martin wrote:nixluva wrote:Paladin55 wrote:nixluva wrote:In the end Timo is about the future. He's not ready now and he's not going to be the difference between contending this year or not. This is a starting point. I don't like the deal, but at the same time if this is it, I might have to suck it up and do the deal. It's not like you can't find an adequate big man to replace what Timo gives us now. It's not about this season. It's about the next 5 seasons. Maybe they can work something out to add in Nene. IDK anymore. This is just turning into a crazy deal. What I do know is that the idea of Timo is better than the actual player he is right now. There's a reason we're still looking for big man help.
How is this a "starting point?" The Nuggets have been asking for more and more since these talks began. What exactly constitutes a "starting point"- whatever the last package Denver asks for from us?
I was talking about the new core of the team. It used to include Chan and Gallo but now it's STAT and Melo if we make the trade. They're the most important elements of the team and it all starts with them. You could switch any number of similarly skilled role players and the results would be about the same. That's the reason to make the deal.
Could you? Please name them for me. A couple of 16/5.5 guys who are 23 who have range on the shots. Who are they and how do the Knicks acquire them within the next few years and also within the context of their salary cap? Any examples will do. Also note that NY will have to replace a retiring Billups.
We're not actually trying to replace 2 16.5 guys. Melo is taking the place of one of them. So you want a kid that has at least similar skills, they don't have to match up exactly, that's why I said similarly. Melo is better than Chandler already, so the guy we get to replace Chan, needs to only be close in production. Don't tell me that there aren't any guys that fit that description.
2011 Free Agents:
Shooting Guard
(name, team – 2010-11 salary – status)
Ray Allen, Boston Celtics - $10.0 million – Player Option ($10.0 million)
Jason Richardson, Orlando Magic - $14.4 million - Unrestricted
Jamal Crawford, Atlanta Hawks - $10.1 million – Unrestricted
Arron Afflalo, Denver Nuggets - $2.0 million – Restricted ($2.9 million Qualifying Offer)
Wilson Chandler, New York Knicks - $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Shannon Brown, L.A. Lakers - $2.1 million – Player Option ($2.4 million)
C.J. Miles, Utah Jazz - $3.7 million – Team Option ($3.7 million)
J.R. Smith, Denver Nuggets - $6.0 million – Unrestricted
DeShawn Stevenson, Dallas Mavericks - $4.2 million – Unrestricted
Mike Dunleavy, Indiana Pacers - $10.6 million – Unrestricted
Chris Douglas-Roberts, Milwaukee Bucks - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Nick Young, Washington Wizards - $2.6 million – Restricted ($3.7 million Qualifying Offer)
Sonny Weems, Toronto Raptors - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Mo Evans, Atlanta Hawks - $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Daequan Cook, Oklahoma City Thunder - $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Anthony Parker, Cleveland Cavaliers - $2.9 million – Unrestricted
Eddie House, Miami HEAT - $1.4 million – Player Option ($1.4 million)
Marquis Daniels, Boston Celtics - $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Marcus Thornton, New Orleans Hornets - $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Morris Peterson, Oklahoma City Thunder - $6.2 million - Unrestricted
Roger Mason, New York Knicks - $1.4 million - Unrestricted
Marco Belinelli, New Orleans Hornets - $2.4 million – Restricted ($3.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Gary Forbes, Denver Nuggets - $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Michael Redd, Milwaukee Bucks - $18.3 million - Unrestricted
Delonte West, Boston Celtics - $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Stephen Graham, New Jersey Nets - $1.0 million – Team Option ($1.1 million)
Dominic McGuire, Charlotte Bobcats - $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Alonzo Gee, Washington Wizards - $0.6 million – Unrestricted*
Jeremy Lin, Golden State Warriors - $0.5 million – Team Option ($0.8 million)
Von Wafer, Boston Celtics - $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Small Forward
(name, team – 2010-11 salary – status)
Carmelo Anthony, Denver Nuggets - $17.1 million – Early Termination Option ($18.5 million)
Caron Butler, Dallas Mavericks - $10.8 million – Unrestricted
Thaddeus Young, Philadelphia 76ers - $2.9 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Grant Hill, Phoenix Suns - $3.2 million - Unrestricted
Tayshaun Prince, Detroit Pistons – $11.1 million – Unrestricted
Shane Battier, Houston Rockets - $7.4 million - Unrestricted
Reggie Williams, Golden State Warriors - $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
James Jones, Miami HEAT - $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Al Thornton, Washington Wizards - $2.8 million – Restricted ($3.9 million Qualifying Offer)
Jason Kapono, Philadelphia 76ers - $6.6 million - Unrestricted
Corey Brewer, Minnesota Timberwolves - $3.7 million – Restricted ($5.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Josh Howard, Washington Wizards - $3.0 million - Unrestricted
Rasual Butler, L.A. Clippers - $2.4 million - Unrestricted
Jamario Moon, Cleveland Cavaliers - $3.0 million – Unrestricted
Julian Wright, Toronto Raptors - $2.9 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Peja Stojakovic, Toronto Raptors - $14.3 million - Unrestricted
Earl Clark, Orlando Magic - $1.9 million – Unrestricted
Kelenna Azubuike, New York Knicks - $3.3 million - Unrestricted
Quinton Ross, New Jersey Nets - $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Shawne Williams, New York Knicks - $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Ime Udoka, San Antonio Spurs - $0.9 million - Unrestricted
Vladimir Radmanovic, Golden State Warriors - $6.9 million - Unrestricted
Joey Graham, Cleveland Cavaliers - $1.0 million – Team Option ($1.1 million)
Jawad Williams, Cleveland Cavaliers - $1.1 million – Unrestricted*
Rodney Carney, Golden State Warriors - $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Jeremy Evans, Utah Jazz - $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
DaJuan Summers, Detroit Pistons - $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Damien Wilkins, Atlanta Hawks - $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Steve Novak, Dallas Mavericks - $0.9 million - Unrestricted
Derrick Brown, Charlotte Bobcats - $0.7 million – Unrestricted*
Darnell Jackson, Sacramento Kings - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Cartier Martin, Washington Wizards - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*