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2/10/2011  9:45 AM
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Vmart wrote:MDA's downfall is and will always be is his love for small ball basketball. Last night he had no reason to not to have Moz out there getting big minutes yet he curtailed his minutes to 23 didn't any action in the 4th. MDA just doesn't get it.

it's pretty funny. some say not having enough moz cost us the game. others say too much moz cost us the game.

i actually didn't have a problem w/not playing Moz in the 4th quarter, we made the run to get back into the game with a small lineup & the Clips were playing Ike Diogu at C for a pretty long stretch in the 2nd half... but in other games i think MDA has tried to counter size by playing small ball & that has come back to bite us in the butt when we missed our 3's.

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2/10/2011  9:46 AM
Marv wrote:
Vmart wrote:MDA's downfall is and will always be is his love for small ball basketball. Last night he had no reason to not to have Moz out there getting big minutes yet he curtailed his minutes to 23 didn't any action in the 4th. MDA just doesn't get it.

it's pretty funny. some say not having enough moz cost us the game. others say too much moz cost us the game.

I watched every minute of the game. Mosgov had some good moments for sure. His size was great with the dunks. He and Amare had a couple of nice doubles where they bottled guys up with sheer size, but Mosgov also gave up free layup after free layup.

Again... this is what you live with when you develop players. First half of the year he couldnt stay on the floor because of the fouls. Now he goes stretches where he's avoiding human contact just to stay on the floor. The guy can score if you get him the ball. He needs to defend and was pretty awful for long stretches last night there. He's got to learn to find that middle ground. It takes time. I'm very happy with is development all in all

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2/10/2011  9:46 AM
Marv wrote:
Vmart wrote:MDA's downfall is and will always be is his love for small ball basketball. Last night he had no reason to not to have Moz out there getting big minutes yet he curtailed his minutes to 23 didn't any action in the 4th. MDA just doesn't get it.

it's pretty funny. some say not having enough moz cost us the game. others say too much moz cost us the game.

Yeah, I'd have to say not having Mozzilla in the game cost them since he didn't play the 4th and the team lost. But lets be truthful here this small ball shyt only work for a game here and there and once a team figures you out its over. Small ball is useful for one and done tournament in a series very tough to get that by a good team. That is why I'm a fan of conventional basketball. The bigs do the bigs thing the sf and sg spread the floor and a pg directs the team. I just find MDA ball to be a gimmick pf 3 sfs and a pg. To top it off our pf rebounds like a pus.

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2/10/2011  9:48 AM
Vmart wrote:
Marv wrote:
Vmart wrote:MDA's downfall is and will always be is his love for small ball basketball. Last night he had no reason to not to have Moz out there getting big minutes yet he curtailed his minutes to 23 didn't any action in the 4th. MDA just doesn't get it.

it's pretty funny. some say not having enough moz cost us the game. others say too much moz cost us the game.

Yeah, I'd have to say not having Mozzilla in the game cost them since he didn't play the 4th and the team lost. But lets be truthful here this small ball shyt only work for a game here and there and once a team figures you out its over. Small ball is useful for one and done tournament in a series very tough to get that by a good team. That is why I'm a fan of conventional basketball. The bigs do the bigs thing the sf and sg spread the floor and a pg directs the team. I just find MDA ball to be a gimmick pf 3 sfs and a pg. To top it off our pf rebounds like a pus.

if we fired MDA who would you hire?
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2/10/2011  9:50 AM
Marv wrote:
Vmart wrote:MDA's downfall is and will always be is his love for small ball basketball. Last night he had no reason to not to have Moz out there getting big minutes yet he curtailed his minutes to 23 didn't any action in the 4th. MDA just doesn't get it.

it's pretty funny. some say not having enough moz cost us the game. others say too much moz cost us the game.

I bet both sides can agree though that it was ultimately the coaches fault for playing him too much or too little.

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2/10/2011  9:52 AM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Marv wrote:
Vmart wrote:MDA's downfall is and will always be is his love for small ball basketball. Last night he had no reason to not to have Moz out there getting big minutes yet he curtailed his minutes to 23 didn't any action in the 4th. MDA just doesn't get it.

it's pretty funny. some say not having enough moz cost us the game. others say too much moz cost us the game.

Yeah, I'd have to say not having Mozzilla in the game cost them since he didn't play the 4th and the team lost. But lets be truthful here this small ball shyt only work for a game here and there and once a team figures you out its over. Small ball is useful for one and done tournament in a series very tough to get that by a good team. That is why I'm a fan of conventional basketball. The bigs do the bigs thing the sf and sg spread the floor and a pg directs the team. I just find MDA ball to be a gimmick pf 3 sfs and a pg. To top it off our pf rebounds like a pus.

if we fired MDA who would you hire?

To be honest I don't know. But it would have to be a defensive coach first. I have a few guys I would consider but it would depend on their availability.

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2/10/2011  9:54 AM
Andrew wrote:
Marv wrote:
Vmart wrote:MDA's downfall is and will always be is his love for small ball basketball. Last night he had no reason to not to have Moz out there getting big minutes yet he curtailed his minutes to 23 didn't any action in the 4th. MDA just doesn't get it.

it's pretty funny. some say not having enough moz cost us the game. others say too much moz cost us the game.

I bet both sides can agree though that it was ultimately the coaches fault for playing him too much or too little.

it's unanimous!

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2/10/2011  9:54 AM
fishmike wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Marv wrote:
Vmart wrote:MDA's downfall is and will always be is his love for small ball basketball. Last night he had no reason to not to have Moz out there getting big minutes yet he curtailed his minutes to 23 didn't any action in the 4th. MDA just doesn't get it.

it's pretty funny. some say not having enough moz cost us the game. others say too much moz cost us the game.

Yeah, I'd have to say not having Mozzilla in the game cost them since he didn't play the 4th and the team lost. But lets be truthful here this small ball shyt only work for a game here and there and once a team figures you out its over. Small ball is useful for one and done tournament in a series very tough to get that by a good team. That is why I'm a fan of conventional basketball. The bigs do the bigs thing the sf and sg spread the floor and a pg directs the team. I just find MDA ball to be a gimmick pf 3 sfs and a pg. To top it off our pf rebounds like a pus.

if we fired MDA who would you hire?

That's the thing. You make a decision and you go with it. We picked MDA for our rebuild and we're still in that rebuilding process.

Third year in a row there is heavy drama surrounding this team around the trade deadline. It's not good for the team. We can say what we want about how it shouldn't affect the players, this and that, but it takes its toll.

We follow through with MDA, worst thing you can do is get stuck with a limp wrist in the middle of a rebuild.

We go.

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2/10/2011  9:55 AM
fishmike wrote:
Marv wrote:
Vmart wrote:MDA's downfall is and will always be is his love for small ball basketball. Last night he had no reason to not to have Moz out there getting big minutes yet he curtailed his minutes to 23 didn't any action in the 4th. MDA just doesn't get it.

it's pretty funny. some say not having enough moz cost us the game. others say too much moz cost us the game.

I watched every minute of the game. Mosgov had some good moments for sure. His size was great with the dunks. He and Amare had a couple of nice doubles where they bottled guys up with sheer size, but Mosgov also gave up free layup after free layup.

Again... this is what you live with when you develop players. First half of the year he couldnt stay on the floor because of the fouls. Now he goes stretches where he's avoiding human contact just to stay on the floor. The guy can score if you get him the ball. He needs to defend and was pretty awful for long stretches last night there. He's got to learn to find that middle ground. It takes time. I'm very happy with is development all in all

now be honest - how hard did you get when ike the motor got in the game?

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2/10/2011  9:58 AM
Who replaces ?
DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
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2/10/2011  10:00 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:Who replaces ?

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2/10/2011  10:00 AM
No one, no one replaces . You don't give up on MDA in the middle of this. It would set us back another 2 years.

You let the dust settle. Third year in a row we have drama come deadline time. It's not healthy.

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2/10/2011  10:01 AM
Marv wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:Who replaces ?

DLeethal wrote: Lol Rick needs a safe space
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2/10/2011  10:21 AM
Dantonis system is designed for reaching only the Conference Finals while simultaneously letting his players have offensive freedom.

It's not designed to win championships, simply because he hasn't won any.

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2/10/2011  10:26 AM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Dantonis system is designed for reaching only the Conference Finals while simultaneously letting his players have offensive freedom.

It's not designed to win championships, simply because he hasn't won any.

two ideas for you:

1. get out a dictionary.

2. look up "tautology."

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2/10/2011  10:28 AM
Marv wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Dantonis system is designed for reaching only the Conference Finals while simultaneously letting his players have offensive freedom.

It's not designed to win championships, simply because he hasn't won any.

two ideas for you:

1. get out a dictionary.

2. look up "tautology."

The sooner you stop thinking like a homer, the better off you'll be. Stop denying the facts please.

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2/10/2011  10:29 AM
I feel Walsh and Dantoni are a package deal once one goes both go. I can't stand Dantoni Mosgov was causing all sorts of problems for the Clippers in the first half and what does Dantoni do he only plays his 9 minutes in the second half, and I'm sure once Turiaf comes back he will be starting again even though he is worthless on offense.
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2/10/2011  10:32 AM
Marv wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Dantonis system is designed for reaching only the Conference Finals while simultaneously letting his players have offensive freedom.

It's not designed to win championships, simply because he hasn't won any.

two ideas for you:

1. get out a dictionary.

2. look up "tautology."

he could instead:

1. go to google.com

2. type "define: tautology"

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2/10/2011  10:36 AM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Dantonis system is designed for reaching only the Conference Finals while simultaneously letting his players have offensive freedom.

It's not designed to win championships, simply because he hasn't won any.

if Robert Horry doesnt floor Steve Nash there's a good chance the Suns (best record in the NBA) win a title that year. Just like how Jeff Van Gundy isnt a good coach if Houston's floater doesnt fall at the end of game 5 in Miami
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2/10/2011  10:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2011  10:55 AM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Dantonis system is designed for reaching only the Conference Finals while simultaneously letting his players have offensive freedom.

It's not designed to win championships, simply because he hasn't won any.

Jerry Sloan's system is designed for reaching only the Conference Finals while simultaneously letting his players have offensive freedom.

It's not designed to win championships, simply because he hasn't won any.

You could insert this quote about any coach not named Phil Jackson/Greg Popovich/Pat Riley.

There's only one champion every year. It doesn't really make sense to say that every other coach other than the coach of the winning teams has a system that isn't designed to win championships.

In the past decade, the Lakers or Spurs have won 7 times. The other 3 who got just one were Miami, Detroit, and Boston. Does that mean every other coaching staff just sucked?

Since the 80s the huge majority of Championships have been won by just a few teams: The Lakers, the Celtics, The Bulls, the Pistons and the Spurs.

That's 30 years where out of 30 championships available 5 teams won TWENTY SIX of them. The lone teams that are the exceptions are Wade's Heat, Hakeem's two rocket teams, and Moses Malones 76ers team. That's it

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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