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Panos
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2/25/2011  2:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/25/2011  2:11 PM
fishmike wrote:
Panos wrote:
markvmc wrote:Application for the "Don't Sign Jeffries" Club. Please omplete the following form:

We have 3 excellent offensive players, and a number of good offensive role players. We will score.

We are a poor defensive team. In particular, we need defensive bigs.

The trade deadline has passed, so we can only address this need with waived, uninjured players.

Jeffries is available, cheap, and uninjured.

But we shouldn’t sign him because _______________________ is available.

Because the claims of his defensive prowess are greatly exaggerated, and he's actually a negative on offense. Anyway, go ahead, lobby for him. You deserve what you'll get. Hope you enjoy watching him stink up the joint.

greatly exagerated how? Knicks were easily the best when he was on the floor last year. The team's +/- numbers dont lie and its a solid sampling. Everyone was better on defense with him and now with star players on offense his shortcomings arent as pronounced. Like him or hate him JJ made the Knicks better last year and thats why the coaching staff wants him back.

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910NYK.HTM

VMart is just perplexed because he clings to the notion that MDA doesnt care about defense and JJ is going to get playing time and help the Knicks defense.


According to that link, he had the 4th worst point differential on the team just better than Curry, Milicic, and House.

Own   Opp   Net
10.8 17.9 -7.1

And his overall rating -2.3 is behind Harrington and in front of a bunch of scrubs.
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2/25/2011  2:26 PM
markvmc wrote:Application for the "Don't Sign Jeffries" Club. Please complete the following form:

We have 3 excellent offensive players, and a number of good offensive role players. We will score.

We are a poor defensive team. In particular, we need defensive bigs.

The trade deadline has passed, so we can only address this need with waived, uninjured players.

Jeffries is available, cheap, and uninjured.

But we shouldn’t sign him because _______________________ is available.

Because he sucks. We've seen this movie already. Lot's of guys in the league may not be excellent at every aspect of basketball but he is below par in most and the things he does well others who are more complete players can do. A 6'11" who can dribble foul line to foul line is nice but do you really want him doing that? The hands of stone 2 ft from the basket is inexcusable.

Bring back dee-fense
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2/25/2011  2:29 PM
I see Leon Powe got waived by the Cavs. If he is healthy he is a better option than Jefferies.
Bring back dee-fense
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2/25/2011  2:35 PM
Elite wrote:

that was great!!

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2/25/2011  2:40 PM
Umm, we badly need help upfront. JJ tho? Lets look at it logically:

The good:
1) He is(was) #1 in the whole NBA @ taking charges.
2) Good movement on D(thats why the charges taken are so high)/Cloggs the paint
3) He can try to guard multiple positions
4) His attitute/work ethic.

The bad:
1) His passing
2) His rebounding
3) His blocking(kind of negated by charges taken)

The ugly:
1) His 3 point shooting
2) His 2 point shooting
3) His layup shooting

The very ugly:
1) His three throw shooting
2) Getting stuffed by the rim when shooting layups
3) His desision making(by this I mean whenever he decides to shoot it)

I might be missing something. Overall, his good and his bad is pretty close to being even. However that would require to eluminate the ugly and the very ugly by not taking any shots, never ever under any circumstances. Especially layups. And 3 pointers and absolutely nothing from the mid range. And never getting fouled to go shoot three throws. If he can do that - he just might have no impact on the game or even (dare I say it?) positive impact.

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2/25/2011  2:59 PM
ramtour420 wrote:Umm, we badly need help upfront. JJ tho? Lets look at it logically:

The good:
1) He is(was) #1 in the whole NBA @ taking charges.
2) Good movement on D(thats why the charges taken are so high)/Cloggs the paint
3) He can try to guard multiple positions
4) His attitute/work ethic.

The bad:
1) His passing
2) His rebounding
3) His blocking(kind of negated by charges taken)

The ugly:
1) His 3 point shooting
2) His 2 point shooting
3) His layup shooting

The very ugly:
1) His three throw shooting
2) Getting stuffed by the rim when shooting layups
3) His desision making(by this I mean whenever he decides to shoot it)

I might be missing something. Overall, his good and his bad is pretty close to being even. However that would require to eluminate the ugly and the very ugly by not taking any shots, never ever under any circumstances. Especially layups. And 3 pointers and absolutely nothing from the mid range. And never getting fouled to go shoot three throws. If he can do that - he just might have no impact on the game or even (dare I say it?) positive impact.

You forgot to add his dunk shooting.

Panos
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2/25/2011  3:00 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:Umm, we badly need help upfront. JJ tho? Lets look at it logically:

The good:
1) He is(was) #1 in the whole NBA @ taking charges.
2) Good movement on D(thats why the charges taken are so high)/Cloggs the paint
3) He can try to guard multiple positions
4) His attitute/work ethic.

The bad:
1) His passing
2) His rebounding
3) His blocking(kind of negated by charges taken)

The ugly:
1) His 3 point shooting
2) His 2 point shooting
3) His layup shooting

The very ugly:
1) His three throw shooting
2) Getting stuffed by the rim when shooting layups
3) His desision making(by this I mean whenever he decides to shoot it)

I might be missing something. Overall, his good and his bad is pretty close to being even. However that would require to eluminate the ugly and the very ugly by not taking any shots, never ever under any circumstances. Especially layups. And 3 pointers and absolutely nothing from the mid range. And never getting fouled to go shoot three throws. If he can do that - he just might have no impact on the game or even (dare I say it?) positive impact.

You forgot to add his dunk shooting.

And turnovers.

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2/25/2011  3:03 PM
They're adding Jared Jeffries to the mix?? This can only go well.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xuwxv_carmelo-anthonys-side-of-the-brawl_sport

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2/25/2011  3:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/25/2011  3:09 PM
There is no way they should let Jeffries anywhere near this team.
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2/25/2011  3:23 PM
I'm just happy we have another player to tear each other to shreds about. Makes me feel warm inside.
Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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2/25/2011  3:26 PM
Elite wrote:

too many laughs were had...

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2/25/2011  3:29 PM
Panos wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:Umm, we badly need help upfront. JJ tho? Lets look at it logically:

The good:
1) He is(was) #1 in the whole NBA @ taking charges.
2) Good movement on D(thats why the charges taken are so high)/Cloggs the paint
3) He can try to guard multiple positions
4) His attitute/work ethic.

The bad:
1) His passing
2) His rebounding
3) His blocking(kind of negated by charges taken)

The ugly:
1) His 3 point shooting
2) His 2 point shooting
3) His layup shooting

The very ugly:
1) His three throw shooting
2) Getting stuffed by the rim when shooting layups
3) His desision making(by this I mean whenever he decides to shoot it)

I might be missing something. Overall, his good and his bad is pretty close to being even. However that would require to eluminate the ugly and the very ugly by not taking any shots, never ever under any circumstances. Especially layups. And 3 pointers and absolutely nothing from the mid range. And never getting fouled to go shoot three throws. If he can do that - he just might have no impact on the game or even (dare I say it?) positive impact.

You forgot to add his dunk shooting.

And turnovers.

His lack of brains

ES
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2/25/2011  3:30 PM
I hate this guy but as long as I dont see him taking corner 3's Im fine.
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2/25/2011  3:54 PM
I am with Ramtour. Shelden Williams can rebound why do we need Fishlips? And yes Shelden Williams can score as well.
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2/25/2011  3:56 PM
loweyecue wrote:I am with Ramtour. Shelden Williams can rebound why do we need Fishlips? And yes Shelden Williams can score as well.

Jeffries defends - there is a difference.

I hope Shelden gets a shot, for what it's worth.

But I think Jeffries and Brewer can be real good defenders off the bench for us.

Chicago starts Keith Bogans - who is an absolutely horrible offensive player, but a key defender for them.

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2/25/2011  4:20 PM
I think this is a good move if he doesn't get the freedom to take 3 pointers..we have enough scorers where Jefferies can make a big difference just doing dirty work. You need players like that for cohesion.
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2/25/2011  4:21 PM
This might be cliche but players like him Stink on a Terrible team but look pretty good on Talented teams.
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2/25/2011  4:28 PM
Whats the worst that can happen? He sucks and he will be gone next year.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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2/25/2011  4:29 PM
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Panos wrote:
markvmc wrote:Application for the "Don't Sign Jeffries" Club. Please omplete the following form:

We have 3 excellent offensive players, and a number of good offensive role players. We will score.

We are a poor defensive team. In particular, we need defensive bigs.

The trade deadline has passed, so we can only address this need with waived, uninjured players.

Jeffries is available, cheap, and uninjured.

But we shouldn’t sign him because _______________________ is available.

Because the claims of his defensive prowess are greatly exaggerated, and he's actually a negative on offense. Anyway, go ahead, lobby for him. You deserve what you'll get. Hope you enjoy watching him stink up the joint.

greatly exagerated how? Knicks were easily the best when he was on the floor last year. The team's +/- numbers dont lie and its a solid sampling. Everyone was better on defense with him and now with star players on offense his shortcomings arent as pronounced. Like him or hate him JJ made the Knicks better last year and thats why the coaching staff wants him back.

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910NYK.HTM

VMart is just perplexed because he clings to the notion that MDA doesnt care about defense and JJ is going to get playing time and help the Knicks defense.


According to that link, he had the 4th worst point differential on the team just better than Curry, Milicic, and House.

Own   Opp   Net
10.8 17.9 -7.1

And his overall rating -2.3 is behind Harrington and in front of a bunch of scrubs.
your looking at production. We all know JJ doesnt fill out the stat sheet. Look at the +/- numbers. Thats where you see the Knicks are better when he was on the floor. In fact I think he's got the highest + of ANYONE that played major minutes.

JJ isnt on the floor to outscore the guy he's guarding. He's there to set up the defense and he did a damn good job at that. That defense was playing pretty good and the KNicks were finally winning games. Notice they totally tanked after the TMac trade.

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2/25/2011  6:18 PM
crzymdups wrote:
loweyecue wrote:I am with Ramtour. Shelden Williams can rebound why do we need Fishlips? And yes Shelden Williams can score as well.

Jeffries defends - there is a difference.

I hope Shelden gets a shot, for what it's worth.

But I think Jeffries and Brewer can be real good defenders off the bench for us.

Chicago starts Keith Bogans - who is an absolutely horrible offensive player, but a key defender for them.

Shelden defends too. That's about all he can do too - defend and rebound. Sucks at everything else.

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Isola: Jeffries Set to Re-Join Knicks

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