islesfan wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:It's a decent pick at this spot in a pretty seemingly unspectacular draft. If he can just be an average distributor who isn't a complete liability on offense he'll be serviceable to us for sure.

He's better than you realize. Lots of young PG's that have to take on more of the scoring load for their teams have problems going from primary scorer to facilitator. He'll have a lot of the pressure off of him in terms of scoring and he can learn how to attack a defense better from MDA. Remember Felton wasn't a good passing PG and he came here and put up 9 assists.

Raymond Felton's Draft Profile:

Blazing speed and excellent court vision are Felton's best attributes. He's absolutely terrific in the open court and loves to push the ball up the floor. He's built like a quarterback and plays like it on the floor -- directing traffic, making pinpoint passes and weaving through the defense to get to the basket.

Wrong again. It's hard to find a successful NBA guard with no offensive skill other than free throw shooting, to compare Shumpert to.

I think guys like Larry Hughes and Bob Sura, http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/6816, are good comparisons to Shumpert. Those guys were good athletes with solid ball handling skills and tools to become great defenders. Sura managed to become a serviceable point guard later in his career, but he was mostly a two-guard. I though of Sura because his shooting percentages also sucked during his last year in college, just like Shumpert's.

I'm not completely sold on Shumpert, but I don't disregard his ability to contribute either. I will say this, tho. The kid doesn't look like he's an NBA point guard yet. He's a shooting guard with a good handle.

Vmart wrote:If Iman shoots it at a 40% clip I can't see him getting to much time on the floor no matter how good he might be defensively.

nixluva wrote:

Vmart wrote:If Iman shoots it at a 40% clip I can't see him getting to much time on the floor no matter how good he might be defensively.

Like I said if he shot poorly like that in his workouts the Knicks wouldn't have been so high on him. Donnie said he can shoot and that his shot isn't broken. He just suffered from Jamal Crawford disease. POOR SHOT SELECTION. He was just throwing up shots and that I think has to do with poor coaching too. They're gonna correct a lot of that. Donnie said they're gonna get started right away.

Shooting in workouts and in game shooting are different my friend.

fishmike wrote:

islesfan wrote:What does this project offer on the offensive side? Seriously.

who was the clearly better player on the board? Seriously.

Seriously, Singleton and Brooks would both be much better picks.

nixluva wrote:

TymeLessKnicks wrote:PG at 17? ...Donnie knows best. I actually like this pick. Seems like a good kid (humble) and perimeter defense was also a need.

You can see his focus and intensity while training in the video below. He was clearly the best in this drill.

PS. Moved to Stockholm, any Knick fans over here?

Glad you posted this vid. I saw this a while back and couldn't remember where it was. This is a perfect example of this kids lateral quickness. This video blew me away when I 1st saw it.

hell yeah..

islesfan wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

That was a fair scouting report. Absolutely can help with perimeter defense. Offensively he's shockingly bad. He wasn't just missing his medium range jumpers, he was missing badly. There is zero reason to believe that this guy can run an offense or be a shooting guard.

Exaggerate much? Shumpert put up 17 pts, 6 rbs, 4 ast, and 3 stls last year. His numbers are better than Iggy's at Arizona and compare favorably to Sprewells stats at Alabama. Spree did shoot a beter %, but Spree was more a finisher on a very good Alabama team.

Balkman is shockingly bad on offense. Jeffries is shockingly bad. Not this kid. Great finisher above the rim in transition, decent passer, acrobatic around the rim, and can hit a spot up shot. His problem last yr was shot-selection which shouldn't be much of a problem with Melo and Stat chucking most of the shots. Dude almost had a quadruple-double in a game last year (did post a triple-double)

BigDaddyG wrote:

islesfan wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:It's a decent pick at this spot in a pretty seemingly unspectacular draft. If he can just be an average distributor who isn't a complete liability on offense he'll be serviceable to us for sure.

He's better than you realize. Lots of young PG's that have to take on more of the scoring load for their teams have problems going from primary scorer to facilitator. He'll have a lot of the pressure off of him in terms of scoring and he can learn how to attack a defense better from MDA. Remember Felton wasn't a good passing PG and he came here and put up 9 assists.

Raymond Felton's Draft Profile:

Blazing speed and excellent court vision are Felton's best attributes. He's absolutely terrific in the open court and loves to push the ball up the floor. He's built like a quarterback and plays like it on the floor -- directing traffic, making pinpoint passes and weaving through the defense to get to the basket.

Wrong again. It's hard to find a successful NBA guard with no offensive skill other than free throw shooting, to compare Shumpert to.

I think guys like Larry Hughes and Bob Sura, http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/6816, are good comparisons to Shumpert. Those guys were good athletes with solid ball handling skills and tools to become great defenders. Sura managed to become a serviceable point guard later in his career, but he was mostly a two-guard. I though of Sura because his shooting percentages also sucked during his last year in college, just like Shumpert's.

I'm not completely sold on Shumpert, but I don't disregard his ability to contribute either. I will say this, tho. The kid doesn't look like he's an NBA point guard yet. He's a shooting guard with a good handle.

Bob Sura and Larry Hughes? These guys were a buck 90 entering the draft. Shumpert is far superior pyhsically now, than they were as 5-7 year vets. I do agree that Shumpert is a 2 guard.

Uptown wrote:

nixluva wrote:

islesfan wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:It's a decent pick at this spot in a pretty seemingly unspectacular draft. If he can just be an average distributor who isn't a complete liability on offense he'll be serviceable to us for sure.

He's better than you realize. Lots of young PG's that have to take on more of the scoring load for their teams have problems going from primary scorer to facilitator. He'll have a lot of the pressure off of him in terms of scoring and he can learn how to attack a defense better from MDA. Remember Felton wasn't a good passing PG and he came here and put up 9 assists.

Raymond Felton's Draft Profile:

Blazing speed and excellent court vision are Felton's best attributes. He's absolutely terrific in the open court and loves to push the ball up the floor. He's built like a quarterback and plays like it on the floor -- directing traffic, making pinpoint passes and weaving through the defense to get to the basket.

Wrong again. It's hard to find a successful NBA guard with no offensive skill other than free throw shooting, to compare Shumpert to.

You keep going to scouting reports and i'm telling you that Westbrook was no JOhn Stockton and still isn't. Felton came to us a poor assist guy for his career. I don't care what the scouting reports said. I'm saying that in the NBA neither guy was all that amazing as a pure passer. Felton improved once he got here. He still wasn't great, but he got better. I think this kid needs the kind of insight and system that we have so he can use the talents he has and learn the game. Even when Nash came out of college he wasn't known as a great passer. He was more of a scorer and got progressively better as a passer and floor leader. Westbrook is still playing selfish ball.

Nix, you make some good points but you are using the wrong players to compare Shumper to. Felton and Westbrook are poor comparisons. Shumpert is far superior physically than these guys and is more a combo guard than Felton who is a pg. I compare Shumpert to guys like Iggy, Sprewell, or even someone like Hughes who played some point but was really a 2. But again, Shumpert is a better athlete than all of the above mentioned.

I wouldn't go as far as a better athlete then spree..buy is a heck of an athlete

martin wrote:Strange to me to see posters who are first to complain about MDA not being defensive enough are the same who are also complaining about the Iman pick.

I want to say that adding the reason that you don't like the pick because MDA will have this kid in the doghouse is using MDA as a prop for not liking the pick instead of looking at the player himself.

The Knicks need defensive players. Getting a starter at #17 is an iffy situation at best for any team. And with CP3 on the horizon, Iman will probably be coming off bench anyway, and then the Knicks got either a long-term project at PG/SG and a right now defender at those positions for a long time.

I would rather have this pick over someone like Jimmer almost all day long with Melo and Amare on the team. I want to say that the 1 thing NBA players gain after they get into the league is shooting; defense is probably the last.

You know what else is difficult to gain after players get into the league? Ridiculous, X-Men-like athletic ability, which by all accounts, this dude has.

Gymkata wrote:

martin wrote:Strange to me to see posters who are first to complain about MDA not being defensive enough are the same who are also complaining about the Iman pick.

I want to say that adding the reason that you don't like the pick because MDA will have this kid in the doghouse is using MDA as a prop for not liking the pick instead of looking at the player himself.

The Knicks need defensive players. Getting a starter at #17 is an iffy situation at best for any team. And with CP3 on the horizon, Iman will probably be coming off bench anyway, and then the Knicks got either a long-term project at PG/SG and a right now defender at those positions for a long time.

I would rather have this pick over someone like Jimmer almost all day long with Melo and Amare on the team. I want to say that the 1 thing NBA players gain after they get into the league is shooting; defense is probably the last.

You know what else is difficult to gain after players get into the league? Ridiculous, X-Men-like athletic ability, which by all accounts, this dude has.

noted. I was about to add that.