WOODMANnYk wrote:Isola was reporting the latest report as of 10pm tonight on SNY tv. Isola strongly believes a deal will go through by sunday the latest and dolan has taken over the trade discussion. Dolan might bypass his basketbal trust decision that it's way too much of a deal to go through. Thats the latest report.

Knicks and Denver mgmt were on a conference call this evening. Denver would prefer Fields and that might be the hold up. They know Chandler will leave via free agency but they feel fields can be theirs for the long run. GAllo and Felton are definitely gone! Dolan is going to do whatever he can to get Carmelo here.

Papabear Says

If the Knicks were able to play defense I would be against this trade. The trade was in the hands of Gallo and Chandler. Had they played like I know they can and we would not be looking at Carmelo.

NYKBocker wrote:If Gallo goes then I think I will be a dual fan. Rooting for Denver and my Knicks.

Amen

ItalianStallion wrote:It's over guys. It's freaking over. If this deal gets done we are dooming ourselves to becoming another version of the Atlanta Hawks. We'll win 50 games and go out in the 1st or 2nd round every year. WE won't have the assets or cap space left to fill glaring holes defensively, rebounding, and ultimately at PG too. In 2-3 years after that becomes obvious to everyone, we'll be having the same conversations about how we can rebuild in 2016.

Lol,
i think you have it backwards. if we don't get this deal done, we'll be the hawks lite. because no matter how you slice it, this team as presently constructed will not make it. Team is .500 team, we have a finite window of opportunity to make a run, we have to seize the moment. When was the last title? 73 right. When was the last time we actually had a team that could win?
90s?

The time is now, the heat aren't a lock, we can contend.

ItalianStallion wrote:It's over guys. It's freaking over. If this deal gets done we are dooming ourselves to becoming another version of the Atlanta Hawks. We'll win 50 games and go out in the 1st or 2nd round every year. WE won't have the assets or cap space left to fill glaring holes defensively, rebounding, and ultimately at PG too. In 2-3 years after that becomes obvious to everyone, we'll be having the same conversations about how we can rebuild in 2016.

wow. I don't think adding Gallo without Denver also adding something to the deal as well is a smart move, but I also don't think that the Knicks would turn into a 50 win game and the Atlanta Hawks.

A front line of Moz, Amare, Melo with Billups and Fields is a decent team, much better than what the Hawks roll out every night. Moz is obvious weak link, but come on.

Key is of course Billups and how much mileage he has left; this year and next or beyond that ala Nash, Kidd. Critical how many years he has left and what price the Knicks could or would extend him.

Getting back to the deal. Any good negotiation has each side making some concessions, and I hope NY is smart enough to let Donnie force this type of attitude. NY just conceeded Billups/Felton swap and also included Gallo. Perhaps Melo's extension can be structured in a way just that in the 2012/13 season his salary dips dramatically, or perhaps NY asks him to start his extension at $14M instead of $20M; that would be his concession. Seems like Anthony Carter is also coming to NY, but I want to see NY see if they can pry Ty Lawson; perhaps include extra future round picks for the kids as well as TD/Rautins/Azu and his cost savings. Something.

martin wrote:

FeltonandAmare wrote:I'm in Denver and the local station is saying it's a done deal. All that remains is a formal announcement. They said it was Felton, Chandler, Gallo, big waster of human skin and a first round pick for Melo, Chauncey and 2 bench players to make it work out financially.

local stations are always the last to be clued in. Prob some overzealous intern who caught a post on RealGM about a twitter update from MarcSpearYahoo.

The local station I'm referring to carries the Nuggets games and it wasn't an intern but the beat writer that is very connected to the team.

FeltonandAmare wrote:

martin wrote:

FeltonandAmare wrote:I'm in Denver and the local station is saying it's a done deal. All that remains is a formal announcement. They said it was Felton, Chandler, Gallo, big waster of human skin and a first round pick for Melo, Chauncey and 2 bench players to make it work out financially.

local stations are always the last to be clued in. Prob some overzealous intern who caught a post on RealGM about a twitter update from MarcSpearYahoo.

The local station I'm referring to carries the Nuggets games and it wasn't an intern but the beat writer that is very connected to the team.

Fair enough, beat writer much different than just local station. Thanks.

blkexec wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I can't believe that I actually agree with Barkley. He also stated that this deal is turble.

I agree with Barkley too....But I also think the prior discussion with melo on Thursday must have made the knicks think twice about waiting for free agency.

I personally would love to keep Chandler, because he's the perfect 6 man to have....Plays 3 positions, and plays both ends of the floor.

But again, if Denver acting like they hold the cards, I would "pull out of the deal" just to call their bluff....Including Melo (who clearly doesn't want to sign with the Nets or Nuggets).

Take my chances adding either Paul and D.Williams in 2012.

Chandler and Gallo combined has more upside than Melo (in my opinion).....Simply because these guys play both ends of the floor. Again, just upside....Melo is still better than both right now, because he's a game changer....as a consistent scoring threat, and a closer.

But here's another point....With Melo and STAT on the team,it will be much easier to add D.Williams or D.Howard, and match up with Miami's / Celtics big three....If we have the CAP room.

I'm going back and forth on this deal....Just reminds me of the Starbury lopsided trade, but even more lopsided! And with Dolan (aka Isiah) running things now, that scares me even more.

ItalianStallion wrote:We are never going to agree because you guys are wildly over rating Melo, under rating the value and upside of our young players, not understanding that there is an opportunity cost (what else could we have done with all these assets to get even better than Melo) etc... You are also underrating the quality of the players on the Hawks.

Actually it's the reverse, you are over rating the two role players that we have. While Melo might not be in the DWade/LBJ class, he's in that next tier. I love Gallo as well, but I'm curious to see how he does in another situation. Part of me thinks that he'll close up and disappear. This open flowing system is tailor made for him, he has been inconsistent and appears afraid at times to lead. Melo made Denver relevant, he had a good denver team, but they had issues with health. They also played in the very tough Western Conference during those years. Not easy to get out the first round when your going up against the suns, spurs, lakers, etc. Hell, the rockets were balling back then with TMAC and Yao.

The Hawks are silly, they paid a crazy amount of money to joe johnson and it didn't really change their status. Their a good team, but they don't have "that guy" and for all its worth, you need "that guy"
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