nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think most of us know what kind of talent AR has, which is why we were hopeful that he'd have more of an impact this year. Don't look to blame his failings on MDA! IF he was ready to contribute he had the same opportunity to do so that Fields and Williams had. He's the only one to blame for his not being able to crack the rotation. If at any time in practice or a game that AR looked like he did in those clips MDA would gladly play the kid. HE's never even been a shadow of the player he showed last year.

this isn't a blame game, i'm campaigning for him to see more minutes, period... MDA needs to realize the talent he's got on that bench & utilize it... give AR a chance to succeed & i think his talent will show through... not once has AR seen extended minutes in any games this year other than one 28 minute stint early in the season when he was still trying to learn a new system... u telling me that's a fair sample to judge where he's at as a basketball player? gimme a break.

I think MDA wants to at least see some signs of AR getting it in practice. We read good things about TImo before the last game and I remember reading the same things about Williams before he got a shot. It's not too much to ask for a coach to see that a player understands his role and can execute in practice before he gets a shot in a game. Mike gave him a shot and he did well. Maybe now he gets more of a look in more games this year. There's still time left to get it going.

i agree it's up to AR to prove to MDA that he can handle regular minutes load, but at some point the coach has to show him some faith & give him the chance... let him stay on the floor beyond just an 8-12 minute stretch & see if he can do something the way he did with Mozgov the other night... it's hard for a young player trying to learn a system to perform up to his talents & get into the flow of the game if he's constantly having to look over his shoulder to see when the coach is gonna pull him out.

Turiaf .634
Amare .501
Williams .471
Chandler .465
Gallo .424
Timofey .419

The average shooting average of Knicks Centers and Forwards i.e. the positions that Randolph might play is .485
The average shooting average of Anthony Randolph for the season is .282

Its earned. You make assumptions like he is not given a chance. He is lower on the food chain.

He still could earn his stripes. This is what everyone wants.

YOu want blind faith? Not gonna happen. Mozzy got his chance and he stepped up.

I hope AR is so good he eats everyones minutes!

Youtube shows an athlete doing some nice things.

Warriors did not trade AR for Dlee. It was a sign and trade. A way for us to continue the cap space with Bukke expiring and Turiaf servicable. Warriors gave up on him. Lets be real. He is a prospect. Im my eyes the youtube clips and the fanboy kool aid HOPE we had for the kid elevated our hopes. I prefer we keep the kid and let him grow up. YOu do realize he would be an asset in any Melo trade this year?

Don't blame MDA for not playing him. Blame Williams!

Nalod wrote:AR was given a chance. He did not step up. Williams barely made the team. He is getting minutes.

Its earned. You make assumptions like he is not given a chance. He is lower on the food chain.

He still could earn his stripes. This is what everyone wants.

YOu want blind faith? Not gonna happen. Mozzy got his chance and he stepped up.

I hope AR is so good he eats everyones minutes!

Youtube shows an athlete doing some nice things.

Warriors did not trade AR for Dlee. It was a sign and trade. A way for us to continue the cap space with Bukke expiring and Turiaf servicable. Warriors gave up on him. Lets be real. He is a prospect. Im my eyes the youtube clips and the fanboy kool aid HOPE we had for the kid elevated our hopes. I prefer we keep the kid and let him grow up. YOu do realize he would be an asset in any Melo trade this year?

Don't blame MDA for not playing him. Blame Williams!

1. MDA doesn't know basketball, he doesn't understand how AR could help
2. MDA is spiteful and childish, he doesn't want to play AR out of a personal hatred
3. MDA is terrible at evaluating and developing young players, Fields, Williams, Gallo, and Douglas are all bums

Come on. MDA sees this guy every day, in practice, all over the place. He is the best judge of what AR can do and if AR is ready. Whatever the problem with AR is, I'm 100% it's valid and rationally founded.

TMS wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:So really what's going on is some people here think AR is not getting time because:

1. MDA doesn't know basketball, he doesn't understand how AR could help
2. MDA is spiteful and childish, he doesn't want to play AR out of a personal hatred
3. MDA is terrible at evaluating and developing young players, Fields, Williams, Gallo, and Douglas are all bums

Come on. MDA sees this guy every day, in practice, all over the place. He is the best judge of what AR can do and if AR is ready. Whatever the problem with AR is, I'm 100% it's valid and rationally founded.

yeah, that's exactly what we've been discussing all along... that MDA doesn't know basketball, that he is spiteful & childish & has a personal hatred for AR, & that Fields, Williams, Gallo & Douglas are all bums... wow, your powers of observation are the stuff of legend... maybe u can point out where those points were made on this thread so the illiterate among us can share in your enlightened state of being?

Every one of your posts boils down to "AR should be playing, it's an error that he is not playing". Since MDA is the guy in charge, it follows that this error is on his part.

TMS wrote:

Nalod wrote:AR was given a chance. He did not step up. Williams barely made the team. He is getting minutes.

Its earned. You make assumptions like he is not given a chance. He is lower on the food chain.

He still could earn his stripes. This is what everyone wants.

YOu want blind faith? Not gonna happen. Mozzy got his chance and he stepped up.

I hope AR is so good he eats everyones minutes!

Youtube shows an athlete doing some nice things.

Warriors did not trade AR for Dlee. It was a sign and trade. A way for us to continue the cap space with Bukke expiring and Turiaf servicable. Warriors gave up on him. Lets be real. He is a prospect. Im my eyes the youtube clips and the fanboy kool aid HOPE we had for the kid elevated our hopes. I prefer we keep the kid and let him grow up. YOu do realize he would be an asset in any Melo trade this year?

Don't blame MDA for not playing him. Blame Williams!

dude, AR was the central piece of that D Lee transaction for the Warriors, not some excess throw in piece that they gave to us as garbage filler... & Mozgov came in & looked horrible in the first 10 minutes to start off the game & committed 2 early fouls... in any other game he would have been yanked, but MDA stuck w/him & he was able to get into a groove & put up some huge #'s... u telling me the same can't happen w/AR when he's already shown he can play like that in previous games before he was a Knick?

& if AR gets an opportunity to play & proves his worth, then maybe we don't have to give up quite so much in a Melo trade... or maybe we can afford to give up someone else because we have AR to take his place in the rotation? you do realize the possibilities that having a talented young player showcased on your roster affords a team, don't u?

When you trade 3 for 1 those are considered fillers(pieces that will make the deal work) would you trade david lee staight up for AR with all his gobs of talent, hell know you wouldn't, same goes for rony and AZ.

You basically want to sacrifce wins at the expense of getting AR some good minutes, the hell with playoffs, lets just groom AR for the future. If someone goes down, AR will see minutes just like Mosgov and he should make the best of it (which in the pass he didn't)..

The 5 to 6 good games that AR had last year doesn't execatly negate the 20 or so horrible games he had last year, and it's unfortunate that we can't goto youtbe and pull up all his missed assigments on defense, and mind boggling shots on offense.

knicks1248 wrote:

TMS wrote:

Nalod wrote:AR was given a chance. He did not step up. Williams barely made the team. He is getting minutes.

Its earned. You make assumptions like he is not given a chance. He is lower on the food chain.

He still could earn his stripes. This is what everyone wants.

YOu want blind faith? Not gonna happen. Mozzy got his chance and he stepped up.

I hope AR is so good he eats everyones minutes!

Youtube shows an athlete doing some nice things.

Warriors did not trade AR for Dlee. It was a sign and trade. A way for us to continue the cap space with Bukke expiring and Turiaf servicable. Warriors gave up on him. Lets be real. He is a prospect. Im my eyes the youtube clips and the fanboy kool aid HOPE we had for the kid elevated our hopes. I prefer we keep the kid and let him grow up. YOu do realize he would be an asset in any Melo trade this year?

Don't blame MDA for not playing him. Blame Williams!

dude, AR was the central piece of that D Lee transaction for the Warriors, not some excess throw in piece that they gave to us as garbage filler... & Mozgov came in & looked horrible in the first 10 minutes to start off the game & committed 2 early fouls... in any other game he would have been yanked, but MDA stuck w/him & he was able to get into a groove & put up some huge #'s... u telling me the same can't happen w/AR when he's already shown he can play like that in previous games before he was a Knick?

& if AR gets an opportunity to play & proves his worth, then maybe we don't have to give up quite so much in a Melo trade... or maybe we can afford to give up someone else because we have AR to take his place in the rotation? you do realize the possibilities that having a talented young player showcased on your roster affords a team, don't u?

When you trade 3 for 1 those are considered fillers(pieces that will make the deal work) would you trade david lee staight up for AR with all his gobs of talent, hell know you wouldn't, same goes for rony and AZ.

You basically want to sacrifce wins at the expense of getting AR some good minutes, the hell with playoffs, lets just groom AR for the future. If someone goes down, AR will see minutes just like Mosgov and he should make the best of it (which in the pass he didn't)..

The 5 to 6 good games that AR had last year doesn't execatly negate the 20 or so horrible games he had last year, and it's unfortunate that we can't goto youtbe and pull up all his missed assigments on defense, and mind boggling shots on offense.

Its not easy to memorize where MDA wants you to be in his system at different times. Perhaps AR's problem is that he thinks winning basketball is about scoring points and getting rebounds. He probably wants Mike to turn him loose and let him do his thing. Mike, on the other hand, insists that AR do what all of his other players have had to do, i.e. learn to play within the system or not play at all. For Mike to let AR play in his system without learning what he specifically needs to do in most situations, is something that Mike would never do.

You are correct that AR's career scoring average is .445. The fact that he shoots .280 for the Knicks is a strong indication that he is still quite ill at ease within the Knick's system. AR's lack of discipline does show up in one of his career stats. He has made 1 out of 12 shots from 3 point range in his NBA career. I find his willingness to shoot 12 shots while making one from that range to be undisciplined and also not that interested in helping his team win. Continuing to shoot threes when you are such a bad long range shooter is one reason that AR doesn't play winning basketball.

rvwink wrote:You are correct that AR's career scoring average is .445. The fact that he shoots .280 for the Knicks is a strong indication that he is still quite ill at ease within the Knick's system. AR's lack of discipline does show up in one of his career stats. He has made 1 out of 12 shots from 3 point range in his NBA career. I find his willingness to shoot 12 shots while making one from that range to be undisciplined and also not that interested in helping his team win. Continuing to shoot threes when you are such a bad long range shooter is one reason that AR doesn't play winning basketball.

wow, 12 3-pt shot attempts in 111 career games played makes him an undisciplined chucker not interested in helping his team win? what's that average out to, like 1 3-pt attempt every 9.25 games? do u even remember how those attempts even came? maybe a few were at the end of a quarter where he had to chuck up any shot attempt before the end of the period, or maybe a few were when the shotclock winded down & he got the ball in his hands where he had to attempt something before a violation? i've watched AR in a handful of games before he became a Knick & i never remember him attempting a single 3 pt shot, i've seen him get his shot attempts off mostly in transition, offensive tipins & dunks, & a few times running off screens for midrange J's or creating shots off dribble penetration... i've seen him make some nice plays that ignite the crowd on the defensive end as well... i'm sure other guys have watched him a lot more than me that might shed more light on how AR is in terms of chucking up 3 pt shots but the numbers don't really say much.