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Vmart
Posts: 31800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/23/2002 Member: #247 USA |
3/6/2011 10:15 AM
John Thompson was watching the Knicks practice with Walsh. There was no better coach at getting his team to communicate on the defensive side of the ball. If the defense is having communication problems Thompson can definitely help the Knicks in this area.
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Uptown
Posts: 31323 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
3/6/2011 11:41 AM
Vmart wrote:John Thompson was watching the Knicks practice with Walsh. There was no better coach at getting his team to communicate on the defensive side of the ball. If the defense is having communication problems Thompson can definitely help the Knicks in this area. Where did you hear this? |
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
3/6/2011 3:13 PM
I found this part of an article on the Knicks D very telling:
As much as he's needed at the offensive end in getting the Amar'e Stoudemire-Carmelo Anthony pairing to work, the argument can be made that Billups is even more important to what the Knicks need to do on defense. Clearly with very little practice time it's hard to hammer things home, but Chauncey seems to be making it clear that the PLAYERS aren't doing what they've been instructed and he's not saying that those instructions aren't coming or aren't the right thing to do. He's talking about execution and effort. MDA many not have had great defensive teams in PHX, but they were good. He was never in the lower half of the league like this team has been. He's been putting in even more emphasis than ever so my feeling is that it's mostly on the players for the lack of commitment, which is in keeping with their reputations as players. Many of these guys don't have good reps as defenders. It's the players who must change from losing ways to giving max effort all the time and playing smart. INDIVIDUAL responsibility for playing hard on D and taking care of ones assignment is something each player must commit to. I find it hard to believe that with all the attention over the last few years, that Mike isn't driving home the importance of D. |
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42806 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
3/6/2011 3:20 PM
D'Antoni has enough time to get the team ready for the playoffs. I don't believe he needs another season to prove himself. I don't expect miracles. I do expect them to play hard on both ends of the court. Its not a question of how far they advance in the playoffs this season, its about D'Antoni getting the most out of his players. If he can't then its time to move on.
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
3/6/2011 3:37 PM
GustavBahler wrote:D'Antoni has enough time to get the team ready for the playoffs. I don't believe he needs another season to prove himself. I don't expect miracles. I do expect them to play hard on both ends of the court. Its not a question of how far they advance in the playoffs this season, its about D'Antoni getting the most out of his players. If he can't then its time to move on. You make it sound like it's a lot of time, but in reality it's not. I think he should be able to do it too, but it's really tight. We can't afford anymore injuries to key players or any other setbacks. There's not enough time. Everything has to go fairly smoothly once Billups is healthy. That in itself is a setback, cuz we lose precious practice and playing time he needs to learn his team. This is why I think Mike gets full training camp no matter what happens in the playoffs. It would be the only fair way to evaluate what he can do with this team. He'd have time to rework the offense to perfectly fit his new team and to install the way he wants the team to play. |
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42806 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
3/6/2011 3:59 PM
nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:D'Antoni has enough time to get the team ready for the playoffs. I don't believe he needs another season to prove himself. I don't expect miracles. I do expect them to play hard on both ends of the court. Its not a question of how far they advance in the playoffs this season, its about D'Antoni getting the most out of his players. If he can't then its time to move on. I disagree. 22 games left and a couple of weeks to prepare and rest for the playoffs after that is plenty of time. I don't believe I've set an unreasonable standard here. Get the team to play hard and do a good job coaching in the playoffs. Not asking for ECF, just play hard and play smart. If he cant get them to do it in that time then he isn't the man for the job. |
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
3/6/2011 4:13 PM
GustavBahler wrote:D'Antoni has enough time to get the team ready for the playoffs. I don't believe he needs another season to prove himself. I don't expect miracles. I do expect them to play hard on both ends of the court. Its not a question of how far they advance in the playoffs this season, its about D'Antoni getting the most out of his players. If he can't then its time to move on.I think that is very reasonable. I also think Walsh's future may impact what happens with D'Antoni. If Walsh is gone after this season, I don't see D'Antoni as getting the same support and protection from Walsh's replacement. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42806 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
3/6/2011 4:22 PM
CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:D'Antoni has enough time to get the team ready for the playoffs. I don't believe he needs another season to prove himself. I don't expect miracles. I do expect them to play hard on both ends of the court. Its not a question of how far they advance in the playoffs this season, its about D'Antoni getting the most out of his players. If he can't then its time to move on.I think that is very reasonable. I also think Walsh's future may impact what happens with D'Antoni. If Walsh is gone after this season, I don't see D'Antoni as getting the same support and protection from Walsh's replacement. I hope how D'Antoni finishes the season has no bearing on Walsh's future with the organization, but it might. Dolan wanted a big |
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OasisBU
Posts: 24138 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 6/18/2002 Member: #257 USA |
3/6/2011 4:26 PM
GustavBahler wrote:CrushAlot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:D'Antoni has enough time to get the team ready for the playoffs. I don't believe he needs another season to prove himself. I don't expect miracles. I do expect them to play hard on both ends of the court. Its not a question of how far they advance in the playoffs this season, its about D'Antoni getting the most out of his players. If he can't then its time to move on.I think that is very reasonable. I also think Walsh's future may impact what happens with D'Antoni. If Walsh is gone after this season, I don't see D'Antoni as getting the same support and protection from Walsh's replacement. I think Donnie will get an extension and Mike will be safe until next season when he will be expected to put a team on the floor that can win in the playoffs. As long as the team improves year over year, which up to now it has, I see no reason why either of them will be let go. I am proud of the job both have done in NY. "If at first you don't succeed, then maybe you just SUCK." Kenny Powers
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
3/6/2011 5:52 PM
No Way Dolan cuts Walsh loose after the team has been remade as it has so far. This is year one of the core build at this point. This offseason Donnie will have to oversee more improvements. I may be wrong, but I think Donnie stays and Mike stays as long as they still get into the playoffs and the team puts in a good showing. DOlan hasn't shown a fast trigger when it comes to his employees. He's been patient almost to a fault with his past employees and don't see him changing that now.
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JrZyHuStLa
Posts: 25677 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 1/5/2007 Member: #1241 |
3/6/2011 6:05 PM
D'antoni will surely get another season, which is the problem. He's lucky Carmelo came into this season with roughly 20 games to go, so even if they face a first round exit, he'll get a free pass. It'll take a whole new season and a playoff exit in 2011-2012 to consider letting D'antoni go, which will hurt the team because Amar'e and Anthony aren't getting any younger. They're both in "win now" mode, but it won't happen as long as this guy puts a premium on the pace and shots instead of defending the pick and roll and holding opponents to under 80 points. Every single D'antoni win or loss is in the 100s most of the time, which isn't the way you're going to succeed in the postseason. You need to be able to score 81 points and still win sometimes. And I just don't see that happening.
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SlimChin
Posts: 20588 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/5/2011 Member: #3363 |
3/7/2011 11:34 AM
it seems like it's about the willingness to play D which is on the part of the players. i guess certain coaches have the ability to tap into that "something" that motivates players.
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blkexec
Posts: 28308 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/3/2004 Member: #748 |
3/7/2011 11:46 AM
SlimChin wrote:it seems like it's about the willingness to play D which is on the part of the players. i guess certain coaches have the ability to tap into that "something" that motivates players. Thats the key missing link with this coaching staff....But lets see if that changes any time soon! I personally don't understand Born in Brooklyn, Raised in Queens, Lives in Maryland.
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SlimChin
Posts: 20588 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/5/2011 Member: #3363 |
3/7/2011 11:49 AM
isn't Doc Rivers available this summer?!?
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
3/7/2011 12:20 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:D'antoni will surely get another season, which is the problem. He's lucky Carmelo came into this season with roughly 20 games to go, so even if they face a first round exit, he'll get a free pass. It'll take a whole new season and a playoff exit in 2011-2012 to consider letting D'antoni go, which will hurt the team because Amar'e and Anthony aren't getting any younger. They're both in "win now" mode, but it won't happen as long as this guy puts a premium on the pace and shots instead of defending the pick and roll and holding opponents to under 80 points. Every single D'antoni win or loss is in the 100s most of the time, which isn't the way you're going to succeed in the postseason. You need to be able to score 81 points and still win sometimes. And I just don't see that happening. Mike has already slowed the pace down. I think he's adjusted fairly quickly to this new reality. We have to remember that he's spent the entire season coaching speed and much of the roster still thinks that way. It takes time to find a new balance between the high pace and a new slower pace. We'll always have the ability to put up points, but I think there's been an effort to improve the defense but it also takes time to get it right. To say that you haven't seen an attempt to play winning defense is a bit harsh. It's not even 10 games yet. 3 of our 4 wins we only gave up 86, 88 and 79 points!!! The team has been inconsistent, but there's been an attempt to improve the defense. I'm pretty sure that Mike has been emphasizing D all the time, but that the players haven't exactly executed with the same level each game. |
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orangeblobman
Posts: 27269 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/1/2009 Member: #2539 Nauru |
3/7/2011 12:35 PM
We need to fire this guy ASAP, he's bad for the locker room and he has a moustache, and, and, man, he's just the worst.
WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
3/7/2011 11:28 PM
Not for nothing, but Mike has employed a very nice Zone now that he has Jared back. It's so effective with Jared playing centerfield and coming over with his size and length. It's clear that Mike does indeed have some ideas on D and tho some mock him, the evidence shows that his idea has actually been successful. It's the perfect use for a guy with Jared's, size, defensive skills and IQ. It's an effective change of pace.
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umynot
Posts: 21465 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/4/2008 Member: #2093 USA |
3/8/2011 2:12 AM
If we play like tonight threads like this will stop
I also believe from what i have seen with rotations But again if we score 131 every other game and great D on back to back nights coach aint going nowhere KNICKS on the way UP!!!
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