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2/6/2011  1:23 PM
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Ira wrote:I don't want to be a wet blanket, but we all know that if it sounds too good to be true, then it usually is.

Yup. NY is going to have to give up more than just AR, Chandler and Curry.

the CBS article suggests the Knicks would be giving up $3M in cash to offset the remaining salary that's owed to Curry that would facilitate a buyout once he's traded to MIN... maybe another asset will be included down the road... i'm sure this is just the general parameters that are currently being discussed... this isn't a done deal just yet.

chris broussard has often been used as a tool of Worldwide Wes and CAA. how many times has he leaked a report about melo, or lebron or any CAA client and it turns out to be untrue?

obviously this leak might mean that CAA and Melo are pushing the NY or bust angle hard right now and that might be a good thing for the Knicks... but it's not going to happen until after the all-star break, I don't think.

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2/6/2011  1:33 PM
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FrenchKnicks wrote:Aren(y you guys bothered by Dolan's involvement in that ? If he's forcing Walsh to take some action, he's giving Denver more leverage into the negociations. Things like that could take that deal to the deadline, with Denver's hoping a final push will come from Dolan so that they could receive yet an extra asset. I just HATE the fact that Dolan was mentionned in that article, I have bad feelings about that.

We can't stop Dolan from being an idiot. It is what it is.

pushing for this deal is not an idiotic move

Sure it is, because it removes us from a position of strength. We should give up no more than this in a trade. We can sign this guy in the offseason and I'm pretty positive we will. Trading valuable assets for him other than these 3 guys would be a mistake.

Plus we don't need Dolan making basketball moves for this team.

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2/6/2011  1:33 PM
crzymdups wrote:
TMS wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
Ira wrote:I don't want to be a wet blanket, but we all know that if it sounds too good to be true, then it usually is.

Yup. NY is going to have to give up more than just AR, Chandler and Curry.

the CBS article suggests the Knicks would be giving up $3M in cash to offset the remaining salary that's owed to Curry that would facilitate a buyout once he's traded to MIN... maybe another asset will be included down the road... i'm sure this is just the general parameters that are currently being discussed... this isn't a done deal just yet.

chris broussard has often been used as a tool of Worldwide Wes and CAA. how many times has he leaked a report about melo, or lebron or any CAA client and it turns out to be untrue?

obviously this leak might mean that CAA and Melo are pushing the NY or bust angle hard right now and that might be a good thing for the Knicks... but it's not going to happen until after the all-star break, I don't think.

i don't doubt DEN is going to explore other options... i just don't think they have any other options really when u consider the situation... Melo is only signing an extension w/the Knicks... his own agent is making this clear... Melo can't come out & say himself he only wants to be a Knick but he's making it as obvious as possible that's what his plan is... the only way Melo remains a Nugget is if the new CBA includes a franchise player tag that would prevent him from opting out this summer... that won't be known for months... if you're DEN i don't think u can afford to take that kind of risk... but who knows what goes through Kroenke's head, he may wait it out just to spite Melo... personally i don't get how anyone could reasonably think it would take trading away all 3 of our young guys to get Melo to NY under the present circumstances... it's pretty obvious DEN isn't in the driver's seat in these negotiations.

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2/6/2011  1:38 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
TMS wrote:
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FrenchKnicks wrote:Aren(y you guys bothered by Dolan's involvement in that ? If he's forcing Walsh to take some action, he's giving Denver more leverage into the negociations. Things like that could take that deal to the deadline, with Denver's hoping a final push will come from Dolan so that they could receive yet an extra asset. I just HATE the fact that Dolan was mentionned in that article, I have bad feelings about that.

We can't stop Dolan from being an idiot. It is what it is.

pushing for this deal is not an idiotic move

Sure it is, because it removes us from a position of strength. We should give up no more than this in a trade. We can sign this guy in the offseason and I'm pretty positive we will. Trading valuable assets for him other than these 3 guys would be a mistake.

Plus we don't need Dolan making basketball moves for this team.

there's a possibility that a franchise player tag will be included in the next CBA... there's a risk involved in waiting til free agency for both teams... if this is all it takes to get Melo to NY it's a no brainer move to make... i don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that Dolan wants star power in NY i think we can assume the Nuggets already knew Dolan wants a Melo trade to go down.

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2/6/2011  1:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/6/2011  1:48 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
TMS wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
FrenchKnicks wrote:Aren(y you guys bothered by Dolan's involvement in that ? If he's forcing Walsh to take some action, he's giving Denver more leverage into the negociations. Things like that could take that deal to the deadline, with Denver's hoping a final push will come from Dolan so that they could receive yet an extra asset. I just HATE the fact that Dolan was mentionned in that article, I have bad feelings about that.

We can't stop Dolan from being an idiot. It is what it is.

pushing for this deal is not an idiotic move

Sure it is, because it removes us from a position of strength. We should give up no more than this in a trade. We can sign this guy in the offseason and I'm pretty positive we will. Trading valuable assets for him other than these 3 guys would be a mistake.

Plus we don't need Dolan making basketball moves for this team.

I think you can't discount the value of having Melo and Amar'e beginning working on their chemistry now and maybe Felton, if he's what Walsh has decided on long term. If not Felton, you can't discount being able to immediately work on getting the next big piece to add to the mix.

That said, I really, really, really agree about not letting Dolan get his fingerprints on the team.

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2/6/2011  2:32 PM
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I hate to loose Chandler but we must do this deal now. Next week. We haven't had a deal like this since Earl the Pearl Monroe came to New York.

A good comparison. Let's hope that if the deal is done, then Melo comes in and is willing to play the defense that's necessary to get us to the next level.

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2/6/2011  2:34 PM
Sangfroid wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

I hate to loose Chandler but we must do this deal now. Next week. We haven't had a deal like this since Earl the Pearl Monroe came to New York.

A good comparison. Let's hope that if the deal is done, then Melo comes in and is willing to play the defense that's necessary to get us to the next level.

i'd settle for him playing the offense that's necessary for us to get to the next level.
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2/6/2011  2:35 PM
We need to remember that Denver can still just keep him. Carmelo is STILL under contract for next year. Denver calling his bluff on opting out is still a possibility.

I dont think Carmelo is stupid enough to opt out when he can possible go months without being able to sign a new deal.

That is why this deal makes zero sense from Denver's perspective. Paying Chandler and/or Brewer isnt what a rebuilding team does.

Did I mention Brewer is Terrible?

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2/6/2011  2:47 PM
AnubisADL wrote:We need to remember that Denver can still just keep him. Carmelo is STILL under contract for next year. Denver calling his bluff on opting out is still a possibility.

I dont think Carmelo is stupid enough to opt out when he can possible go months without being able to sign a new deal.

That is why this deal makes zero sense from Denver's perspective. Paying Chandler and/or Brewer isnt what a rebuilding team does.

Did I mention Brewer is Terrible?

So you think a guy who is a millionaire several times over can't take a few months of unemployment to land in to what would be his dream situation?

And this deal is not about Denver's perspective, they have clearly shown they don't have any. This is about them being able to save face and not be the Cavs.

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2/6/2011  2:50 PM
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I dont think Carmelo is stupid enough to opt out when he can possible go months without being able to sign a new deal.

Players don't get paid during a lockout, while under contract or not. Going months, weeks or whatever at that point really won't change much.

You gotta believe Melo wants this done sooner then later. The odds of pay-cuts are probably much higher then the NBA being able to change previously signed deals.

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2/6/2011  2:52 PM
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AnubisADL wrote:We need to remember that Denver can still just keep him. Carmelo is STILL under contract for next year. Denver calling his bluff on opting out is still a possibility.

I dont think Carmelo is stupid enough to opt out when he can possible go months without being able to sign a new deal.

That is why this deal makes zero sense from Denver's perspective. Paying Chandler and/or Brewer isnt what a rebuilding team does.

Did I mention Brewer is Terrible?

So you think a guy who is a millionaire several times over can't take a few months of unemployment to land in to what would be his dream situation?

And this deal is not about Denver's perspective, they have clearly shown they don't have any. This is about them being able to save face and not be the Cavs.

The Cavs were capped out with or without Lebron. Denver is not capped out this summer if they lose Carmelo.

Source: http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/nuggets.jsp

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2/6/2011  3:11 PM
Chris Mannix SI is reporting this:

Sources say that while Minnesota is motivated to acquire Anthony Randolph, MIN not interested in moving Brewer/pick in a deal.
5 minutes ago via web
Three team deal between Knicks, Nuggets, Wolves "not close" to happening, sources directly involved in discussions told SI

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2/6/2011  3:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/6/2011  3:29 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Chris Mannix SI is reporting this:

Sources say that while Minnesota is motivated to acquire Anthony Randolph, MIN not interested in moving Brewer/pick in a deal.
5 minutes ago via web
Three team deal between Knicks, Nuggets, Wolves "not close" to happening, sources directly involved in discussions told SI

Minny has 14 players right now. They can only do a 1 for 1 or 1 for 2. Their player count differential in any trade has to be a +1 or less. Unless they want a 2nd rounder to be included or rights to another player we have like Jerome Jordan.

EDIT: Denver is in the same situation.
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2/6/2011  3:33 PM
^Also, Minny has been dangling their 1st rounder for AR. The price it seems to get what they want is to include Brewer who has been unhappy in Minny. At least that is what I heard. Brewer has not been producing there so I don't see why they would not do the deal.
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2/6/2011  3:51 PM
NYKBocker wrote:^Also, Minny has been dangling their 1st rounder for AR. The price it seems to get what they want is to include Brewer who has been unhappy in Minny. At least that is what I heard. Brewer has not been producing there so I don't see why they would not do the deal.

Minny has been dangling a first rounder they own. That pick doesnt have to be their lottery pick. It could be another teams pick they own.

Source: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_future_draftpicks.php

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2/6/2011  3:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/6/2011  4:00 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:^Also, Minny has been dangling their 1st rounder for AR. The price it seems to get what they want is to include Brewer who has been unhappy in Minny. At least that is what I heard. Brewer has not been producing there so I don't see why they would not do the deal.

Minny has been dangling a first rounder they own. That pick doesnt have to be their lottery pick. It could be another teams pick they own.

Source: http://basketball.realgm.com/src_future_draftpicks.php

according to this the T'Wolves' 1st round pick this summer is owned by the Clippers top 10 protected... the T'Wolves have Utah & Memphis' lottery protected picks

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2011 first round draft pick from Utah
Utah’s own 2011 first round pick to Minnesota (top 16 protected in the 2011 draft, top 14 protected in 2012 and top 12 protected in the 2013 draft). If Utah has not conveyed a first round pick to Minnesota by 2014 and also if Utah’s own 2014 first round is not within the top 9 picks, then Minnesota will have the option to swap their own 2014 first round pick with Utah’s own 2014 first round pick. If Minnesota does not receive a first round pick by the 2013 draft and also does not swap 2014 first round picks with Utah, then Minnesota will receive Utah’s own 2014 second round pick. [Minnesota - Utah, 7/13/2010]

2011 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' own 2011 1st round pick to Minnesota via Utah (top 14 protected in 2011, top 12 protected in 2012, top 10 protected in 2013, top 9 protected in 2014, top 9 protected in the 2015 Draft). If Minnesota does not receive a 1st round pick from Memphis by the 2015 Draft, then Minnesota will receive cash considerations from Memphis. [Memphis - Utah, 2/18/2010 and then Minnesota - Utah, 7/13/2010]

2014 second round draft pick from New Orleans
New Orleans' own 2014 2nd round pick to Minnesota. [Minnesota-New Orleans, 9/9/2009]

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Minnesota's own 2011 1st round pick to the L.A. Clippers ( top 10 protected in 2011, and unprotected in the 2012 Draft). [LA Clippers - Minnesota, 8/12/2005]

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2/6/2011  4:53 PM
^Then Minny is most likely dangling the Memphis pick that would be around pick #14.
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2/6/2011  5:00 PM
misterearl wrote:Yawn

Wake me up when the trade actually happens.

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2/6/2011  5:10 PM
OasisBU wrote:
misterearl wrote:Yawn

Wake me up when the trade actually happens.

Wake me up too. Please, wake me up, I don't want to oversleep and miss the trade.

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2/6/2011  5:30 PM
THe delay is all about Denver trying desperately to try to improve the deal. They have no leverage and the delay is just stalling to find a way to save face. In the end they can't win this battle. They need to just get it over with and move on.
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