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Now we know why Nets keep raising the price for the Knicks - offering first round picks for Chandler, Gallo, Felton??
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MSG3
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2/21/2011  3:03 PM
I think these tactics are goin to be bad for NJ in the long run. Denver needs NJ to stay relevant so they can't tell them to stop these leaks. In the short term leaking all this info is great for NJ. But even Denver is probably cringing at what NJ is pulling.
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2/21/2011  3:04 PM
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Andrew wrote:I think the Nets are trying to get the Knicks to back out. They probably think this is their last hope to land a top level guy and get the fans to show up.

This actually makes sense, The russian by getting Knick players would freak Dolan out. Its one thing to exile Gallo, Wilson, Felton, and Mozzy to the ural's but to bring them back to NY (stop thinking Jersey guys) is got to be a great counter move.

Dolan is phuched either way!!!!

Im listening to
and being of Russian decent and the move Prokhorov is doing is freaking epic! Dolan walked into the trap! Its brilliant!!!

The only way for dolan to win is to win big but with a depleted roster, a front office in turmoil and Isiah Prokhorov actually destroyed the knicks! Dolan is thinking linear with melo yet he is getting played.

Im off today, getting ready to go to the gym but my thirst for Vodka is suddenly hit my palat!

Prokhorov is taking the mini giraffe and sticking it up jimmys ass and jimmy never saw it coming!

ROFL!!!

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2/21/2011  3:08 PM

alanhahn Alan Hahn
RT @ChrisMannixSI: Source says it appears Nets are "throwing in the towel" on pursuit of Anthony.
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2/21/2011  3:09 PM
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DrAlphaeus wrote:The Art of War by Sun Tzu. I has it.

Your right! If he walks away Nets get Melo, if he has to give up mozzy the russian will play him.

Check Mate!!!

Forget good faith, bad faith.........Jimmy walked did this to himself. They knew he had to have the trophy and would not stop.

Its brilliant!

Why do I have the feeling that if Proky was from France, you wouldn't be jizzing your pants. Whats so brilliant about the Nets landing Mozgov and us landing Melo? We got the best player while they got a project who is from the same place as the owner. Frankly, I could care less if the players we move out land in Denver or NJ, as long as we get our target. Either way we are still the better ballclub.

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2/21/2011  3:10 PM
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alanhahn Alan Hahn
RT @ChrisMannixSI: Source says it appears Nets are "throwing in the towel" on pursuit of Anthony.

can we please pull gallo back off the table now?

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2/21/2011  3:11 PM
s3231 wrote:However, I did not think we would have to add our own future pick to that (the 2014 pick) and possibly Mozgov as well. In my opinion, Nets/Denver are doing a good job of attempting to get us to give up as much as possible.

Not concerned too much with the 2014 pick. If the trade happens it's a pick in the 20's and the KNicks have proven you can buy a late round pick.

The difference between 22-24 and 28-29 in negligible.

But I do believe Mozgov is too much. Less about the player (though I like his upside) but more about there should be some rules of engagement about these things.

I blame a lot of this on Melo because he hasn't taken a hard stance and it seems like Denver/NJ are capitalizing on his fear of losing the money. If he really wants both the money and the Knicks, he has to tell them that there is NO chance he signs extension with NJ and that he would rather go through FA process without a CBA. If that happens, Denver can be stubborn but I doubt they let it go to FA and risk losing Melo for nothing when we have a solid offer on the table.

I don't blame him for NOT taking a hard stance. It actually compromises his position of he wants his extension (and by rule, i don't take money outta someone else's hand for them, because I wouldn't want anyone to make the decision for me). He simply doesn't want to be the one to say the definitive no.

In fact, no party does. It's a 4-way Mexican stand-off that's not going to resolve itself until Thursday. Knicks pulling out, or Nets pulling out, even Denver pulling out won't resolve it, because as the Nets have shown, you can always get back in, and all the parties know it.

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2/21/2011  3:14 PM
crzymdups wrote:can we please pull gallo back off the table now?

No.

Nets have been out of this 3 or 4 times now. NO one is REALLY out of it until approximately 2:59pn EST Thursday.

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2/21/2011  3:15 PM
crzymdups wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
alanhahn Alan Hahn
RT @ChrisMannixSI: Source says it appears Nets are "throwing in the towel" on pursuit of Anthony.

can we please pull gallo back off the table now?

i love this...they ask for more...we offer less....sriusly, take gallo off the table...take it or leave it

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2/21/2011  3:22 PM
This gets better by the day..All of you that are critisizing dolan, Im yet to see a deal transpired, and the media has been wrong every step of the way..how can you even believe anything the russian says, when just a few short weeks ago he said he was backing out of the deal only to rehash the same exact deal..

2 billionare bafoons battling over who takes the biggest loss, niether of them have a firm sense of anything basketball related.

Dolan wants melo to sell more tickets, and the russian wants melo as bate to get other players to come running.
I don't remember when I ever head of owners(outside of cuban who is a basketball junkie) getting so deeply involved in trades.

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2/21/2011  3:25 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
crzymdups wrote:can we please pull gallo back off the table now?

No.

Nets have been out of this 3 or 4 times now. NO one is REALLY out of it until approximately 2:59pn EST Thursday.

Agreed. However, the one player I look to pull out is Randolph, if possible.

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2/21/2011  3:26 PM
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Not concerned too much with the 2014 pick. If the trade happens it's a pick in the 20's and the KNicks have proven you can buy a late round pick.

The difference between 22-24 and 28-29 in negligible.


I heard that one a few times--and they ended up as high lottery picks--kiss of death well probably have pick 1. We are the only team that gives away unprotected picks. But we also are the worst run franchise in sports history per $ spent.

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2/21/2011  3:27 PM
Andrew wrote:Here's to hoping the Knicks back out, Nets send a boatload of picks and players to Denver and Dolan releases a statement that he was only negotiating to run up the price on the Nets.

Here here. I'll raise a glass of the good stuff to that proposition! That would be a fitting and wonderful end to this saga of stupidity. It would suck to have o give any credit to Jimmy D. for thinking up such an outstanding plan, but it's better than gutting our roster for one "starphuck" Kodak moment.

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2/21/2011  3:27 PM
Andrew wrote:Here's to hoping the Knicks back out, Nets send a boatload of picks and players to Denver and Dolan releases a statement that he was only negotiating to run up the price on the Nets.

I would actually respect the guy if he did that. Dolan - here's your chance at redemption - take it!

The new new core: Randle, RJ, IQ. Maybe Mitch. Future pick. Future trade. Future FA.
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2/21/2011  3:28 PM
I don't give a rats azz what happens with Gallo, Chandler and who ever once Melo gets here. Denver can do whatever they want with them. Send to the Net who gives a Shyt.
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2/21/2011  3:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/21/2011  3:30 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I heard that one a few times--and they ended up as high lottery picks--

When, because it you heard it from someone in reaction to the Marbury or Curry trades, you heard it from an idiot that you should have been smart enough not to listen to at the time.

Marbury played most of his career (pre-Knick) on lottery teams. Curry was... well Curry.

I could be mistaken, but I don't think Melo has ever missed the playoffs and and it's been a long-time for Stat.

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2/21/2011  3:36 PM
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Knickoftime wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:In fairness to Knick fans becoming Net fans. There is something to that.

Whatever is to that it's roughly approximate to the proclamation of fans that they'd give up on the NBA if James and Bosh went to Miami.

How's that working out?

The Nets were a VERY good team when the Knicks were very bad. They had the 2 best players in the area, they went to the Finals and a couple of conference Finals and the NJ Nets have NEVER played a single home game that had as much energy as a rental version of a hobbled Tracy McGrady making his Knicks debut in a losing season.

For anyone where who says they're going to become a Nets fans, I'm calling you out. I don't believe you for one second ... or you are fooling yourself.

That was when they were in Jersey. Look how close the Atlantic yards are to Manhattan! Your not thinking of forward possibilities, just past failures under a different owner. Dolan thinks now. The russian has a 5 year plan.

That is basically what my reply was going to be. I was born in Brooklyn and brought up there. At face value, no, I won't be a fan of that team (when they move), but if Dolan does F up the deal and ends up sending half our team there, I very well may be a dual fan. And, depending on if Dolan destroys the team further, I wouldn't root at all. If you don't like what a corporation is doing, simply boycott the product. Money talks in their world.

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2/21/2011  3:41 PM
No way. Pull out of this deal right now.
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2/21/2011  3:47 PM
Melo has made it clear that he isn't intersted in the Nets so I would pull out and deal with him in free agency. Why give away the farm if Denver is going to turn around and send these guys to NJ? On the other hand the players we are craving only have us 2 games above .500.
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2/21/2011  3:49 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:That is basically what my reply was going to be. I was born in Brooklyn and brought up there. At face value, no, I won't be a fan of that team (when they move), but if Dolan does F up the deal and ends up sending half our team there, I very well may be a dual fan. And, depending on if Dolan destroys the team further, I wouldn't root at all. If you don't like what a corporation is doing, simply boycott the product. Money talks in their world.

Problem is even if you did follow through, you're be relatively by your lonesome.

The Knicks were for a decade, without any hint of hyperbole, the worst run organization in professional sports, and the money never talked.

So fans are going to leave NOW, if Mosgov is traded? Really? After Marbury and Isiah, Curry and Jerome James, Timofey Mosgov is the tipping point for tens of thousands of fans?

C'mon...

And this all said, I neither think Mosgov should be or will be traded.

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2/21/2011  3:49 PM
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Nalod wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:The Art of War by Sun Tzu. I has it.

Your right! If he walks away Nets get Melo, if he has to give up mozzy the russian will play him.

Check Mate!!!

Forget good faith, bad faith.........Jimmy walked did this to himself. They knew he had to have the trophy and would not stop.

Its brilliant!

Why do I have the feeling that if Proky was from France, you wouldn't be jizzing your pants. Whats so brilliant about the Nets landing Mozgov and us landing Melo? We got the best player while they got a project who is from the same place as the owner. Frankly, I could care less if the players we move out land in Denver or NJ, as long as we get our target. Either way we are still the better ballclub.

Because either way Prokhorov got a favorable result.

He bid up Knicks price. That helps his conguest.

Second if he gets Gallo and Mozgov, or even some ex knicks it opens up a crack in the door. I will watch more games with ex knicks then before.

If Prokhrov was french he would have pulled some "Crying Game" tranny switch on Dolan and still got him phuched. I said Im of Russian decent, of course Im a homer on this one. French are not known as chess players are they? We talking art? Fashion? Wine? Food? Nope.

Knicks for 10 years did grow a new fan base. Knicks suck for ten years. Causual fan does not care about knicks or nets. But "brooklyn" is cool. Especially outside of NY.

Causual fan will jump on Nets when the winning starts. Meadowlands Nets were a logistic mistake. NY teams play in Jersey does not resonate. Think ahead.

Its good for both teams really.

Prokhorov deals at a higher level than dolan who was "born on third base and thinks he hit a triple" (might have heard it somewhere on these threads) where he build an empire in "mysterious ways". The billboard, this trade, its all part of the big scheme to get in dolans head and beat him. Or Dolan beats himself! Even if he does not get melo he loses a battle but weakens the enemy which helps him win the war.

That vodka gonna taste good.

Now we know why Nets keep raising the price for the Knicks - offering first round picks for Chandler, Gallo, Felton??

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