nixluva wrote:
I'm gonna side with Donnie and Mike who've seen this kid up close and in person. What are you basing your belief that Iman can't run some point?

i'm going by what i've seen on the court from him. he looks like a SG and plays like a SG. and donnie isn't here anymore, so what he says doesn't matter much does it? i liked donnie a lot (check my signature) but he's gone.

martin wrote:the one thing I am seeing in Shumpert that the Knicks clearly do not have: a guard who can break down his man and get into the teeth of the lane at will.

I think he'll look better in Woodson's offense than Pringle's. Man up on d, let Melo and Amar'e play the high and low posts, ping it up, defense react, Shump/Fields/TD/Shawne attack or pop a three... as opposed to get it to Melo or Amar'e/jack a three. Not to mention a slower pace lets him beat the other guy up on D

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

martin wrote:the one thing I am seeing in Shumpert that the Knicks clearly do not have: a guard who can break down his man and get into the teeth of the lane at will.

I think he'll look better in Woodson's offense than Pringle's. Man up on d, let Melo and Amar'e play the high and low posts, ping it up, defense react, Shump/Fields/TD/Shawne attack or pop a three... as opposed to get it to Melo or Amar'e/jack a three. Not to mention a slower pace lets him beat the other guy up on D

Woodson had an offensive scheme beyond "give it to JJ and watch"?

just fanning the flames

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

martin wrote:the one thing I am seeing in Shumpert that the Knicks clearly do not have: a guard who can break down his man and get into the teeth of the lane at will.

I think he'll look better in Woodson's offense than Pringle's. Man up on d, let Melo and Amar'e play the high and low posts, ping it up, defense react, Shump/Fields/TD/Shawne attack or pop a three... as opposed to get it to Melo or Amar'e/jack a three. Not to mention a slower pace lets him beat the other guy up on D

Woodson had an offensive scheme beyond "give it to JJ and watch"?

just fanning the flames

you big flamer

you're soooo naughty!

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:the one thing I am seeing in Shumpert that the Knicks clearly do not have: a guard who can break down his man and get into the teeth of the lane at will.

You could break down your defender and get into the teeth of the lane at will in these highlights. I love the Iman, but seriously, look at the defense.

We need to see the man playing against someone who will try to play D, at least half as aggressive as Iman does.

I don't need to see that. I really don't have a doubt that he's as agile, quick and explosive as he's shown himself to be in college, at the combine and in his workouts. If you have eyes you can see his quickness and smooth handle even without a tougher defender in front of him. Also let's be honest, there aren't that many really serious defensive players in the NBA anyway. I mean who is gonna really stop Rose, Wade or any other top guard when they want to get off? What you want is a player that gives max effort on D and helps the TEAM defensive concept work. It takes a TEAM to stop the best scorers in the NBA. I don't see Iman being any different.

It's not like he was being stopped in College and couldn't score. He got to the line at a good clip too. Even those who bash his passing have to understand that his role changed. He started off avg'ing 5 asts a game and that number went down as he was playing more as a scorer.

IMAN SHUMPERT STATS	 	                     Reb	 	                     Pts
Statistics	G	FG%	3P%	FT%	 Tot.	Avg.	 Asst	Bl	St	 Tot.	Avg.	 
2010-2011	31	40.6	27.8	80.6	 184	5.9	 3.5	0.2	2.7	 537	17.3	 
2009-2010	30	38.5	33.3	72.0	 108	3.6	 4.0	0.2	1.9	 299	10.0	 
2008-2009	31	39.1	31.4	65.6	 121	3.9	 5.0	0.2	2.1	 330	10.6	 
Career	        92	39.6	30.5	73.8	 413	4.5	 4.2	0.2	2.3	 1166	12.7	

CrushAlot wrote:Summer leagues generally favor guards and swing men. Some guys at impact are putting up amazing numbers. What I take away from this is that Shumpert is and has been working on his game and that Billups recognizes his talent and teachability. Every time I see Iman interviewed I am impressed.

Let me tell you all what I believe it the biggest difference between Iman and most of the guys we have seen come in with lot's of hype. Iman already has a mid-range game!!! That's a huge development for a guard. He's 6-6 with a strong and athletic body, but more important he can pull up and get's great elevation on his shot. It's a weapon that usually helps players to be able to be effective even against good defensive teams. So what you have is a player that can get to the hole and finish, with power but can also pull up and hit a mid-range jumper. That's what I see in this kid. I could be wrong, but I was ecstatic when we took him cuz I felt he had a lot of potential to be really good.

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