CrushAlot wrote:Brewer is the same age as Rautins, was a lottery pick and is a very good defender. I don't see how keeping him hurt the Knicks. Did his extension kick in before the end of the season? I think the guys the Knicks got after they waived Brewer were Derek Brown and Jeffries. Brown didn't play and didn't want to be in NY. I think with the stud two guards in the east if you have lock down defender at that position you give him a shot. Defense is a big part of the playoffs and the way Pierce and Allen played against the Knicks I think Brewer could have contributed.

WOW -- never knew that rautins is the same age as brewer. that is crazy.

a little taste of what we missed.

the derrick brown thing is just baffling -- we sign him and then never play him. what was the point of that?

had brewer even shown a glimpse of talent we could've S&Ted him.

allen torched us. is billy walker really better than this guy?

this is neither here nor there the seasons over and it is what it is. still a really strange chain of events.

BigSm00th wrote:

nixluva wrote:FIVE MILLION DOLLARS! Why is that so hard to understand? We have limited resources going into the offseason. Plus as I said Donnie and Brewer's agent have a good relationship and he asked Donnie to let his player free to sign an extension. Why would Donnie stop that when he wasn't going to commit to the kid at that price?

on a bill simmons pod cast, frank isola, who covers the knicks full-time, gave this version of events: d'antoni told walsh he wasn't going to play brewer. walsh then asked happy walters (agent of amare, shawne williams, and brewer) if brewer wanted to be bought out since he wasn't gonna get burn. walters said yes. the knicks bought him out.

not sure what the source for your version of events is.

brewer was drafted in 07, which means this year he had a qualifying offer. after this season, the knicks could've kept him, released him (IE not signed him), or dealt him in a sign and trade. i don't know what "FIVE MILLION DOLLARS!" is referring to, but they bought him out, so they paid him anyway.

you are right, we have limited resources, and we bought one of those resources out (brewer) because D'Offensive Guru didn't want him.

I wanted him traded as I knew he wasn't going to fit long term for sure and because coach wouldn't play him. Of course he could have helped short term on the court, it's not debatable. Which makes Nixluva's argument beyond perplexing. There were two teams after him one of them was the Boston Celtics. The Celtics have 4 second round picks a few with heavy protection but one of them was a result from trading Marquis Daniels. I'd like to think Brewer had more value than Daniels. Let's say he was too difficult to trade in a 1-to-1 to the Celtics well find 3rd team especially if we were willing to eat salary in a buy out. I tell you why he wasn't flipped.... it's because our GM actually figured he'd be an asset somehow on the court(potentially in the off-season) but failed to communicate clearly on the matter with his coach. That's why at the end of the playoffs/season our GM/Pres said of our coach "OVERALL" he did a good job. He has growing concerns in this area.... without a doubt, among a few others I'm sure. Not only did we buy him out but we also picked up 2 players off waivers spending more money and didn't play one of them hardly at all.

Just head scratching some decisions that were made.

nixluva wrote:Donnie tried to flip Brewer in a trade immediately. The intent was never to keep him. How the heck does Bill Simmons know what Donnie's thinking was much less what Mike said to him? If things had worked out he never puts on a Knick Uni. Even after that Donnie had no intention of keeping the kid for he and his agent wanted. What good does it do to hold the kid from a better situation knowing you weren't going to sign and play him?

Fixed

Why leave this very important detail out?

nixluva wrote:Donnie tried to flip Brewer in a trade immediately. The intent was never to keep him. How the heck does Bill Simmons know what Donnie's thinking was much less what Mike said to him? If things had worked out he never puts on a Knick Uni. Even after that Donnie had no intention of keeping the kid for he and his agent wanted. What good does it do to hold the kid from a better situation knowing you weren't going to sign him?

frank isola said it. while being interviewed. by bill simmons. can you connect the dots? isola covers the team.

LOL i don't know if you are just responding to something i didn't write or are making things up:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/archive?id=2864045

the 3/29 podcast with frank isola, simmons breaks down the trade.

in the pod cast, isola, the guy who covers the knicks for a living, interviews the players/coaches/GMs, knows that d'antoni told walsh "walsh, i'm not gonna play brewer" after the trade. walsh wanted brewer to play and thought he could contribute.

you haven't backed any assertion you made up. whether you hope that walsh wanted to flip him in a trade is one thing, its another to be given an actual report that there was some disagreement between walsh and d'antoni after the trade about brewer.

if you go to around 44 minutes they begin to talk about D'Offensive Genius's baffling rotations and then they get into brewer.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:Donnie tried to flip Brewer in a trade immediately. The intent was never to keep him. How the heck does Bill Simmons know what Donnie's thinking was much less what Mike said to him? If things had worked out he never puts on a Knick Uni. Even after that Donnie had no intention of keeping the kid for he and his agent wanted. What good does it do to hold the kid from a better situation knowing you weren't going to sign him?

Interesting that ESPN, the NY Times, CBS Sports and Espn reported the same exact scenario as Bill Simmons. Here is a link to the Times article by Johnathon Abrams:

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/tag/knicks/

and notice that Brewer's comments center around playing/getting the chance to play/playing time. I don't see and haven't ready anything about money or his impending Free Agency in terms of retention

knickstorrents wrote:if those teams all had interest, it was a waste to let him go

if any of those teams had any real interest, they would have made a trade offer to secure him.

John Kenney: Watching Corey Brewer provide a spark for the Mavericks in Game 2 of the LA-Dallas series made it clear that the Knicks were foolish to waive him (as many predicted at the time). Giving up a quality NBA player looked even worse in retrospect, as the Knicks had to reach deep on their bench against the Celtics due to all the injuries sustained during the series. Knicks management’s reasoning at the time- “We have plenty of wing players, can’t guarantee him playing time” – was always suspect. First, the Knicks lacked a good wing defender, and Brewer definitely could have provided that. Watching Paul Pierce and Ray Allen go to town on the Knicks defense, it was impossible to avoid imagining how different the game might be if either of them had Brewer chasing them all over the court. Second, Brewer is simply a quality basketball player. When the Knicks waived him, a number of contenders were immediately interested. Those are the types of guys you want on your team.

The moral of the story? Get NBA-quality players on your team, and keep them. The Knicks right now have an incredible lack of depth. To focus too much on positional needs would be a mistake- what the Knicks need is someone who is immediately a rotation-quality player. I would love to see either one of the Morris twins from Kansas fall to the Knicks’ draft spot. If still available, Kenneth Faried from Morehead St. could be a huge help as well. None of those players fills a true positional need, true. However, the Knicks need a point guard or a center, and there will not be quality at either one of those positions as low as we are in the draft. Drafting a PF to backup Amar’e could help shore up the rotation as well. Shawne Williams wouldn’t have defend as many minutes at PF, and the Knicks could have some intriguing lineups with Amar’e at center. Whatever the choice is, Walsh needs to make sure the player can help the team immediately next season.
http://knickerblogger.net/four-off-the-floor-key-decisions-for-the-summer-decision-3-what-should-be-the-draft-strategy/