fishmike wrote:

Panos wrote:

markvmc wrote:Application for the "Don't Sign Jeffries" Club. Please omplete the following form:

We have 3 excellent offensive players, and a number of good offensive role players. We will score.

We are a poor defensive team. In particular, we need defensive bigs.

The trade deadline has passed, so we can only address this need with waived, uninjured players.

Jeffries is available, cheap, and uninjured.

But we shouldn’t sign him because _______________________ is available.

Because the claims of his defensive prowess are greatly exaggerated, and he's actually a negative on offense. Anyway, go ahead, lobby for him. You deserve what you'll get. Hope you enjoy watching him stink up the joint.

greatly exagerated how? Knicks were easily the best when he was on the floor last year. The team's +/- numbers dont lie and its a solid sampling. Everyone was better on defense with him and now with star players on offense his shortcomings arent as pronounced. Like him or hate him JJ made the Knicks better last year and thats why the coaching staff wants him back.

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910NYK.HTM

VMart is just perplexed because he clings to the notion that MDA doesnt care about defense and JJ is going to get playing time and help the Knicks defense.

According to that link, he had the 4th worst point differential on the team just better than Curry, Milicic, and House.

Own   Opp   Net
10.8  17.9  -7.1

markvmc wrote:Application for the "Don't Sign Jeffries" Club. Please complete the following form:

We have 3 excellent offensive players, and a number of good offensive role players. We will score.

We are a poor defensive team. In particular, we need defensive bigs.

The trade deadline has passed, so we can only address this need with waived, uninjured players.

Jeffries is available, cheap, and uninjured.

But we shouldn’t sign him because _______________________ is available.

Because he sucks. We've seen this movie already. Lot's of guys in the league may not be excellent at every aspect of basketball but he is below par in most and the things he does well others who are more complete players can do. A 6'11" who can dribble foul line to foul line is nice but do you really want him doing that? The hands of stone 2 ft from the basket is inexcusable.

Elite wrote:

that was great!!

ramtour420 wrote:Umm, we badly need help upfront. JJ tho? Lets look at it logically:

The good:
1) He is(was) #1 in the whole NBA @ taking charges.
2) Good movement on D(thats why the charges taken are so high)/Cloggs the paint
3) He can try to guard multiple positions
4) His attitute/work ethic.

The bad:
1) His passing
2) His rebounding
3) His blocking(kind of negated by charges taken)

The ugly:
1) His 3 point shooting
2) His 2 point shooting
3) His layup shooting

The very ugly:
1) His three throw shooting
2) Getting stuffed by the rim when shooting layups
3) His desision making(by this I mean whenever he decides to shoot it)

I might be missing something. Overall, his good and his bad is pretty close to being even. However that would require to eluminate the ugly and the very ugly by not taking any shots, never ever under any circumstances. Especially layups. And 3 pointers and absolutely nothing from the mid range. And never getting fouled to go shoot three throws. If he can do that - he just might have no impact on the game or even (dare I say it?) positive impact.

You forgot to add his dunk shooting.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xuwxv_carmelo-anthonys-side-of-the-brawl_sport

Panos wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:Umm, we badly need help upfront. JJ tho? Lets look at it logically:

The good:
1) He is(was) #1 in the whole NBA @ taking charges.
2) Good movement on D(thats why the charges taken are so high)/Cloggs the paint
3) He can try to guard multiple positions
4) His attitute/work ethic.

The bad:
1) His passing
2) His rebounding
3) His blocking(kind of negated by charges taken)

The ugly:
1) His 3 point shooting
2) His 2 point shooting
3) His layup shooting

The very ugly:
1) His three throw shooting
2) Getting stuffed by the rim when shooting layups
3) His desision making(by this I mean whenever he decides to shoot it)

I might be missing something. Overall, his good and his bad is pretty close to being even. However that would require to eluminate the ugly and the very ugly by not taking any shots, never ever under any circumstances. Especially layups. And 3 pointers and absolutely nothing from the mid range. And never getting fouled to go shoot three throws. If he can do that - he just might have no impact on the game or even (dare I say it?) positive impact.

You forgot to add his dunk shooting.

And turnovers.

His lack of brains

crzymdups wrote:

loweyecue wrote:I am with Ramtour. Shelden Williams can rebound why do we need Fishlips? And yes Shelden Williams can score as well.

Jeffries defends - there is a difference.

I hope Shelden gets a shot, for what it's worth.

But I think Jeffries and Brewer can be real good defenders off the bench for us.

Chicago starts Keith Bogans - who is an absolutely horrible offensive player, but a key defender for them.

Shelden defends too. That's about all he can do too - defend and rebound. Sucks at everything else.