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The official F.U. Landry Fields thread
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CrushAlot
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1/7/2012  1:57 AM
I think the hope was that Fields and Rautins would be at best role players with lbj and another marquee free agent. His starting last year was a shock. Dudes around here went way overboard with expectations for him but as a second round pick not projected to be drafted he has already overcome a lot. He was a nice fit with the line up last year but he is not a true 2 and not a starter on most teams. I don't think that is his fault. My F.U. thread would be to the coach who locks in on character guys that don't need coaching or an authority figure to teach and guide them to achieve their potential. Fields is what he is. He has a role but he isn't a starter on most teams. He is a four year guy like a Harrellson who could come in and fit a role. He isn't an athletic freak that is really young and needs guidance. He was and is an easy fit.
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1/7/2012  7:02 AM
I prefer he get his confidence back regardless of whether he starts or not.

I like the kid and we need him to contribute. He is not getting many touches.

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1/7/2012  7:34 AM
I wonder if the Nuggets would do a trade of Landry for Wilson Chandler? If it looks like Chandler won't sign with them next year, and he's not getting back from China til March, maybe they's entertain a swap- I really don't see how they have room for him (their roster is stacked), plus I think Fields would return to his old self on that team- it's much better suited for him.

Is it possible for a team to trade a player who they have made a QO to, but hasn't yet accepted it?

If we could replace Fields with Chandler, then sign Kenyon Martin, it would really help our depth problem- plus MArtin has played with melo, and Chandler with Stat so hopefully that would allow them to settle in quicker.

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1/7/2012  9:04 AM
I think Landry earned himself bench duty here on out. Shawne Williams role is calling for him.
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1/7/2012  10:38 AM
Who takes his place until March?

And its not like Wilson steps off a slow boat from China and into the flow of the offense.

The team is very different from the one he played on.

Changes on paper are really cool but the reality is they disrupt too.

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1/7/2012  10:51 AM
misterearl wrote:Talent wins in the NBA.

Watching League Pass is instructive. From 5-12 the Knicks may have the least talent in the NBA.

Couldn't agree more. The depth is just terrible. I'm not sure guys like walker or Jeffries would be on any other teams rotation. And Douglas' role would be massively reduced coming off the bench and fields would come off the bench on almost every team in the league. Balkman and JH would never see the floor either(well, other teams do try to use more than 8 players the whole game lol)

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1/7/2012  11:41 AM
David Duval was a former world number one player on the golf tour, and the closest competitor to a young Tiger Woods. When Tiger started integrating weights into his work outs, David decided he needed to go in the same direction. Unfortunately David did a great deal of lifting which changed the balance of his body. He had other mental problems as well, but adjusting to his new thicker build was a reason for the falloff in his golf game.

Both Amare or Landry look like they have put a significant amount of extra weight on their frames. I suggest it is not a coincidence that both of them are having trouble early in the season, hitting their outside shots consistently. Some posters here to talk about long term adjustments concerning who should play and who shouldn't based on current data. The fact that so many scouts didn't think Landry had what it took to play in the NBA coming out of college is a clear indication that he is very strong mentally. I think the people writing him off presently, may be embarrassed later. Fortunately I think MDA knows how valuable Landry can be to the team, and I expect that he will continue to get minutes for the Knicks. Hopefully some time soon, he will become a valuable piece again.

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1/7/2012  11:52 AM
I think both of these players got feedback that they got pushed around a bit last season and wanted to make their bodies right (assuming they were going to stick with the same core).

In the case of Amar'e, he had no idea the Knicks would be trading for a top-5 center, so rightfully, he bulked up a bit to get his body ready for the physical toll of splitting minutes at the 4 and 5. As a result, he's probably carrying a bit too much extra weight - I'm a little surprised that his knee doctors didn't tell him that the bulk could impact his surgically repaired knees. Although alternatively, they could have told him to strengthen his legs so that the muscles would help take the brunt of wear and tear off the joint. (ie who knows)

Landry Fields came in knowing that he was going to spend the bulk of his minutes at the SG spot. Not sure why he got so big - but he's a young player, and he'll make adjustments physically. With the grueling schedule, I wouldn't be surprised that all of the players (especially Jorts!) look leaner as the second half of the season rolls around.

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1/7/2012  11:56 AM
raven wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Btw.....f.u. Landry hurt alot of you guys feelings. Stanford graduates? Fields family tree?

If i said "the official bench Landry fields thread" would we talk about something else. I feel you guys want to slap me just because I did that. Like you guys are really hurt by it.

If it makes anyone feel any better the f.u. stands for "feel up"....like Reggie Evans style. You are now free to walk about the country.

It hurts because it's plain stupid, insulting for a second round pick who tries to play the right way for a franchise that has sucked for ages.

Fields is not the problem, I'd dare to say he's the least of our problems right now.

So insult the guy with the lowest usage rate on the team, like some have done last year with Gallinari, making him a scapegoat while taking 5 shots in a game.
And go run after your next pipedream trade, to starphuck this franchise once more time, as it hasn't been done enough before.

Posts like this make me think knicks fans really deserve all the crap they got over the last few years.

Agree with this, Fields is going though a slump, yes. Now, if this was in a game thread said in the heat of the moment it would be different. And maybe Eny didn't mean it the way it sounded, but it did seem quite inappropriate.

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1/7/2012  12:48 PM
EnySpree wrote:I think Landry earned himself bench duty here on out. Shawne Williams role is calling for him.

Speaking of which, Shawne Williams is playing even worse than Fields! He's averaging 2.5 points on 24.3% FG, and 11.1% 3pt FG- he made a terrible mistake choosing the Nets over us- I understand his reasoning (an extra $1 mil), but he would have looked better on our team for a future contract.

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1/7/2012  1:04 PM
Amare did not get into the kind of shape because of his back.

Give it time.

Lando will thrive when the uptempo returns.

Keep on keeping on.........

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1/7/2012  1:09 PM
Thanks, I didn't notice that stat.

Frequently MDA's players play better on his team, then they do elsewhere. Also, I wonder if maybe Shawne feels a little guilty as the result of leaving the Knicks for the extra bucks? I also think it has a great deal to do with his agent, who is his advisor. If an agent can get an extra million dollars on a contract, that puts very significant additional dollars in the agent's pocket. Do you think that might affect what team they recommend that their players chose?

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1/7/2012  1:38 PM
rvwink wrote:Thanks, I didn't notice that stat.

Frequently MDA's players play better on his team, then they do elsewhere. Also, I wonder if maybe Shawne feels a little guilty as the result of leaving the Knicks for the extra bucks? I also think it has a great deal to do with his agent, who is his advisor. If an agent can get an extra million dollars on a contract, that puts very significant additional dollars in the agent's pocket. Do you think that might affect what team they recommend that their players chose?

Shawne was unemployed two years ago before Donnie Walsh gave him probably his last chance at making any NBA team. Of course if a NBA team us offering more money and security he's gonna take it. Why would he feel guilty?

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1/7/2012  9:21 PM
Shawne didn't do the traditional negotiation when the signings were about to start this fall. Instead of saying he wanted to find out what the market would offer, he revealed his strong desire to return to the Knicks. I believed him when he said that because the Knicks did give a shot to stay in the league, when other teams wouldn't.

When there is a clash between what you emotionally want to do and what makes pragmatic sense, very occasionally if players can economical afford it, they accept the lower salary, and follow their heart and not their wallet. I agree with you that Shawne couldn't afford that luxury. But in his heart, he really did want to pay back the Knicks for taking a chance on him. How else do you explain the huge drop in shooting percentage that he has experienced to date? Guilt was all I could come up with. He has an excellent point guard on the Nets so he should be getting good shots.

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1/7/2012  10:31 PM
Check out tonight's box score Enyspree. The player with highest +/- rating was surprisingly not Henry Bibby or Carmelo Anthony (+26) or Amare (+24) Some nobody named Landry Fields played 28 minutes and had 5 rebounds, 2 steals, 2 assists, and 8 points. Its not clear why he was +29 on the +/- rating.
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1/7/2012  10:44 PM
rvwink wrote:Check out tonight's box score Enyspree. The player with highest +/- rating was surprisingly not Henry Bibby or Carmelo Anthony (+26) or Amare (+24) Some nobody named Landry Fields played 28 minutes and had 5 rebounds, 2 steals, 2 assists, and 8 points. Its not clear why he was +29 on the +/- rating.

+ 2

Landry fills too many roles to consider cutting him off at the knees during the first 6 games of his sophomore season.

He is too much fun and too much a TEAM player.

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1/8/2012  8:39 AM
misterearl wrote:
rvwink wrote:Check out tonight's box score Enyspree. The player with highest +/- rating was surprisingly not Henry Bibby or Carmelo Anthony (+26) or Amare (+24) Some nobody named Landry Fields played 28 minutes and had 5 rebounds, 2 steals, 2 assists, and 8 points. Its not clear why he was +29 on the +/- rating.

+ 2

Landry fills too many roles to consider cutting him off at the knees during the first 6 games of his sophomore season.

He is too much fun and too much a TEAM player.


You guys want to feel emotionally connected with players and probably have a pet named lando or will strongly consider getting one.

I understand....


Btw Henry bibby hasn't played for the knicks in over 40 years

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1/8/2012  2:35 PM
Landry's intelligence and confidence allowed him to make a huge jump from a mediocre college team, to a starting rookie in the NBA. (Not only did he display enough confidence to play well, he also confident enough to be brilliant in a spontaneous video at Models.)

I believe Landry will keep improving and has a bright future for the Knicks. You apparently believe he has peaked and it would be best if we trade him. We'll see.

Meanwhile I will work to remember Mike Bibby, Mike Bibby, Mike Bibby.

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1/8/2012  3:38 PM
rvwink wrote:Landry's intelligence and confidence allowed him to make a huge jump from a mediocre college team, to a starting rookie in the NBA. (Not only did he display enough confidence to play well, he also confident enough to be brilliant in a spontaneous video at Models.)

I believe Landry will keep improving and has a bright future for the Knicks. You apparently believe he has peaked and it would be best if we trade him. We'll see.

Meanwhile I will work to remember Mike Bibby, Mike Bibby, Mike Bibby.


Keep improving? He's been regressing.
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1/8/2012  4:03 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
rvwink wrote:Landry's intelligence and confidence allowed him to make a huge jump from a mediocre college team, to a starting rookie in the NBA. (Not only did he display enough confidence to play well, he also confident enough to be brilliant in a spontaneous video at Models.)

I believe Landry will keep improving and has a bright future for the Knicks. You apparently believe he has peaked and it would be best if we trade him. We'll see.

Meanwhile I will work to remember Mike Bibby, Mike Bibby, Mike Bibby.


Keep improving? He's been regressing.

Landry is coming around to what he was before. It's coinciding with Shump playing the point. I think Landry needs a certain flow to the game that is missing when we don't have a PG that penetrates. When things breakdown, it creates situations for Landry to sneak in and do his thing. All those little things that he's good at. When it's a stalled ISO game he doesn't have the chaos that he needs to do his intangibles. Once his stroke comes back we'll see the full return of Landry from before the trade last year.

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