BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:I have a problem with Mike Dantoni because of his inability to coach.

Just like Chauncey Billups is better than Steve Nash:) Nope wrong on both accounts. Knicks are mediocre--actually the team is not as good post trade. It was more of a team --does anyone think the Knicks as constituted could ever go 13-1 in any stretch? no way.

If melo didnt want to be a Knick unless ALL of his demands were met--we shouldve said FO. This has everything to do with money both for Dolan and melo. Melo is a brand and Dolan wanted to make sure he could provide a brand player who can keep us at a certain level so he could make ticket holders pay for his new renovations.

With Dolan its NOT about basketball--this was NOT a basketball trade--it was an insane trade. Why couldnt melo have waited like Bosh wade and LBJ?

Why is Denver playing better without melo? This stinks its a facade. yes we will win games yes we will kill some teams but overall its a very mediocre team. I do trust DW to fill in assets--that is if it snot IT--so its wait and see. But I would NOT have done this trade under the shotgun.

i'd rather you posted another one of your "I told you this would happen" threads than to try & hijack this one with something completely unrelated to the topic

Stop crying--i was on topic--you just choose to selectively read stuff par the course. You love to start with people for no reason--but thats just who you are.

i'm not crying i'm asking u to stay on topic... railing on once again for the 9000th time that the Melo trade made us worse on a thread about Mike D'Antoni's coaching philosophy has nothing to do with the topic being discussed... i don't go on the threads you create trying to derail the topic or to take personal digs at your posting style i'd appreciate u show me the same respect, but obviously u think u have free reign to derail topics to fit ur agenda that's just who you are.

franco12 wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:I have a problem with Mike Dantoni because of his inability to coach.

Just like Chauncey Billups is better than Steve Nash:) Nope wrong on both accounts. Knicks are mediocre--actually the team is not as good post trade. It was more of a team --does anyone think the Knicks as constituted could ever go 13-1 in any stretch? no way.

If melo didnt want to be a Knick unless ALL of his demands were met--we shouldve said FO. This has everything to do with money both for Dolan and melo. Melo is a brand and Dolan wanted to make sure he could provide a brand player who can keep us at a certain level so he could make ticket holders pay for his new renovations.

With Dolan its NOT about basketball--this was NOT a basketball trade--it was an insane trade. Why couldnt melo have waited like Bosh wade and LBJ?

Why is Denver playing better without melo? This stinks its a facade. yes we will win games yes we will kill some teams but overall its a very mediocre team. I do trust DW to fill in assets--that is if it snot IT--so its wait and see. But I would NOT have done this trade under the shotgun.

i'd rather you posted another one of your "I told you this would happen" threads than to try & hijack this one with something completely unrelated to the topic

Stop crying--i was on topic--you just choose to selectively read stuff par the course. You love to start with people for no reason--but thats just who you are.

i'm not crying i'm asking u to stay on topic... railing on once again for the 9000th time that the Melo trade made us worse on a thread about Mike D'Antoni's coaching philosophy has nothing to do with the topic being discussed... i don't go on the threads you create trying to derail the topic or to take personal digs at your posting style i'd appreciate u show me the same respect, but obviously u think u have free reign to derail topics to fit ur agenda that's just who you are.

Wow- I didn't know there were rules about staying on topic on bulletin boards. How many here have spiraled out of control- no, never seen that happen.

His point, and I kinda agree, is that this is less about the coach and more about how we're looking to build the team.

Melo is a great player, but after watching some of the games, if we were building towards a championship, then the old squad with less star power, and more balance, depth, potential and future flexibility- was probably the way to go.

Your right, the old team had size, diversity and depth. This team is top heavy and has no depth.

Nobody wants to talk about it because it makes you anti Melo or sour grapes, but the last team had more pressure to win than this one. This team has 2 stars and will sell out the arena and sell jerseys. It will make the playoff and win a playoff game or two when Melo/Stat combine for 70 points and everyone will talk about the excitement "being back."

Melo and Stat are bigtime players. Lets hope like hell getting them here is about winning and not just making the KNicks $$$. With Walsh unsigned and pretty limited future prospects that has yet to play out.

Like Lebron's long quest to move his talents bought incredible brand exposure so has the "MeloDrama" and the subequent exposure.

Knick broadcasts are up, therefore Revenue is up, and raising tix prices are in order.

the title "The reason why people have a problem with Mike D'Antoni has nothing to do with his inability to coach" is more about the starphucher mentality of some fans belief that all teams with lessor records should be victories and the better talent should win games.

Bottom line is the boring reality is the team took a few steps backwards with this trade but perhaps increased its potential ceiling by getting Melo but only if it can rebuild around him and AMare with cap space and the remaining assets to either develop or use as trade fodder.

The trade did leave us weaker depth but financially more attractive. The future is unknown as uncomfortable as that is for many of you to accept.

fishmike wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo Fever has little to do with actual baskeball.

Like Lebron's long quest to move his talents bought incredible brand exposure so has the "MeloDrama" and the subequent exposure.

Knick broadcasts are up, therefore Revenue is up, and raising tix prices are in order.

the title "The reason why people have a problem with Mike D'Antoni has nothing to do with his inability to coach" is more about the starphucher mentality of some fans belief that all teams with lessor records should be victories and the better talent should win games.

Bottom line is the boring reality is the team took a few steps backwards with this trade but perhaps increased its potential ceiling by getting Melo but only if it can rebuild around him and AMare with cap space and the remaining assets to either develop or use as trade fodder.

Phil Jax will be wooed next season after a 6 months off. Jax won't publicly consider it because he does not do it when a coach already is in place. Fear not, MDA will be properly run off and Jax will be Starphuched but not

I would welcome Jax here. You know why? When we dont defend and rebound posters around here can finally stop blaming the coach.

Role players are easy to get and stars arent. This is a stars league and stars win. Suggesting otherwise makes you a detractor. Nalod, you dont want to be a detractor do you?

I hit the button a bit early and did an edit on my post. Took the Phil Jax angle out. I am a huge fan of Phil and I am always blown away his 11 rings are dismissed by the "great player theory". True Jordan/Kobe are core greatness but his teams have been blessed with two great players but the rest of the teams really were role players. Don't get me wrong, this is not easy to duplicate because you can really only do it with a ball control alpha male in that role and Jordan was the greatest. Kobe is right behind. Only Lebron outside of Kobe has the physical ability to do this. He does not have the ice water in his veins. Amare is not a ball control player and Melo is the Alpha dude either.

"Stars Win" is very true. But what comes first? The star or the wins? We have stars, do we have a winning combination of stars? Stars need big Mofo's to rebound and make life easy for them.

Phil Jax did amazing work to extract the greatness out of Jordan and Kobe. Great coaches do this.

Olbrannon wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Once we decided to get Amare and Melo together on the same team, we will forever be known as a mediocre defensive team. I don't care who the coach is.

I agree. We will need to outscore everybody and their mother with Amare and Melo consisting of 2/3 of our frontline. We need a Camby like center that can rebound and erase all their mistakes. We also need a backcourt that can prevent dribble penetration. Until then, you can't blame the coach for what is happening.

The Knicks have 17 games to make this a well-round basketball outfit. Hansbrough played with more energy than the entire Knick roster. When asked if he could use a gritty big man like Hansbrough, D'Antoni said, "I think we have enough. We just need to play better."

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/knicks_fall_into_deep_boo_sea_RuTkUZAorAbf7Q2epFbfTJ#ixzz1GYl34Kzy

We don't need no 7 footer... not even a cameo from Sheldon Williams last game.

Everybody is bringing there best shot at the Knicks these days ...kind of like they do against the Heat

Jury is still out. M d'A will have the rest of the season and the playoffs.... at least

I am reminded of a sheet rock finisher holding a light up so he can see all the imperfections in the finished surface. The bright lights have a way of doing this for us.

Give me an honest answer.. is this team currently constructed to be successfull in the playoffs?

Childs2Dudley wrote:Hopefully Scott Skiles becomes available. With this offensive talent and his defensive philosophy we can be a very good team.

the bucks scored 56points last night. i think skiles is a pretty good coach, but i'm not sure this is the right place for him. i can't see guys like melo and amar'e listening to him and that's not to say just amar'e and melo, i can't see any superstars listening to him as a coach because he rides the team so much. if we make a coaching change, we need a guy like doc rivers in here.

with all that said, im still not lookign to make any changes at coach for this team, i'd like to give d'antoni more time with this team, especially after a full offseason and training camp, and see what he can do with them.

nyk4ever wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Hopefully Scott Skiles becomes available. With this offensive talent and his defensive philosophy we can be a very good team.

the bucks scored 56points last night. i think skiles is a pretty good coach, but i'm not sure this is the right place for him. i can't see guys like melo and amar'e listening to him and that's not to say just amar'e and melo, i can't see any superstars listening to him as a coach because he rides the team so much. if we make a coaching change, we need a guy like doc rivers in here.

with all that said, im still not lookign to make any changes at coach for this team, i'd like to give d'antoni more time with this team, especially after a full offseason and training camp, and see what he can do with them.

Offense won't be a problem, and Skiles is in his 3rd year with the Bucks and it's pretty obvious that the players are beginning to tune him out.

That's the problem with having a taskmaster of a coach. Players will stop listening after a certain time, unless the wins are piling up OR the coach has tenure (Sloan, Popovich, etc.). But even if Skiles only lasts 3 years with us, I'd much rather bring him in to instill some defensive intensity in Melo/Amar'e before they develop very bad habits under D'Antoni.

We've had 8-9 years now of player coaches. Coaches that don't hold their star players accountable for defense. Coaches that take a more relaxed approach to practice and game preparation. The only coach we've had that stressed defense since JVG was Larry Brown, but he was too agenda-driven in trying to force the GM's hand to make trades.

Even Amar'e, in his entire career, hasn't played under a true defensive coach. He's a been a pupil of D'Antoni for the majority of his career, and his lack of defensive awareness could be attributed to that. It's not like Amare's not a hard-worker. Anyone who gets to MSG early can see how much time Amar'e puts in working on his midrange and his overall offensive game. He keeps himself in shape better than any Knick in the past decade.

1. He does love the 3 and he does love small lineups. The only difference is now he is forced to play one after the trade.
2. He makes poor adjustments in game.
3. Our defensive rotations and boxing out suck and haven't improved one ioata in anyone over his tenure.
4. He is unable to motivate the team on a consistent basis

Our teams have changed but these things have remained constant, along with our coach.

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:MDA did win 60 games twice and an a average of 58 games a year in Phoenxi--that is a LOT of winning even some of the best coaches you can name havent won that much. Van Gundy Adelman--nope NONE.

Im sorry but this was a reclimation project he took over and its still not a good team. We have two very nice pieces but after that it gets sketchy.

MDA is proven to win with good players--that is an honest bottom line--you can agree or disagree but history does not lie.

yea.. people just like to say he doesnt coach D, doesnt play bigs and loves the 3. Forget about the facts. Funny how MDA's teams where better defensively than Gentry's.

We have two shiny stars that sell out the building and sell jerseys. Winning is now optional

Obviously Amar'e/Melo share the blame for not stepping up, especially after all their talk of "defense this, defense that." But I don't get why people are excusing D'Antoni here, when he has a reputation of not stressing defense, and in 3 years, has yet to provide any results proving otherwise.