[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

SI reporter tweets: Exec involved in talks: "Melo will sign with Jersey. Nets are completely convinced of that now."
Author Thread
Nalod
Posts: 71181
Alba Posts: 155
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
1/10/2011  3:57 PM

Melo, like Lebron might not be the sharpest crayon in the box and his reprentitives might not have his total interests in mind.

What we know and what he is telling his people:

1. I want my money

2. I want to play for the knicks

3. I want to play for a winning team

He can have two of the three.

what we can figure is if knicks go all in they are talented thin out side of their 3.

Those three are not Miami three. Felton is not as good as wade, Amare is not better than Lebron, Melo is about even with Bosh. Ok, say he is better, but not a better rebounder, Not a better shot blocker. WE need that.

Melo wants in, he can come. He is invited to JOIN us. Come to knicks as starphuck savior and not deliver because the roster is not constructed properly then his dream turns to nightmare. Sucking in NY is no fun!

AUTOADVERT
GustavBahler
Posts: 42817
Alba Posts: 15
Joined: 7/12/2010
Member: #3186

1/10/2011  4:00 PM
No fan of Melo here, he does make some valid points..

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/01/10/the-increasingly-poor-decisions-of-carmelo-anthony/

The increasingly poor decisions of Carmelo Anthony

On a late-night bus ride in Beijing, at the 2008 Olympics, I talked with a highly respected NBA reporter who was extremely familiar with Carmelo Anthony. He said he would take Carmelo over Chris Bosh; I argued the opposite, based on Anthony’s history of boneheaded moves, mostly off the court. He just didn’t seem like someone you could trust with your franchise, I said.

Of course, the way Bosh burned bridges on the way out of Toronto, at best neither one of us was really right.

With that in mind, I’m starting to think that Carmelo Anthony could use better representation. Not to demean Leon Rose, the agent for the Denver Nuggets star, or fellow CAA powerbroker William Wesley, who is apparently also chatting away in his ear, but the decisions that Carmelo makes increasingly seem to be, er, poorly thought-out. Like, James Dolan-style.

This all started in the summer of 2006, when the stellar draft class of 2003 were deciding whether to re-sign with the teams that had chosen them. At the time, LeBron James stayed in Cleveland; Chris Bosh stayed in Toronto; Dwyane Wade stayed in Miami; Carmelo stayed in Denver. Oh, and Darko Milicic had been traded from Detroit to Orlando with Carlos Arroyo for a first-round pick and journeyman centre Kelvin Cato, whose gold Rolls Royce may have been the most cartoonishly extravagant car I have ever seen in person.

But while James, Bosh and Wade agreed to sign four-year deals with an opt-out clause after three, Carmelo stuck with a five-year deal. This, clearly, was dumb. Partly, it was dumb because the deal would carry over into the strange unknown world of a new collective bargaining agreement, which even then was believed to be headed towards more restrictive terms, and which now seems destined to be achieved after a lockout of indeterminate length and rancor.

So while LeBron, Wade and Bosh were all eligible for six-year, US$121-million contracts when they were free agents last summer — remember last summer? — Carmelo is now eligible to sign a three-year, US$65-million extension, and then another deal in a far less congenial labour environment. If he doesn’t sign by the time this CBA expires, then who knows how many millions he will lose?

As it stands, the money is not the only thing Carmelo missed. While Bosh, LeBron and Wade were putting together a team which has won 21 of its last 22 games, and which I still say will win in the neighbourhood of five championships barring catastrophic injury or a misplaced meteor, Carmelo seems destined to join … the New Jersey Nets.

Great move, Carmelo. Yeah, you wanted to go to the Knicks, but they didn’t have the trade assets after razing the village in a doomed attempt to grab LeBron. After an awfully drawn-out trade negotiation — the possible fruits of which are detailed here — it’s New Jersey.

Which means that Carmelo Anthony would make a lousy general manager, too. He reportedly has eased his hardline stance against an extension in Jersey thanks to the possible inclusion of 33-year-old shooting guard Rip Hamilton, and also his current teammate, 34-year-old point guard Chauncey Billups.

So, great. Those three, plus young and apparently regressing centre Brook Lopez, would make for an excellent sixth seed in the East, where to be out of the playoff race you essentially need to have set off a bomb in your locker room (see: Cleveland). The Nets are 10-27 now, and made such canny acquisitions this summer as Travis Outlaw (five years, US$35-million, .379 shooting, 12.0 points per game), along with Anthony Morrow and Johan Petro, who will be sent away if the trade goes through. Oh, and Outlaw essentially plays Carmelo’s position, by the way.

So what I’m saying is that Carmelo Anthony has made mistakes, and seems destined to make more. Forget the possibility of signing Chris Paul in 2012 for a minute; ignore the Nets’ pending move to Brooklyn. This is a franchise with a rookie owner and a retread general manager (Billy King, who didn’t exactly maximize the Allen Iverson era in Philly, the 2001 Finals appearance notwithstanding), and that has just about no hope of getting into the weight category of the Miami Heat.

Had he not gone for the five-year deal in 2006, Carmelo could have landed in New York with Amare Stoudemire, or with a New Jersey team that didn’t have to send away it’s No. 3 overall pick to get him. Hell, he could have landed with Blake Griffin and the Clippers. He could have enjoyed the whirl of the chase in the mad summer of 2010, rather than boxed himself into a corner as the lockout of 2011 looms ever nearer.

Instead, Denver is trying to squeeze every penny, and New Jersey is putting together a second-rate squad — we haven’t even mentioned a long-term extension for Billups, which is a terrible idea — and really, if Rip Hamilton was the tiebreaker, Denver could just trade for him and keep Carmelo, right? Well, except ‘Melo’s wife, MTV personality LaLa, apparently wants to be closer to New York. As Ken Berger of CBS Sports tweeted, “Rival team exec on Melo’s rationale: “He wants the money and he wants to be in New York. He gets the city he wants for the money he wants.”

So there you have it. Say what you will about LeBron and Bosh and Wade, and Lord knows everybody has, but they’re trying to forge a dynasty. For Carmelo, meanwhile — well, forget winning, forget good teams, forget championships. It’s the shallow end of the NBA pool, is what it is, and someone should convince him different. But good advice, it seems, can be hard to find.

Panos
Posts: 30087
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 1/6/2004
Member: #520
1/10/2011  4:12 PM
Let him go to NJ. He's going to be the Mitch Richmond of his time.
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
1/10/2011  4:31 PM
GustavBahler wrote:No fan of Melo here, he does make some valid points..

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/01/10/the-increasingly-poor-decisions-of-carmelo-anthony/

The increasingly poor decisions of Carmelo Anthony

On a late-night bus ride in Beijing, at the 2008 Olympics, I talked with a highly respected NBA reporter who was extremely familiar with Carmelo Anthony. He said he would take Carmelo over Chris Bosh; I argued the opposite, based on Anthony’s history of boneheaded moves, mostly off the court. He just didn’t seem like someone you could trust with your franchise, I said.

Of course, the way Bosh burned bridges on the way out of Toronto, at best neither one of us was really right.

With that in mind, I’m starting to think that Carmelo Anthony could use better representation. Not to demean Leon Rose, the agent for the Denver Nuggets star, or fellow CAA powerbroker William Wesley, who is apparently also chatting away in his ear, but the decisions that Carmelo makes increasingly seem to be, er, poorly thought-out. Like, James Dolan-style.

This all started in the summer of 2006, when the stellar draft class of 2003 were deciding whether to re-sign with the teams that had chosen them. At the time, LeBron James stayed in Cleveland; Chris Bosh stayed in Toronto; Dwyane Wade stayed in Miami; Carmelo stayed in Denver. Oh, and Darko Milicic had been traded from Detroit to Orlando with Carlos Arroyo for a first-round pick and journeyman centre Kelvin Cato, whose gold Rolls Royce may have been the most cartoonishly extravagant car I have ever seen in person.

But while James, Bosh and Wade agreed to sign four-year deals with an opt-out clause after three, Carmelo stuck with a five-year deal. This, clearly, was dumb. Partly, it was dumb because the deal would carry over into the strange unknown world of a new collective bargaining agreement, which even then was believed to be headed towards more restrictive terms, and which now seems destined to be achieved after a lockout of indeterminate length and rancor.

So while LeBron, Wade and Bosh were all eligible for six-year, US$121-million contracts when they were free agents last summer — remember last summer? — Carmelo is now eligible to sign a three-year, US$65-million extension, and then another deal in a far less congenial labour environment. If he doesn’t sign by the time this CBA expires, then who knows how many millions he will lose?

As it stands, the money is not the only thing Carmelo missed. While Bosh, LeBron and Wade were putting together a team which has won 21 of its last 22 games, and which I still say will win in the neighbourhood of five championships barring catastrophic injury or a misplaced meteor, Carmelo seems destined to join … the New Jersey Nets.

Great move, Carmelo. Yeah, you wanted to go to the Knicks, but they didn’t have the trade assets after razing the village in a doomed attempt to grab LeBron. After an awfully drawn-out trade negotiation — the possible fruits of which are detailed here — it’s New Jersey.

Which means that Carmelo Anthony would make a lousy general manager, too. He reportedly has eased his hardline stance against an extension in Jersey thanks to the possible inclusion of 33-year-old shooting guard Rip Hamilton, and also his current teammate, 34-year-old point guard Chauncey Billups.

So, great. Those three, plus young and apparently regressing centre Brook Lopez, would make for an excellent sixth seed in the East, where to be out of the playoff race you essentially need to have set off a bomb in your locker room (see: Cleveland). The Nets are 10-27 now, and made such canny acquisitions this summer as Travis Outlaw (five years, US$35-million, .379 shooting, 12.0 points per game), along with Anthony Morrow and Johan Petro, who will be sent away if the trade goes through. Oh, and Outlaw essentially plays Carmelo’s position, by the way.

So what I’m saying is that Carmelo Anthony has made mistakes, and seems destined to make more. Forget the possibility of signing Chris Paul in 2012 for a minute; ignore the Nets’ pending move to Brooklyn. This is a franchise with a rookie owner and a retread general manager (Billy King, who didn’t exactly maximize the Allen Iverson era in Philly, the 2001 Finals appearance notwithstanding), and that has just about no hope of getting into the weight category of the Miami Heat.

Had he not gone for the five-year deal in 2006, Carmelo could have landed in New York with Amare Stoudemire, or with a New Jersey team that didn’t have to send away it’s No. 3 overall pick to get him. Hell, he could have landed with Blake Griffin and the Clippers. He could have enjoyed the whirl of the chase in the mad summer of 2010, rather than boxed himself into a corner as the lockout of 2011 looms ever nearer.

Instead, Denver is trying to squeeze every penny, and New Jersey is putting together a second-rate squad — we haven’t even mentioned a long-term extension for Billups, which is a terrible idea — and really, if Rip Hamilton was the tiebreaker, Denver could just trade for him and keep Carmelo, right? Well, except ‘Melo’s wife, MTV personality LaLa, apparently wants to be closer to New York. As Ken Berger of CBS Sports tweeted, “Rival team exec on Melo’s rationale: “He wants the money and he wants to be in New York. He gets the city he wants for the money he wants.”

So there you have it. Say what you will about LeBron and Bosh and Wade, and Lord knows everybody has, but they’re trying to forge a dynasty. For Carmelo, meanwhile — well, forget winning, forget good teams, forget championships. It’s the shallow end of the NBA pool, is what it is, and someone should convince him different. But good advice, it seems, can be hard to find.

wow... an NBA player who's a crappy financial planner & makes bad financial decisions off the court... i've never heard of anything like that before! /sarcasm

does any of this even matter? who cares if Melo is stupid managing his money? the guy can play the game of basketball better than everyone on our team with the possible exception of Amare... over the past few weeks i've heard some really ridiculous excuses being drummed up by some people not to get this guy, but this one has to take the cake.

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
1/10/2011  4:34 PM
GustavBahler wrote:No fan of Melo here, he does make some valid points..

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/01/10/the-increasingly-poor-decisions-of-carmelo-anthony/

The increasingly poor decisions of Carmelo Anthony

On a late-night bus ride in Beijing, at the 2008 Olympics, I talked with a highly respected NBA reporter who was extremely familiar with Carmelo Anthony. He said he would take Carmelo over Chris Bosh; I argued the opposite, based on Anthony’s history of boneheaded moves, mostly off the court. He just didn’t seem like someone you could trust with your franchise, I said.

Of course, the way Bosh burned bridges on the way out of Toronto, at best neither one of us was really right.

With that in mind, I’m starting to think that Carmelo Anthony could use better representation. Not to demean Leon Rose, the agent for the Denver Nuggets star, or fellow CAA powerbroker William Wesley, who is apparently also chatting away in his ear, but the decisions that Carmelo makes increasingly seem to be, er, poorly thought-out. Like, James Dolan-style.

This all started in the summer of 2006, when the stellar draft class of 2003 were deciding whether to re-sign with the teams that had chosen them. At the time, LeBron James stayed in Cleveland; Chris Bosh stayed in Toronto; Dwyane Wade stayed in Miami; Carmelo stayed in Denver. Oh, and Darko Milicic had been traded from Detroit to Orlando with Carlos Arroyo for a first-round pick and journeyman centre Kelvin Cato, whose gold Rolls Royce may have been the most cartoonishly extravagant car I have ever seen in person.

But while James, Bosh and Wade agreed to sign four-year deals with an opt-out clause after three, Carmelo stuck with a five-year deal. This, clearly, was dumb. Partly, it was dumb because the deal would carry over into the strange unknown world of a new collective bargaining agreement, which even then was believed to be headed towards more restrictive terms, and which now seems destined to be achieved after a lockout of indeterminate length and rancor.

So while LeBron, Wade and Bosh were all eligible for six-year, US$121-million contracts when they were free agents last summer — remember last summer? — Carmelo is now eligible to sign a three-year, US$65-million extension, and then another deal in a far less congenial labour environment. If he doesn’t sign by the time this CBA expires, then who knows how many millions he will lose?

As it stands, the money is not the only thing Carmelo missed. While Bosh, LeBron and Wade were putting together a team which has won 21 of its last 22 games, and which I still say will win in the neighbourhood of five championships barring catastrophic injury or a misplaced meteor, Carmelo seems destined to join … the New Jersey Nets.

Great move, Carmelo. Yeah, you wanted to go to the Knicks, but they didn’t have the trade assets after razing the village in a doomed attempt to grab LeBron. After an awfully drawn-out trade negotiation — the possible fruits of which are detailed here — it’s New Jersey.

Which means that Carmelo Anthony would make a lousy general manager, too. He reportedly has eased his hardline stance against an extension in Jersey thanks to the possible inclusion of 33-year-old shooting guard Rip Hamilton, and also his current teammate, 34-year-old point guard Chauncey Billups.

So, great. Those three, plus young and apparently regressing centre Brook Lopez, would make for an excellent sixth seed in the East, where to be out of the playoff race you essentially need to have set off a bomb in your locker room (see: Cleveland). The Nets are 10-27 now, and made such canny acquisitions this summer as Travis Outlaw (five years, US$35-million, .379 shooting, 12.0 points per game), along with Anthony Morrow and Johan Petro, who will be sent away if the trade goes through. Oh, and Outlaw essentially plays Carmelo’s position, by the way.

So what I’m saying is that Carmelo Anthony has made mistakes, and seems destined to make more. Forget the possibility of signing Chris Paul in 2012 for a minute; ignore the Nets’ pending move to Brooklyn. This is a franchise with a rookie owner and a retread general manager (Billy King, who didn’t exactly maximize the Allen Iverson era in Philly, the 2001 Finals appearance notwithstanding), and that has just about no hope of getting into the weight category of the Miami Heat.

Had he not gone for the five-year deal in 2006, Carmelo could have landed in New York with Amare Stoudemire, or with a New Jersey team that didn’t have to send away it’s No. 3 overall pick to get him. Hell, he could have landed with Blake Griffin and the Clippers. He could have enjoyed the whirl of the chase in the mad summer of 2010, rather than boxed himself into a corner as the lockout of 2011 looms ever nearer.

Instead, Denver is trying to squeeze every penny, and New Jersey is putting together a second-rate squad — we haven’t even mentioned a long-term extension for Billups, which is a terrible idea — and really, if Rip Hamilton was the tiebreaker, Denver could just trade for him and keep Carmelo, right? Well, except ‘Melo’s wife, MTV personality LaLa, apparently wants to be closer to New York. As Ken Berger of CBS Sports tweeted, “Rival team exec on Melo’s rationale: “He wants the money and he wants to be in New York. He gets the city he wants for the money he wants.”

So there you have it. Say what you will about LeBron and Bosh and Wade, and Lord knows everybody has, but they’re trying to forge a dynasty. For Carmelo, meanwhile — well, forget winning, forget good teams, forget championships. It’s the shallow end of the NBA pool, is what it is, and someone should convince him different. But good advice, it seems, can be hard to find.


Wow, that's a very interesting article
jimimou
Posts: 23517
Alba Posts: 36
Lame Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 6/6/2004
Member: #681
USA
1/10/2011  4:51 PM
here are the facts on melo from what i can tell:

- he said he wanted to come to ny
- he wants to get paid
- lala wants her mtv
- melo holds the cards on where he will play next year, not denver.

so, i say sit back now and see what happens. will melo make the knicks btr? i say yes, plenty of others agree. some disagree. either way, the knicks franchise is, and will continue to be relevant, w or without him.

if he REALLY wants to come here, he can make that happen in a few ways:

1) he could be traded anywhere denver wants to trade him and not sign an extension (ie: be a rented player for a few months until the end of the season until he is a RFA).

2) he could agree to a sign and trade w NJ.

3) roll the dice and not agree to anything this year, play out the year w denver, screw them in the process and go sign w the knicks in the summer.

4) he could not do anything and sign his extension w denver.


basically, he's in control so, its on him now right? DW did his part to suggest to denver what we're offering. if they dont like it, then let them rot.

the choice melo makes will define him as a person/player for the remainder of his career. if he choses to sign with NJ, just to get paid and be in the NY area, well that says something about him and his character - "I want my money and f everything else" remember, unlike a lebron, or anyone else in last year's free agent class. him (and chris paul) were the only ones to say they wanted to play w the knicks.

now, if he sticks to his guns, gambles a bit on the future unknown (CBA) and chooses the knicks, whatever the method he uses to land here eventually, that says something about him too.

JohnWallace44
Posts: 25119
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 6/14/2005
Member: #910
USA
1/10/2011  4:53 PM
I think that's a terrible article. Just because Bosh, LeBron and Wade had a pinky swear deal, what does that have to do with Melo taking the most money he could guarantee himself at the time?

Carmelo is a tweener forward. He's made himself one of the best players in the game. Antoine was once one of the better players in the league and fell off quickly. He wasn't on Melo's level, but how could Melo know that he would be sitting here in 2011, still very healthy, still putting up huge numbers, still leading a playoff team?

Carmelo made a conservative move. It was a guessing game in 2008 as to what would happen with the CBA. The league is much much more popular than it was in 2008. The fact is that he should be able to make more after the new CBA while trading off the ability to get paid if he's injured or gets fat and lazy a la Jerome James.

So, what? A team shouldn't make Melo their franchise guy because he took the biggest, longest deal he could in 2008? That's insane. You'd better bring a better take than that NationalPost.

I have no idea if Melo is the right player to get the Knicks over the top, but he's going to make one fan-base very happy.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
GustavBahler
Posts: 42817
Alba Posts: 15
Joined: 7/12/2010
Member: #3186

1/10/2011  5:02 PM
TMS wrote:
does any of this even matter? who cares if Melo is stupid managing his money? the guy can play the game of basketball better than everyone on our team with the possible exception of Amare... over the past few weeks i've heard some really ridiculous excuses being drummed up by some people not to get this guy, but this one has to take the cake.

Try decaf there TMS. I said that the article made some valid pts, specifically about him limiting his options with that 5 year deal. Never said or implied that it should be the determining factor as to whether Melo should come here or not. I've spoken favorably about Melo coming here many times, where I disagree with some is when to do it.

martin
Posts: 76261
Alba Posts: 108
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #2
USA
1/10/2011  5:02 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:I think that's a terrible article. Just because Bosh, LeBron and Wade had a pinky swear deal, what does that have to do with Melo taking the most money he could guarantee himself at the time?

1 semi-incorrect fact. Melo didn't take the most money he could guarantee himself at the time, he chose to have his opt out 1 year later than the rest. I gotta think that he was under similar contract $-wise. His agent FUBAR'ed that.

Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
MS
Posts: 27060
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/28/2004
Member: #724
1/10/2011  5:05 PM
Everyone should read David Falk's book "The Bold Truth"

If you think Carmelo is an idiot, you will be amazing about how clueless more than half the league used to be.

Magic Johnson signing for $25 million for 25 years
Karl Malone getting paid less than guys that made one All-Star team, not to mention Greg Ostertag
Pippen making peanuts.
Journey men talent Falk got more than the top All-Stars in the league

Falk telling Magic he would take more money as his agent, but he would get him millions more in deals, and Johnson the self proclaimed bi-ness man turning him down.

Guys can't get out of there own way. And lets not forgot the owners/gms that have basically capped out and destroyed there teams

TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
1/10/2011  5:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/10/2011  5:24 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
TMS wrote:
does any of this even matter? who cares if Melo is stupid managing his money? the guy can play the game of basketball better than everyone on our team with the possible exception of Amare... over the past few weeks i've heard some really ridiculous excuses being drummed up by some people not to get this guy, but this one has to take the cake.

Try decaf there TMS. I said that the article made some valid pts, specifically about him limiting his options with that 5 year deal. Never said or implied that it should be the determining factor as to whether Melo should come here or not. I've spoken favorably about Melo coming here many times, where I disagree with some is when to do it.

i don't get the validity of any of the points in regards to why the Knicks should want him or not... what does the fact he chose to sign a 5 year deal instead of 4 have anything to do w/his ability as a basketball player to make us a better team? btw, i wasn't directing my last comment towards u but more at the writer of this article trying to point some kinds of correlations between the 2.

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
GustavBahler
Posts: 42817
Alba Posts: 15
Joined: 7/12/2010
Member: #3186

1/10/2011  5:23 PM
TMS wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
TMS wrote:
does any of this even matter? who cares if Melo is stupid managing his money? the guy can play the game of basketball better than everyone on our team with the possible exception of Amare... over the past few weeks i've heard some really ridiculous excuses being drummed up by some people not to get this guy, but this one has to take the cake.

Try decaf there TMS. I said that the article made some valid pts, specifically about him limiting his options with that 5 year deal. Never said or implied that it should be the determining factor as to whether Melo should come here or not. I've spoken favorably about Melo coming here many times, where I disagree with some is when to do it.

i don't get the validity of any of the points in regards to why the Knicks should want him or not... what does the fact he chose to sign a 5 year deal instead of 4 have anything to do w/his ability as a basketball player to make us a better team? btw, i wasn't directing my last comment towards u but more at the writer of this article trying to point some kinds of correlations between the 2.

Got it. He does sound like he has a beef.

EwingsGlass
Posts: 27504
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 4/29/2005
Member: #893
USA
1/10/2011  5:39 PM
If Denver insisted that the Knicks take back Billups and Harrington in any deal for Melo, notwithstanding the ludicrous number of players we would need to deal to get the deal done, would anyone make a deal of:

Curry, Gallo, Randolph, Mozgov, Turiaf, Azubuike, Douglas and Walker $3M and 2 future #1s for:

Melo, Billups and Harrington

That leaves us with no big men and over the cap. So we would need to sign a C to the vet minimum (Earl Barron?) and use the MLE next year on a big man.

That gives you a small ball rotation of:

Amare
Chandler
Melo
Fields
Felton

Billups
Harrington
Williams

If some of those players could be sent to other teams, I think it might give them the fresh start they want.

You know I gonna spin wit it
GustavBahler
Posts: 42817
Alba Posts: 15
Joined: 7/12/2010
Member: #3186

1/10/2011  5:41 PM
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/10/carmelo-anthony-hints-the-knicks-may-not-want-him-but-says-little-else-monday/

Carmelo Anthony hints the Knicks may not want him but says little else Monday

Kurt Helin

Jan 10, 2011, 4:31 PM EST

Denver Nuggets v New York Knicks

Carmelo Anthony practiced with the Denver Nuggets Monday — a sign that nothing is imminent — as did everyone else whose name has come up in recent trade talks. The exception was Chauncey Billups (officially due to a headache, which I bet all the trade rumors are for him).

Anthony spoke to the media Monday but sounded more out of the loop on what is going down than you imagine he actually is. There was this one interesting quote though, via the twitter of Chris Tomasson of FanHouse, about the New York Knicks:

“New York is playing well right now. I don’t think they’re looking at me. They wouldn’t want me to come in there and mess what they have up. That’s what I’ve read so.”

The entire island of Manhattan just yelled “WHAT!?!”

You can be sure the Knicks and their fans still want Anthony. Badly (although maybe not Amar’e Stoudemire). But aside that quote you got no real sense of what Anthony is planning other than to suit up for the Nuggets Tuesday (again quotes are via Tomasson). For example, would he sign an extension with the Nets?

“I really don’t know. I’m waiting to see Masai (Ujiri, Denver’s executive vice president of basketball operations) and Josh (Kroenke, the Nuggets president)… They haven’t been here. So I’m just patiently waiting until they get back so I have a sitdown with them.”

“I’m here… Until something happens, I’m a Denver Nugget.”

“I got a game tomorrow against Phoenix. So if I go out there tomorrow thinking about the New Jersey Nets that will disrespectful to myself. That would be disrespectful to this organization and to the fans out there.”

He could be a Nugget for a while longer.

This is a complex, 15-player, three-team trade that keeps evolving. The core of it would send Anthony, Billups and Rip Hamilton to New Jersey; Devin Harris, Derrick Favors, some other players and a couple first round picks to the Nuggets; and Troy Murphy and Johan Petro to the Pistons along with picks. But questions about whether Al Harrington is part, what picks and more continue to be negotiated.

Anthony reiterated again that he didn’t think anything was going to happen this week, saying there was no pressure that makes this have to happen in the next 48 hours. Also, there is no real pressure on the Nuggets to make a move so long as New Jersey’s core deal is still on the table — and the Nets are not likely to pull it off because they want Anthony. They want the Brooklyn native to open the new arena in Brooklyn in two years.

So while there is a lot of heat right now, we could be in this fire for a while. The trading deadline is Feb. 24.

TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
1/10/2011  5:53 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:If Denver insisted that the Knicks take back Billups and Harrington in any deal for Melo, notwithstanding the ludicrous number of players we would need to deal to get the deal done, would anyone make a deal of:

Curry, Gallo, Randolph, Mozgov, Turiaf, Azubuike, Douglas and Walker $3M and 2 future #1s for:

Melo, Billups and Harrington

That leaves us with no big men and over the cap. So we would need to sign a C to the vet minimum (Earl Barron?) and use the MLE next year on a big man.

That gives you a small ball rotation of:

Amare
Chandler
Melo
Fields
Felton

Billups
Harrington
Williams

If some of those players could be sent to other teams, I think it might give them the fresh start they want.

Billups wants to stay in DEN or be bought out... if they don't have to deal him to NJ as part of a Melo deal, i doubt they'd force the Knicks to take his contract, they mine as well keep him... right now that proposed deal to NJ sounds a lot like they already know that Billups would be bought out as part of the deal & return to the Nuggets on a minimum contract... that pretty much saves them some dollars on the remainder of his contract this season, almost the same as swapping cash but giving forth the appearance that more talent is coming NJ's way in the deal.

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
EwingsGlass
Posts: 27504
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 4/29/2005
Member: #893
USA
1/10/2011  6:21 PM
I don't disagree with your analysis of the Billups concerns, but if Billups is to be bought out, do you really think that teaming with Rip Hamilton and Brook Lopez w/o a point guard is an improvement over what Melo has in Denver? I don't. Meanwhile, on a team that just got gutted, I think Billups may change his mind quickly as to where he wants to play.

In any event, I don't think the hold up is the Denver management, I still don't think Melo is approving this trade.

You know I gonna spin wit it
Killa4luv
Posts: 27769
Alba Posts: 51
Joined: 6/23/2002
Member: #261
USA
1/10/2011  6:38 PM
The person who wins a negotiation is the one who can get callouses on their ass.

The knicks don't have to rush and Neither does Melo. Denver doesn't want to be left with nothing. Knicks just need to send the message that we want him and to be patient. We can give denver a good package, but we aint taking all that crap back, and we're not giving away our whole team.

I dont believe this deal with NJ is real. I think Denver is trying to play chicken.

TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
1/10/2011  7:10 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:I don't disagree with your analysis of the Billups concerns, but if Billups is to be bought out, do you really think that teaming with Rip Hamilton and Brook Lopez w/o a point guard is an improvement over what Melo has in Denver? I don't. Meanwhile, on a team that just got gutted, I think Billups may change his mind quickly as to where he wants to play.

In any event, I don't think the hold up is the Denver management, I still don't think Melo is approving this trade.

i agree, i don't think Melo would be coming to a better situation in terms of quality of team if he agreed to come to NJ, but we all know he's got some personal investment drawing him to the NY area... if he can manage it while still being on a team that can contend for the playoffs, it might satisfy his desires... i still believe he wants the Knicks to make a trade for him now so he can collect his dollars while coming to the team of his choice, but doesn't seem like the Nuggets wanna play ball at all w/us... i guess it's up to Melo whether he wants to risk losing money by waiting til free agency or settling for the NJ Nets.

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
Papabear
Posts: 24373
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 3/31/2007
Member: #1414

1/10/2011  8:15 PM
TMS wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:I don't disagree with your analysis of the Billups concerns, but if Billups is to be bought out, do you really think that teaming with Rip Hamilton and Brook Lopez w/o a point guard is an improvement over what Melo has in Denver? I don't. Meanwhile, on a team that just got gutted, I think Billups may change his mind quickly as to where he wants to play.

In any event, I don't think the hold up is the Denver management, I still don't think Melo is approving this trade.

i agree, i don't think Melo would be coming to a better situation in terms of quality of team if he agreed to come to NJ, but we all know he's got some personal investment drawing him to the NY area... if he can manage it while still being on a team that can contend for the playoffs, it might satisfy his desires... i still believe he wants the Knicks to make a trade for him now so he can collect his dollars while coming to the team of his choice, but doesn't seem like the Nuggets wanna play ball at all w/us... i guess it's up to Melo whether he wants to risk losing money by waiting til free agency or settling for the NJ Nets.

Papabear Says

For 7 years Carmelo gave his all to this team. Things didn't work out so now he wants to leave. I think that it's Denver who is disrespecting Melo. He played his heart out for this team. If the Knicks really didn't have anything to offer that is one thing.We do have something to offer. Just obey his wishes and send him to New York.

Papabear
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
1/10/2011  8:19 PM
Papabear wrote:
TMS wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:I don't disagree with your analysis of the Billups concerns, but if Billups is to be bought out, do you really think that teaming with Rip Hamilton and Brook Lopez w/o a point guard is an improvement over what Melo has in Denver? I don't. Meanwhile, on a team that just got gutted, I think Billups may change his mind quickly as to where he wants to play.

In any event, I don't think the hold up is the Denver management, I still don't think Melo is approving this trade.

i agree, i don't think Melo would be coming to a better situation in terms of quality of team if he agreed to come to NJ, but we all know he's got some personal investment drawing him to the NY area... if he can manage it while still being on a team that can contend for the playoffs, it might satisfy his desires... i still believe he wants the Knicks to make a trade for him now so he can collect his dollars while coming to the team of his choice, but doesn't seem like the Nuggets wanna play ball at all w/us... i guess it's up to Melo whether he wants to risk losing money by waiting til free agency or settling for the NJ Nets.

Papabear Says

For 7 years Carmelo gave his all to this team. Things didn't work out so now he wants to leave. I think that it's Denver who is disrespecting Melo. He played his heart out for this team. If the Knicks really didn't have anything to offer that is one thing.We do have something to offer. Just obey his wishes and send him to New York.

i think NY wants Melo to wait it out & see if DEN can be pressured into accepting a lower package of talent for him at the deadline from us, but Melo's people are pushing for a trade now so they don't have to risk a deal not getting done & him losing out on potential salary on his extension, which pretty much takes money out of his agents' pockets too.

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
SI reporter tweets: Exec involved in talks: "Melo will sign with Jersey. Nets are completely convinced of that now."

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy