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Is Anyone Else Having An Easier Time With Really LIKING Carmelo?
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3/9/2011  9:33 AM
knickstorrents wrote:My issue with Patrick was that I often felt he just wasn't as clutch the other marquis players of his day (Jordan is the obvious example, but Hakeem as well). However, his defense more than made up for it.

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3/9/2011  9:34 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:
misterearl wrote:Why the resentment over his paycheck?

It ain't your money.

If there was no cap no one would care. Obviously, paying someone a max slot means you have less resources to get other players.

I thought misterearl would have realized by now the ridiculousness of the "it aint your money" comment. He seemed to have (intelligently) abandoned using that comment after seeing how badly ignoring salary backfired over the past decade.

You talkin' to me?

Playing amateur GM (managing your "play-at-home" salary cap) and resenting a player (is Carmelo) for the size of his paycheck are two entirely different issues.

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3/9/2011  9:43 AM
misterearl wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:
misterearl wrote:Why the resentment over his paycheck?

It ain't your money.

If there was no cap no one would care. Obviously, paying someone a max slot means you have less resources to get other players.

I thought misterearl would have realized by now the ridiculousness of the "it aint your money" comment. He seemed to have (intelligently) abandoned using that comment after seeing how badly ignoring salary backfired over the past decade.

You talkin' to me?

Playing amateur GM (managing your "play-at-home" salary cap) and resenting a player (is Carmelo) for the size of his paycheck are two entirely different issues.

Hahaha! You're right; I should have just addressed it to you instead of saying "misterearl"!
In his reply, Knickstorrents was talking about the former (the salary cap), though, not resenting the player.

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3/9/2011  10:20 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/9/2011  10:24 AM
Knickstorrents - "Unless Carmelo gets his assists up, and his true shooting percentage up, and regular shooting percentage, I still don't think he's worth a max salary slot."

Bonn1997 - In my opinion, the thought that a player is not "worth" what he is being paid is a form of resentment. Sportswriters frequently use it as a hook to build a storyline about a player "under-performing" or "not living up to his potential". Pro athletes must be worth the money, otherwise the owner would not sign the paychecks to be in the game. Strange, when was the last owner of a pro franchise to go bankrupt?

Carmelo IS worth his max salary slot because that is what he is worth to the Knicks franchise, on and off the court. The suits knew they needed another prime attraction to fill seats in the new building that will be completed for the 2013-14 NBA season. Carmelo sells tickets. Ergo, he is worth every penny of his max salary slot.

How good is Carm on the basketball court? Good enough to allow the Knicks to get away with running a 4 on 5 offense on most nights. Hopefully, frontcourt reinforcements arrive this summer.

It's not personal. It's strictly business.

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3/9/2011  3:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/9/2011  3:55 PM
Sorry, I don't participate in profit sharing on the Knicks team with Jim Dolan. I only care if the team can win a championship. Maybe it was a good business decision to pay Melo the max, but I only care about wins and losses, and I think the money could have been better spent elsewhere (not even taking into account the players we had to give up)
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3/9/2011  3:49 PM
knickstorrents - count your blessings that the Knicks did not give Joe Johnson the max...

... and cross your fingers that Chancey Billups does not have any serious damage to his knee.

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3/9/2011  3:56 PM
Chauncey to me was the real prize of the trade... I hope he remains healthy and productive for us for a long time
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3/9/2011  6:01 PM
knickstorrents wrote:Chauncey to me was the real prize of the trade... I hope he remains healthy and productive for us for a long time

It would be nice if Chauncey is 100 per cent by the playoffs

Two more productive seasons in New York would be extra nice.

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3/9/2011  7:42 PM
knickstorrents wrote:Chauncey to me was the real prize of the trade... I hope he remains healthy and productive for us for a long time

Chauncey is only a prize because he came along with Carmelo. You guys kill me with the pot-shots and attempts to tear down the game of a perennial allstar. You guys dont like Carmelo, we get it and thats your right. But please dont try to insult the intelligence of anyone on this board by saying Billups is the real prize of the trade over Melo. Swing the same deal minus Melo and watch this team fall out of the playoff race.

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3/9/2011  9:30 PM
Definitely.
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3/9/2011  9:44 PM
Uptown wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:Chauncey to me was the real prize of the trade... I hope he remains healthy and productive for us for a long time

Chauncey is only a prize because he came along with Carmelo. You guys kill me with the pot-shots and attempts to tear down the game of a perennial allstar. You guys dont like Carmelo, we get it and thats your right. But please dont try to insult the intelligence of anyone on this board by saying Billups is the real prize of the trade over Melo. Swing the same deal minus Melo and watch this team fall out of the playoff race.

Uptown, it don't matter guys would rather stake their claim to their opinion that Melo's a 2nd tier star than give the man his just due even when he's having a monster game for us.

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3/9/2011  11:19 PM
Carmelo has it.

That thing that wins games.

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3/9/2011  11:49 PM
The Grin is back.............. Melo is home and the skys the limit!!!!
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3/10/2011  12:08 AM
There's only a handful of players in the league who can hit that shot with the type of defense that Tony Allen was playing and we have one of them and he's only 26 years old. I love'em.
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3/10/2011  12:17 AM
It takes the pressure off everyone else. STAT is still a threat so they can't leave him either. This is what you want. People complain about the 3's we take, but the fact that teams know we can hit them forces them to stay home. Melo one on one is a mismatch. We've been playing at near playoff intensity in some of these games. It's good practice for the postseason.
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3/10/2011  6:04 AM
VCoug wrote:There's only a handful of players in the league who can hit that shot with the type of defense that Tony Allen was playing and we have one of them and he's only 26 years old. I love'em.

in all seriousness . . . i think we have 3 of them.

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3/10/2011  6:52 AM
Anji wrote:The Grin is back.............. Melo is home and the skys the limit!!!!

I've been a skeptic but that win was great. I watched the game with a guy who grew up in Memphis; so it was a sweet win. Melo's body language still rubs me the wrong way but I'm warming up to him.
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3/10/2011  6:53 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Anji wrote:The Grin is back.............. Melo is home and the skys the limit!!!!

I've been a skeptic but that win was great. I watched the game with a guy who grew up in Memphis; so it was a sweet win. Melo's body language still rubs me the wrong way but I'm warming up to him.

you and mike breen gotta spend less time looking at melo's body.

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3/10/2011  6:57 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Anji wrote:The Grin is back.............. Melo is home and the skys the limit!!!!

I've been a skeptic but that win was great. I watched the game with a guy who grew up in Memphis; so it was a sweet win. Melo's body language still rubs me the wrong way but I'm warming up to him.

whoa!

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3/10/2011  7:10 AM
Marv wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Anji wrote:The Grin is back.............. Melo is home and the skys the limit!!!!

I've been a skeptic but that win was great. I watched the game with a guy who grew up in Memphis; so it was a sweet win. Melo's body language still rubs me the wrong way but I'm warming up to him.

whoa!


You're just jealous because I've seen more of his tattoos than you have!
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