense. It's a culture. Add a guy like Bosh and his defensive IQ goes up. Same thing with Allen and Pierce in Boston.

It would take a miracle to do the same with Amare. It actually looks like he is physically limited on defense. I mean it takes work to hedge the screen forcefully and bust your ass back to your man, but to stand there and do nothing guarantees a high percentage shot for the opponent.

Great points. Part of the problem is the coach. When you have one who has shown almost no interest in team defense and has historically brushed off any criticism on the subject, its hard to believe that he's going to get this team to play hardnose defense. D'Antoni preaching defense probably rings hollow to them. D'Antoni's Phoenix team was stacked with great athletes and above average individual defenders but that's not us. We have a few but not enough.

Knicks need to bring that defensive culture back to NY. Looking more and more like its time for a change.

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1/18/2012  3:59 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks gave him 100 million GUARANTEED to come here. Phoenix was only GUARANTEEing 60 million. Easy choice to make for Amare.

Amare STILL refuses to rebound, block out, or defend. I mean dam.

Bosh > Amare at this point. SMH at Amare.


Since the 2nd half of last year, Bosh has played way better than Amare has.

put Amare on that Team and he'd make Bosh look like Landry Fields. Poor analogy!


Bosh put up very good numbers in Toronto. It's not Lebron and Wade making him look good.

yeah, great player on a suck as steam....your still REALLY stretching to make a point and, once again did not discredit the point I made to you.

did he or did he not put better number than Amare last season (pre-playoffs). NO.

If Bosch is SO great, how come the Raptors sucked. How many times did they make the Playoff with Bosch. And if your going to bring up TORONTO Bosch, you have to bring up Suns Amare who, once again put up better numbers with more playoff appearances.


So he's a great player on a great team and a great player on a bad team...what was your point again?

wow, you quote my post in an attempt to discredit my point and now you want me to recap...your funny as hell Bonn.

It was a rhetorical question

so, once again, you quote to discredit my point then abandon the argument....good going

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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1/18/2012  4:03 PM
What's the question here? Is Bosh better than Amar'e?

Tough to say. There were points last year, when Bosh was crying, that I would tell you Amar'e, certainly; now this season I see Bosh spinning, slamming the **** out of the rock, and looking like an animal, and I compare that to Amar'e, and I would tell you Bosh.

I do wonder how Amar'e would pair with LeBron and Wade, two guys that can dish the rock and hit the open guy.

Given the previous sentence, I would say Amar'e would perform at least as well as Bosh in Miami.

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1/18/2012  4:20 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks gave him 100 million GUARANTEED to come here. Phoenix was only GUARANTEEing 60 million. Easy choice to make for Amare.

Amare STILL refuses to rebound, block out, or defend. I mean dam.

Bosh > Amare at this point. SMH at Amare.


Since the 2nd half of last year, Bosh has played way better than Amare has.

put Amare on that Team and he'd make Bosh look like Landry Fields. Poor analogy!


Bosh put up very good numbers in Toronto. It's not Lebron and Wade making him look good.

yeah, great player on a suck as steam....your still REALLY stretching to make a point and, once again did not discredit the point I made to you.

did he or did he not put better number than Amare last season (pre-playoffs). NO.

If Bosch is SO great, how come the Raptors sucked. How many times did they make the Playoff with Bosch. And if your going to bring up TORONTO Bosch, you have to bring up Suns Amare who, once again put up better numbers with more playoff appearances.


So he's a great player on a great team and a great player on a bad team...what was your point again?

wow, you quote my post in an attempt to discredit my point and now you want me to recap...your funny as hell Bonn.

It was a rhetorical question

so, once again, you quote to discredit my point then abandon the argument....good going


Bosh has played like an all-star on both bad and great teams and is playing much better than Amare. What's there left to argue?
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1/18/2012  4:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2012  4:23 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks gave him 100 million GUARANTEED to come here. Phoenix was only GUARANTEEing 60 million. Easy choice to make for Amare.

Amare STILL refuses to rebound, block out, or defend. I mean dam.

Bosh > Amare at this point. SMH at Amare.


Since the 2nd half of last year, Bosh has played way better than Amare has.

put Amare on that Team and he'd make Bosh look like Landry Fields. Poor analogy!


Bosh put up very good numbers in Toronto. It's not Lebron and Wade making him look good.

yeah, great player on a suck as steam....your still REALLY stretching to make a point and, once again did not discredit the point I made to you.

did he or did he not put better number than Amare last season (pre-playoffs). NO.

If Bosch is SO great, how come the Raptors sucked. How many times did they make the Playoff with Bosch. And if your going to bring up TORONTO Bosch, you have to bring up Suns Amare who, once again put up better numbers with more playoff appearances.


So he's a great player on a great team and a great player on a bad team...what was your point again?

wow, you quote my post in an attempt to discredit my point and now you want me to recap...your funny as hell Bonn.

It was a rhetorical question

so, once again, you quote to discredit my point then abandon the argument....good going


Bosh has played like an all-star on both bad and great teams and is playing much better than Amare. What's there left to argue?

takes two to argue and debate and you only want to drop your little statements then disappear. Its your MO I realize, not the first time you've done it and it's all good.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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1/18/2012  4:24 PM
stop quoting
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1/18/2012  4:24 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Knicks gave him 100 million GUARANTEED to come here. Phoenix was only GUARANTEEing 60 million. Easy choice to make for Amare.

Amare STILL refuses to rebound, block out, or defend. I mean dam.

Bosh > Amare at this point. SMH at Amare.


Since the 2nd half of last year, Bosh has played way better than Amare has.

put Amare on that Team and he'd make Bosh look like Landry Fields. Poor analogy!


Bosh put up very good numbers in Toronto. It's not Lebron and Wade making him look good.

yeah, great player on a suck as steam....your still REALLY stretching to make a point and, once again did not discredit the point I made to you.

did he or did he not put better number than Amare last season (pre-playoffs). NO.

If Bosch is SO great, how come the Raptors sucked. How many times did they make the Playoff with Bosch. And if your going to bring up TORONTO Bosch, you have to bring up Suns Amare who, once again put up better numbers with more playoff appearances.


So he's a great player on a great team and a great player on a bad team...what was your point again?

wow, you quote my post in an attempt to discredit my point and now you want me to recap...your funny as hell Bonn.

It was a rhetorical question

so, once again, you quote to discredit my point then abandon the argument....good going


Bosh has played like an all-star on both bad and great teams and is playing much better than Amare. What's there left to argue?

takes two to argue and debate and you only want to drop your little statements then disappear. Its your MO I realize, not the first time you've done it and it's all good.


If someone posts evidence that my reasoning is wrong, I will respond to and debate it in detail. Otherwise, it is not worth my time.
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1/18/2012  4:26 PM
then maybe you shouldn't quote and try to discredit someones point if, your not going to respond to their rebuttal??
the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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1/18/2012  4:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2012  4:31 PM
no response is needed. subjectivity aside, despite Amare being such an intimidating dunker once you give him a point guard and adequate spacing (which is what I gathered from your rant), he is useless without his scoring. bosh is obviously the better player.

and until I witness Amare make strides in his defense with my own eyes, I am going to assume that he is incurable

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1/18/2012  5:08 PM
DurzoBlint wrote:then maybe you shouldn't quote and try to discredit someones point if, your not going to respond to their rebuttal??

There was no rebuttal
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1/18/2012  5:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/18/2012  5:19 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:then maybe you shouldn't quote and try to discredit someones point if, your not going to respond to their rebuttal??

There was no rebuttal

you stick with that story....I have lost interest

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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