Imam may one day grow into that spot but for now we are starving for a 2guard in the worst way.

colombian0725 wrote:If I'm LA I'd keep Bynum. This guy is playing great right now. Your risking depleting your roster when you have the 2nd best center in the NBA behind the guy they would be trading for. Similar Numbers. 18/15. So what team has the best package? We offer Amare/Fields/TD + Cash money?
If LA really wants Howard I think Bynum and fill in players might be the best offer on the table. After that it leaves us being the 2nd best offer.

Getting Howard would feel cheap to me if we got him, even if it led to a championship.

But in all honesty, if he's getting traded are you gonna go get a guy like Bynum who, like you note, is playing like a beast or are you gonna trade for an uninsured contract of Amare who has more wear and tear? I realize more players would be included, but these two would be the centerpieces.

If Bynum keeps this up and Orlando starts to sweat, LA may not even need to give up Gasol and instead could toss in a 1st rounder for this deep draft. Do they have their 2012 1st?

What the Knicks should be doing is adding to their bench. I have seen a pretty limited offense thus far, but we are gonna trade for guy, albeit a superstar, with limited offensive ability? And some think Melo is a ball stopper now... I can't even imagine the **** we'd all witness.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Amare was the one that announced "The Knicks are Back" and he backed up that claim. He even holds the Knicks record for most consecutive 30 point games (Eight Games all Victories). Amare was arguably the MVP of the league the first half of last season. He was the major reason players like Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul would even consider the Big Apple. And playoffs...forget about it, it's not even close:

Dwight Howard

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howardw01.html#playoffs::none

Amare Stoudemire

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stoudam01.html#playoffs::none

Amare beasts in the playoffs unlike Dwight. Did you not see Amare posterize KG and Baby in the Celtics series before he got hurt. You might want to ask Tim Duncan about Amare...Dude absolutely annihilated the Spurs over the years minus a Robert Horry shove to Steve Nash in the WCF.

Well we do agree on it no being close!

Exactly. Dwight hasn't performed, as well as, Amare in the playoffs. Best performance from Howard was last years playoffs when he got trounced in the first round by Atlanta. Amare is a proven playoff performer.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:The year they went to the Finals Dwight dropped 20/15 with three blocks at 60%fg. And he was 23 years old. His career playoff averages are about that, too, compared with Amar'e's 23/9.

I don't see a problem here.

Hedo had a bomb-diggity run because of Dwight, where the guys around Amar'e in Phoenix dropped digits despite Amar'e.

If Hedo dropped acid and followed this with some fat blunts he could still not imagine playing on Melo's level. Dwight has never played with a top player like Melo.

Nalod, the question isn't is Dwight/Hedo better than Tyson/Amar'e, it's 'is Dwight/Melo better than Amar'e/Melo?', and this answer is unequivocally in the affirmative. They would play off each other like smooth butters.

Dwight/Melo is better than Amar'e/Melo. There's no question about that. Even taking Hedo and giving up Chandler in the deal is a good idea as long as New York isn't giving up too much in addition to that because Hedo would be an excellent player off the bench who could reduce Melo's minutes. However, his contract sucks and at the Power Forward position you'd be playing a rotation of Jorts (although his game probably compliments Howards), Jeffries and Jerome Jordan. If you're talking about letting go of Iman, Douglas and Fields in addition to Chandler and Amare AND taking on Turk, that doesn't seem worth it. However, I believe that Chandler can't be traded until July because New York signed him as a free agent this offseason.

That being said, price is always a factor when talking trades, especially with a team with the extremely limited resources to retool again like the Knicks have. I was going to play with the trade machine to see what would work but it's down.

I can say that the ideal scenario for the Knicks would be to trade Stat straight-up for Howard. With Brook Lopez breaking his foot this could work if the Knicks made the deal without any assurance at all that Howard would sign. It's not realistic, but you could pitch Orlando by telling them you're taking the headache off their hands, and then Howard either signs or leaves a ton of cap space for New York to spend.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

MS wrote:Dwight > Amare and Chandler
Let's go over this for the slow people.

Amare Chandler 33pts 17.5rbs 2.4blks
Dwight Howard 18.6pts 14.6rbs 2.8blocks

Keep these numbers in mind
Stat 7 games played (122 shots) (52fts)
Dwight 9 games played (110 shots) (82fts)

Boris Diaw with Amare guarding him (19pts, 10rbs 7ass - 27pts 6asst)
Boris Diaw in all other games (2pts, 10pts, 5pts, 0pts)

Again you build a team the right way. You do it with defense and mismatches. Tyson Chandler is an average big man, with average numbers and limited offensive skill. He's not effective when he has to play help defense.

And before someone tells me that the numbers above are greater so are the number of chandler, gallo, felton, moz, ar, first round picks and cash for a guy that is supposed to be elite. So elite that this team has lost to the warriors with curry, the lakers without bynum, blown out by the bobcats, embarrassed by the raptors, needs a 3 pointer with time running down vs the worst team in the league and barely beats the bobcats at home in a rematch. The Knicks were gifted a schedule. If you have two superstars you should be a lot better than 5-4 especially if you just signed an elite big man.

Holy crap!!!! What part of a 2 game pre season, limited to no practice and a crazy schedule is not understood? We finally have a team that is capable for contedning for a championship and most here want to blow up the damn team! 5-4 is not bad when considering we don't have our starting PG, didn't have our super rookie for 3 games and didn't have STAT for 2 games.

I'm telling you people have selective memories.

This is New York, you've gotta make it rain.

Same boat, the league is floating in. Howard also had two preseason games, he has garbage around him down there in Orlando, and they're 6-3 to our 5-4; roughly the same strength of schedule.

So this guy is making it happen with less around him.

MS brings strong points, but I take it one notch further: Dwight >> Amar'e-Tyson

Dwight >> Amar'e-Tyson? That's ridiculous. Ask anyone who knows basketball and they'll tell you no way do you trade those 2 for Howard!

6-3 vs 5-4 is a 1 game differnce. Also in 2 of those Amare didn't even play so what's the point?

You come with Hedo at the Four to make it rain, spread the floor, then back him up with Jorts to bang; Walker behind Melo, you keep Shump, got Baron, that's a team. In two years Hedo expires and you sign a winner, Dwight and Melo still with years on their deals: you're reigning champs for a few years; alternatively you dump Hedo as an expiring one year early and make it rain that much quicker.

Five Dwight
Four Hedo/Jorts
Three Melo/Walker
Two Shump/Douglas
One Baron/Whoever

There you go.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:This is New York, you've gotta make it rain.

You come with Hedo at the Four to make it rain, spread the floor, then back him up with Jorts to bang; Walker behind Melo, you keep Shump, got Baron, that's a team. In two years Hedo expires and you sign a winner, Dwight and Melo still with years on their deals: you're reigning champs for a few years; alternatively you dump Hedo as an expiring one year early and make it rain that much quicker.

Five Dwight
Four Hedo/Jorts
Three Melo/Walker
Two Shump/Douglas
One Baron/Whoever

There you go.

That's worse than the squad we have now.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:This is New York, you've gotta make it rain.

You come with Hedo at the Four to make it rain, spread the floor, then back him up with Jorts to bang; Walker behind Melo, you keep Shump, got Baron, that's a team. In two years Hedo expires and you sign a winner, Dwight and Melo still with years on their deals: you're reigning champs for a few years; alternatively you dump Hedo as an expiring one year early and make it rain that much quicker.

Five Dwight
Four Hedo/Jorts
Three Melo/Walker
Two Shump/Douglas
One Baron/Whoever

There you go.

That's worse than the squad we have now.

It might be, but I don't think it is.

The good stuff is in the combination of Melo and Dwight, their games complementing each other. Dwight will bang and then Melo can make it rain feeding off Dwight's interior dominance.

Dwight doesn't dominate like that offensively

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Amare melo Tyson Shump and a competent pg>>> Dwight, melo and competent pg IMO

You add Amare, Tyson, Shump, and a "competent" PG (no one's mentioned including Melo with Amare in a trade) to that NBDL roster in Orlando and you think they're winning 59 games like they have with Dwight? That roster here on the Knicks doesn't look like a 59 win team.

The roster they have now is not the roster that won 59 games. Also the east they played in to win 59 games is not the same east now. How did Orlando fair last year?

I don't think ORL will do Dwight for STAT w/o Tyson because our front office has history of caving in.