Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

TMS wrote:

holfresh wrote:Does anyone have a link to Melo's post game interview...I saw it and he never said anything close to what is being suggested...1050ESPN radio just played Melo's post game interview and he is being ridiculed by SAS and Don La Greca for making excuses for the way the Knicks played defense...

http://knicksnow.com/posts/1148-postgame-carmelo-anthony

Thanks TMS...How is this interview in any way close to what this thread has suggested Carmelo is saying...Where is Camelo taking a shot at MDA...Saying they didn't make adjustments to Hansbrough???..How is it not interpreted that the players didn't make adjustments...

Its not a shot, but the people who were against the trade have used this an opportunity to overstate what Melo said so they can jump on the "I told you so," Bandwagon. When Melo first arrived, people were calling him a loser who hasn't won anyting. After a few games he was a 'selfish chucker' and a 'ball stopper' and now his resent comments have been twisted to the point where people are now calling Melo 'a cancer, a diva, and Melobury?' Really?

After years of being left at the alter, we finally have a guy that legitimately wanted to be in NY. Forced his way here. Instead of embracing our best SF since Bernard, people take their angst out on him all because we gave up a bunch of players that had some potential, a bunch of maybe's and lots of hope-so's. This is unreal to me. It will ony get worse from here. Brace yourselves....

lmao @ the Starbury comparisons... people have gone off the deep end.

TMS wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:Sounds like some of the star struck Melophant crowd is sweating a bit and scrambling about to find reasons for why the Melo/Amare/Billups triad has not just overwhelmed opponents by the sheer force of their respective reputations and star power.

...And as usual, it is always easier to go after the coach

Anthony has not earned the right, through his defense as a Knick, or his history of less than enthusiastic D with the Nuggets, to make comments about defensive strategy, IMO.

I'll listen if Billups says something, not Anthony.

wow, i thought u were one of the more reasonable posters to be able to debate around here... "Melophant crowd"? are you falling in line with the same crowd that doubted the Melo trade & now wants instantaneous championship results after a week & a half & a handful of practice time? not even 1 playoff game played yet & we're already scrambling about to apply bandaids to try & salvage something out of this mess? lol.

I was against the trade, but would love to be proven wrong about it. Unfortunately I see things which really scare me about where we are now and where we are going.

I had feelings invested in the guys we traded... and I've never really liked Anthony that much as a player.

I'm in a position where I have to root for a guy I don't care much for, who basically put us into this position because of his and Dolan's greed. Walsh worked too hard to deserve a trade he was probably pushed into by Dolan.

You can't go after the skeptical posters without also mentioning that there were guys who went crazy over a bloody victory against the mighty Milwaukee Bucks.

Hell, I didn't expect an instantaneous championship, because I felt that the trade might be a step back. I'm now in a position where I have to hope that I was wrong about the trade... which is very strange, when you think about it.

Paladin55 wrote:

TMS wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:Sounds like some of the star struck Melophant crowd is sweating a bit and scrambling about to find reasons for why the Melo/Amare/Billups triad has not just overwhelmed opponents by the sheer force of their respective reputations and star power.

...And as usual, it is always easier to go after the coach

Anthony has not earned the right, through his defense as a Knick, or his history of less than enthusiastic D with the Nuggets, to make comments about defensive strategy, IMO.

I'll listen if Billups says something, not Anthony.

wow, i thought u were one of the more reasonable posters to be able to debate around here... "Melophant crowd"? are you falling in line with the same crowd that doubted the Melo trade & now wants instantaneous championship results after a week & a half & a handful of practice time? not even 1 playoff game played yet & we're already scrambling about to apply bandaids to try & salvage something out of this mess? lol.

I've turned. Just a word play on sycophant. I have to come up with catch phrases.

I was against the trade, but would love to be proven wrong about it. Unfortunately I see things which really scare me about where we are now and where we are going.

I had feelings invested in the guys we traded... and I've never really liked Anthony that much as a player.

I'm in a position where I have to root for a guy I don't care much for, who basically put us into this position because of his and Dolan's greed. Walsh worked too hard to deserve a trade he was probably pushed into by Dolan.

You can't go after the skeptical posters without also mentioning that there were guys who went crazy over a bloody victory against the mighty Milwaukee Bucks.

Hell, I didn't expect an instantaneous championship, because I felt that the trade might be a step back. I'm now in a position where I have to hope that I was wrong about the trade... which is very strange, when you think about it.

i can understand why some guys don't care for Melo's iso-style play & lackadaisical D, he's not exactly my #1 favorite player in the NBA but i do recognize the guy's got tremendous talent in my view he's a top 10 talent & i think he can be a big help to this franchise... we needed a big shot maker that could close out games i think Melo & also Chauncey gives us 2 of the best... i just didn't see any of the guys we gave up in that trade being as impactful potentially as Melo & Chauncey would be, for me it has nothing to do with sentimentality i just care about how the trade will impact our ability to win big games in the postseason... the jury is still out on how these guys will be able to gel but i hold to my belief that Melo & Stat's talents as basketball players will be able to win out & they'll figure out each others' tendencies & how they can coexist... like Walt Frazier says in a lot of his in game commentary when the Knicks went out & got Earl the Pearl a lot of people didn't think 2 guys like that could do well together but they got along great & elevated the level of each others' play, i think Melo & Stat can do the same for one another too but it's not gonna happen in the span of 2 weeks... i saw some good chemistry beginning to form between those 2 at certain points of some of the games they won... i find it hard to believe that even the Melo detractors didn't get excited about that win vs. the Heat they played some of the best defense they'd played all year... it's clear this team has it in them to play D the question is why can't they can't get up to play these crappy teams like the Cavs & Pacers, to me that's a mental problem more than a talent one, maybe they think now they have too much talent to take these lesser teams too seriously, who the hell knows what the problem is... i personally often times put the onus on the coaching because i don't see a lack of talent as being the issue anymore... trust me i am also hoping you are wrong about the trade. ;) we'll see what happens when the playoffs come around.

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

People are trying to start stuff about Melo. They want to see him fail in New York. Give the man a break. It takes 5 guys to play on a team.

Heck, based on what I've read around here I was under the impression that it took only 3...

Bonn1997 wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Y'know that Melo character not a winner and just likes to whine. DIdn't Amare once complain about MDAs defensive coaching? He's just a little bitch who whines because he's uncoachable and all me first. The problem is the othe other players look up to them and so they all refuse to play the great MDA defensive strategy. MDA tried to make adjustments but they told him to fuk off.

This is complete BS. Melo is NOT the problem.

He was the problem on his last team. Subtracting him and merely adding a bunch of role players has that team playing outstanding basketball.

All players are role players.

The five who fit best win.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Maybe Melo is used to being on a team where adjustments are made on defense in resonse to how an opponent played. Maybe he is used to working on that sort of thing in practice. Maybe George Karl and the Nuggets employ scouts. Things are different in NY but he doesn't have to worry. Once D'Antoni gets his guys, has guys on his roster that can play his system, has enough time for his team to gel, his team will be great. However the Knicks are 230 games into this and nothing during his tenure here has shown me that he is a winner or can win in NY (unless you include his assistant olympic coach status and his ability to lure big name free agents other than Amare who reports are now saying had to be convinced to play for D'Antoni again by Isiah).

you got to be kidding with this crap

This is the kind of thing that inspires me to stop posting here. Not the opinion. But the way it's expressed. You referenced George Karl.

Here are some tidbits from a recent SI piece on how Karl feels post Melo:

To say that Karl did not like Anthony is far too first grade. Rather, he did not like what the Nuggets had become with Anthony, a symbol of much that ails the modern NBA: passive on defense and predictable on offense, with endless isolation plays for a disgruntled superstar whose teammates stand on the fringe and wonder what they could accomplish if given the chance. "Do you like watching that kind of basketball?" Karl says. "I don't either."

He is challenging the widely held belief that an NBA team stocked with solid talent can't beat one with a couple of stars. "Why can't we?" Karl asks. "Why can't we get creative? Why can't we have more passing, more movement, more guys with the ball, better defense, better spacing?"

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1182973/1/index.htm#ixzz1Go7MUiJ6

here's another piece on Karl, Melo, defense:

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/25/george-karl-calls-carmelo-bad-at-defense-carmelo-is-unhappy/
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I'm not saying Melo is a terrible player but I don't understand how someone can think that our terrible defense the last 2 games has nothing to do with him.

That's the crazy part. Slam MDA for his defense but slam the players too. This is just getting crazy.

it's very easy to be critical of a player once he forces his way out of your organization... i find it hard to believe George Karl had any problem with 3 straight 50+ win seasons with Melo as his best player... not sure what the revelation is about Carmelo's defense anyway, it's not a newsflash that he was a weak defensive player even his biggest supporters acknowledged this fact a long time ago, but he has shown the ability to defend at times he played Kobe Bryant pretty tough in the WCF i don't think anyone on this board had anything negative to say about him back then i find it funny the selective memory that's going on from some of the posters around here.

I just referenced Karl because Crushalot referenced him as a contrast to D'antoni.Yeah it's def not a newsflash that Carmelo is either a weak or indifferent defensive player. He jogs back a lot on defense. That's just a fact.

Amare can't really guard anyone down low. He gets some stupid fouls early in games from reaching vs. moving his feet and getting good position. He plays like a 12 year old girl when he has foul trouble. The fact that he's playing against 7'1" guys exacerbates that. But it also helps him on the offensive end when he's being guarded by slower center types and blows right by them.

I have no problem admitting that MDA is obviously a much more offensive minded coach. He seems to have issues making adjustments during the game. What I don't get is why others attribute ALL of our defensive woes on MDA and NONE on Melo/Amare.. who are 2/5ths of the starting rotation.

I mean..there are people saying that MDA spends literally 0 time on defense at all. That's a little bit overboard and bordering on ridiculous no?

This is what kinda kills me. It's as ridiculous as people saying Melo = Marbury after how many games he's been here. How can you have any type of enjoyable, though provoking conversation when it's just people throwing out these sports radio type "This coach doesn't know ANYTHING about basketball" extreme black and white statements. I just don't see the answer to the Knicks defensive woes being as simple as everything is MDA's fault.

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Just to clarify, I did not contrast Karl to D'Antoni. What I said was that maybe he and the Nuggets employ scouts. D'Antoni and the Knicks do not. I also said that maybe he is used to playing on a team where they make defensive adjustments in practice. Anthony's quote was about the fact that they did not make adjustments for a team they had faced two days prior.

you know for a fact that they do not? LOL

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Just to clarify, I did not contrast Karl to D'Antoni. What I said was that maybe he and the Nuggets employ scouts. D'Antoni and the Knicks do not. I also said that maybe he is used to playing on a team where they make defensive adjustments in practice. Anthony's quote was about the fact that they did not make adjustments for a team they had faced two days prior.

you know for a fact that they do not? LOL

Actually I don't know that but I don't regard Karl as a defensive guru by any means.

No, that fact the Knicks and MDA do not employ scouts. You KNOW this?

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Just to clarify, I did not contrast Karl to D'Antoni. What I said was that maybe he and the Nuggets employ scouts. D'Antoni and the Knicks do not. I also said that maybe he is used to playing on a team where they make defensive adjustments in practice. Anthony's quote was about the fact that they did not make adjustments for a team they had faced two days prior.

you know for a fact that they do not? LOL

Actually I don't know that but I don't regard Karl as a defensive guru by any means.

No, that fact the Knicks and MDA do not employ scouts. You KNOW this?

I misunderstood. I know the Knicks don't employ scouts I thought you were referring to the Nuggets.

how do you know that?

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Just to clarify, I did not contrast Karl to D'Antoni. What I said was that maybe he and the Nuggets employ scouts. D'Antoni and the Knicks do not. I also said that maybe he is used to playing on a team where they make defensive adjustments in practice. Anthony's quote was about the fact that they did not make adjustments for a team they had faced two days prior.

you know for a fact that they do not? LOL

Actually I don't know that but I don't regard Karl as a defensive guru by any means.

No, that fact the Knicks and MDA do not employ scouts. You KNOW this?

I misunderstood. I know the Knicks don't employ scouts I thought you were referring to the Nuggets.

how do you know that?