Bippity10 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TMS wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:TMS you keep ignoring the answer to your own question. Mike said that Timo got the nod cuz in practice he was actually doing the right things and looking good. He just couldn't translate that into games. His nerves got the best of him and he couldn't execute something as simple as catching the ball. He kept giving him a chance to see if he calmed down and the game slowed down for him. He did actually know what he was doing tho and aside from fouling too much. He was in the right spots, set good picks, passed well and moved well. AR hadn't even looked good in practice....

i get the fact that AR has looked brutal... just can't understand how a guy who put up the kinds of stats he did last year can regress into being a player he is now in such a short period of time... IMO this has more to do w/a mental thing w/AR than anything else... this isn't a question of talent or ability to produce... i think a player like this needs to be given more reign to work through his issues on the court in a rebuilding situation, much in the same way the Nets are trying to groom Derrick Favors, & much in the same way i thought the Knicks should have been doing with Jordan Hill last season... unfortunately we're no longer in a rebuilding situation, so i don't think it's ever going to work out for AR here... it's too bad DW's decision to trade D Lee for him hasn't reaped the type of value i thought it once did, but i'm not gonna kill him for making the move... i doubt he ever would have traded for him if he knew he'd never get any run, & i believe the same holds true for his decision to draft Jordan Hill last year.

12 points and 6 rebounds? The team had 26 wins. Sounds like extensive garbage time stats to me.

I'm trying to figure out why the love for is guy. Has he really ever done anything in this league to warrant these types of statements?

Please explain why you think he is good at all currently.

He is just a kid...enjoy Shawnee Williams while the rest of us enjoy this season.

i posted a thread answering your question last week:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=37574

take a look at some of those statlines... there are some pretty eye popping statlines that tell me he's more than just a flash in the pan type player on a garbage team... if AR were putting up those stats on our crappy 29 win team last year would you still think he was nothing to get excited about?

Any chance you can get me win loss record in those games? I'm done with stats in loss players. These Knicks are about wins, not players that don't know their roles or are 7 foot tall centers that shoot jumpers as soon as they get the ball. again

I like Randolph, but have no problem with him not playing as we beat Oklahoma, the spurs and the suns.

listen, there are plenty of players putting up stats on bad teams that i think could help this franchise... i guess it just took a few games of garbage minutes of him playing in a new system for a new coach for everyone to make up their minds around here that AR sucks even though he put up some impressive statlines last year... personally i don't think u can ignore those numbers, they're enough of a sample of games to show u this kid can play this game & play it at a high level... Wilson & Gallo put up #'s playing on just as shytty of a team as AR played on last year... not sure how a guy like AR goes from someone with superstar potential to a bust in the span of 3 months... if he was putting up those #'s on the Knicks last year i doubt anyone would be OK with a guy like Bill Walker or Timofey Mozgov seeing minutes ahead of him in the rotation.

but whatever, i'm not saying i think we should play AR right now... he clearly isn't playing well... i just have a problem w/this franchise using up our best assets for players that never get any run... sick of seeing it... that don't mean i'm not happy about how the team's been playing this year just like anyone else.

It actually was the first exhibition game where the players coach decided he would be the guy that was going to get screamed at this year if he made a mistake. I don't think it can be emphasized enough that Randolph is the youngest guy on the team and he is only 21. He isn't a finished person in any aspect of his life. He might need a bit more from his coach then some of the other guys. In my opinion he has gotten less. I don't think that excuses poor performances for anyone who is getting paid but as an organization it seems like the mentality would be to do what is best for this guy, to figure out what he needs to be successful. I think the exact opposite is happening. He is now the last guy off the bench in blow outs. He has always been the guy the coach screamed at this year. He appears to have been disregarded by the coach and is no longer being dealt with. D'Antoni has moved on and either does not have the time or will not devote the time to help this kid have success in NY.

Do you think that first exhibition game that you saw was the first time the staff had seen him this year??? Is it possible they have been trying to teach him something for weeks(during training camp) only to watch him do the exact opposite the moment he stepped on the floor. I've been there. No coach tolerates that nonsense

MDA is yelling at AR the most cause he is ****ing up the most. He also yells at TD a lot. Or any other player who ****s up. AR seems to do it every other play, you know, when he gets garbage time. Same as Done Nelson, seems to be a pattern.

Notice how Spurs coach kept yelling at his players when they messed up? He was really focused on it and gamethread posts noticed it.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TMS wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:TMS you keep ignoring the answer to your own question. Mike said that Timo got the nod cuz in practice he was actually doing the right things and looking good. He just couldn't translate that into games. His nerves got the best of him and he couldn't execute something as simple as catching the ball. He kept giving him a chance to see if he calmed down and the game slowed down for him. He did actually know what he was doing tho and aside from fouling too much. He was in the right spots, set good picks, passed well and moved well. AR hadn't even looked good in practice....

i get the fact that AR has looked brutal... just can't understand how a guy who put up the kinds of stats he did last year can regress into being a player he is now in such a short period of time... IMO this has more to do w/a mental thing w/AR than anything else... this isn't a question of talent or ability to produce... i think a player like this needs to be given more reign to work through his issues on the court in a rebuilding situation, much in the same way the Nets are trying to groom Derrick Favors, & much in the same way i thought the Knicks should have been doing with Jordan Hill last season... unfortunately we're no longer in a rebuilding situation, so i don't think it's ever going to work out for AR here... it's too bad DW's decision to trade D Lee for him hasn't reaped the type of value i thought it once did, but i'm not gonna kill him for making the move... i doubt he ever would have traded for him if he knew he'd never get any run, & i believe the same holds true for his decision to draft Jordan Hill last year.

12 points and 6 rebounds? The team had 26 wins. Sounds like extensive garbage time stats to me.

I'm trying to figure out why the love for is guy. Has he really ever done anything in this league to warrant these types of statements?

Please explain why you think he is good at all currently.

He is just a kid...enjoy Shawnee Williams while the rest of us enjoy this season.

i posted a thread answering your question last week:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=37574

take a look at some of those statlines... there are some pretty eye popping statlines that tell me he's more than just a flash in the pan type player on a garbage team... if AR were putting up those stats on our crappy 29 win team last year would you still think he was nothing to get excited about?

Any chance you can get me win loss record in those games? I'm done with stats in loss players. These Knicks are about wins, not players that don't know their roles or are 7 foot tall centers that shoot jumpers as soon as they get the ball. again

I like Randolph, but have no problem with him not playing as we beat Oklahoma, the spurs and the suns.

listen, there are plenty of players putting up stats on bad teams that i think could help this franchise... i guess it just took a few games of garbage minutes of him playing in a new system for a new coach for everyone to make up their minds around here that AR sucks even though he put up some impressive statlines last year... personally i don't think u can ignore those numbers, they're enough of a sample of games to show u this kid can play this game & play it at a high level... Wilson & Gallo put up #'s playing on just as shytty of a team as AR played on last year... not sure how a guy like AR goes from someone with superstar potential to a bust in the span of 3 months... if he was putting up those #'s on the Knicks last year i doubt anyone would be OK with a guy like Bill Walker or Timofey Mozgov seeing minutes ahead of him in the rotation.

but whatever, i'm not saying i think we should play AR right now... he clearly isn't playing well... i just have a problem w/this franchise using up our best assets for players that never get any run... sick of seeing it... that don't mean i'm not happy about how the team's been playing this year just like anyone else.

It actually was the first exhibition game where the players coach decided he would be the guy that was going to get screamed at this year if he made a mistake. I don't think it can be emphasized enough that Randolph is the youngest guy on the team and he is only 21. He isn't a finished person in any aspect of his life. He might need a bit more from his coach then some of the other guys. In my opinion he has gotten less. I don't think that excuses poor performances for anyone who is getting paid but as an organization it seems like the mentality would be to do what is best for this guy, to figure out what he needs to be successful. I think the exact opposite is happening. He is now the last guy off the bench in blow outs. He has always been the guy the coach screamed at this year. He appears to have been disregarded by the coach and is no longer being dealt with. D'Antoni has moved on and either does not have the time or will not devote the time to help this kid have success in NY.

Do you think that first exhibition game that you saw was the first time the staff had seen him this year??? Is it possible they have been trying to teach him something for weeks(during training camp) only to watch him do the exact opposite the moment he stepped on the floor. I've been there. No coach tolerates that nonsense

If you go back to the game thread people were very surprised by the reaction from D'Antoni. It was over the top. The Knicks after their big summer were in a very close game with Milan. For whatever reason, D'Antoni seemed to channel his frustration at Randolph. It didn't fit the situation or the personality of the coach and quite a few people reacted to it on the game thread. I think there is a pattern with this coach and some young players. If they have talent but need coaching, structure and teaching to achieve their potential they do not get to play and are cast aside. The only player to break through this was Douglas but his dnps didn't start until Walsh traveled with the team on the March road trip last year.

Jim Calhoun makes D'Antoni seem like a sissy. Yet somehow his players find a way to work hard and get the most out of their abilities. I repeat, if Randolph can't handle a coach yelling at him, he is never going to survive in NY. It ain't the coach, it's him. Secondly, you have no idea if he is getting yelled at every day unreasonably, is getting yelled at every now and then, or iss being coddled every minute of every day. We don't know any of this. What we have is a quick clip from a game and have jumped to conclusions on how he is being treated based on that??

Now I ask the question, what young guys have come to NY, been yelled at been destroyed by D'Antoni. It seems that the only guys are Hill, Darko and AR. All of them, also have rumors swirling around them, about lack of work ethic(with one admitting it). How do you think Pat Riley and Ewing and Oakley and Mason and Starks and Harper would handle a young guy that didn't work hard? I'm just not seeing this revolving door of young guys that D'Antoni can't develop. He seems to have done a pretty good job with some of the other young guys here.

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:CrushAlotOnAR, so because there were a few people in a gamethread that thought MDA was focusing his yelling on AR means something?

MDA is yelling at AR the most cause he is ****ing up the most. He also yells at TD a lot. Or any other player who ****s up. AR seems to do it every other play, you know, when he gets garbage time. Same as Done Nelson, seems to be a pattern.

Notice how Spurs coach kept yelling at his players when they messed up? He was really focused on it and gamethread posts noticed it.

Its not something that I track but I have only seen him yell at the young guys. I will watch to see if Amare or Felton are ever screamed at when they mess up.

Wow

Bippity10 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TMS wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:TMS you keep ignoring the answer to your own question. Mike said that Timo got the nod cuz in practice he was actually doing the right things and looking good. He just couldn't translate that into games. His nerves got the best of him and he couldn't execute something as simple as catching the ball. He kept giving him a chance to see if he calmed down and the game slowed down for him. He did actually know what he was doing tho and aside from fouling too much. He was in the right spots, set good picks, passed well and moved well. AR hadn't even looked good in practice....

i get the fact that AR has looked brutal... just can't understand how a guy who put up the kinds of stats he did last year can regress into being a player he is now in such a short period of time... IMO this has more to do w/a mental thing w/AR than anything else... this isn't a question of talent or ability to produce... i think a player like this needs to be given more reign to work through his issues on the court in a rebuilding situation, much in the same way the Nets are trying to groom Derrick Favors, & much in the same way i thought the Knicks should have been doing with Jordan Hill last season... unfortunately we're no longer in a rebuilding situation, so i don't think it's ever going to work out for AR here... it's too bad DW's decision to trade D Lee for him hasn't reaped the type of value i thought it once did, but i'm not gonna kill him for making the move... i doubt he ever would have traded for him if he knew he'd never get any run, & i believe the same holds true for his decision to draft Jordan Hill last year.

12 points and 6 rebounds? The team had 26 wins. Sounds like extensive garbage time stats to me.

I'm trying to figure out why the love for is guy. Has he really ever done anything in this league to warrant these types of statements?

Please explain why you think he is good at all currently.

He is just a kid...enjoy Shawnee Williams while the rest of us enjoy this season.

i posted a thread answering your question last week:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=37574

take a look at some of those statlines... there are some pretty eye popping statlines that tell me he's more than just a flash in the pan type player on a garbage team... if AR were putting up those stats on our crappy 29 win team last year would you still think he was nothing to get excited about?

Any chance you can get me win loss record in those games? I'm done with stats in loss players. These Knicks are about wins, not players that don't know their roles or are 7 foot tall centers that shoot jumpers as soon as they get the ball. again

I like Randolph, but have no problem with him not playing as we beat Oklahoma, the spurs and the suns.

listen, there are plenty of players putting up stats on bad teams that i think could help this franchise... i guess it just took a few games of garbage minutes of him playing in a new system for a new coach for everyone to make up their minds around here that AR sucks even though he put up some impressive statlines last year... personally i don't think u can ignore those numbers, they're enough of a sample of games to show u this kid can play this game & play it at a high level... Wilson & Gallo put up #'s playing on just as shytty of a team as AR played on last year... not sure how a guy like AR goes from someone with superstar potential to a bust in the span of 3 months... if he was putting up those #'s on the Knicks last year i doubt anyone would be OK with a guy like Bill Walker or Timofey Mozgov seeing minutes ahead of him in the rotation.

but whatever, i'm not saying i think we should play AR right now... he clearly isn't playing well... i just have a problem w/this franchise using up our best assets for players that never get any run... sick of seeing it... that don't mean i'm not happy about how the team's been playing this year just like anyone else.

It actually was the first exhibition game where the players coach decided he would be the guy that was going to get screamed at this year if he made a mistake. I don't think it can be emphasized enough that Randolph is the youngest guy on the team and he is only 21. He isn't a finished person in any aspect of his life. He might need a bit more from his coach then some of the other guys. In my opinion he has gotten less. I don't think that excuses poor performances for anyone who is getting paid but as an organization it seems like the mentality would be to do what is best for this guy, to figure out what he needs to be successful. I think the exact opposite is happening. He is now the last guy off the bench in blow outs. He has always been the guy the coach screamed at this year. He appears to have been disregarded by the coach and is no longer being dealt with. D'Antoni has moved on and either does not have the time or will not devote the time to help this kid have success in NY.

Do you think that first exhibition game that you saw was the first time the staff had seen him this year??? Is it possible they have been trying to teach him something for weeks(during training camp) only to watch him do the exact opposite the moment he stepped on the floor. I've been there. No coach tolerates that nonsense

If you go back to the game thread people were very surprised by the reaction from D'Antoni. It was over the top. The Knicks after their big summer were in a very close game with Milan. For whatever reason, D'Antoni seemed to channel his frustration at Randolph. It didn't fit the situation or the personality of the coach and quite a few people reacted to it on the game thread. I think there is a pattern with this coach and some young players. If they have talent but need coaching, structure and teaching to achieve their potential they do not get to play and are cast aside. The only player to break through this was Douglas but his dnps didn't start until Walsh traveled with the team on the March road trip last year.

Jim Calhoun makes D'Antoni seem like a sissy. Yet somehow his players find a way to work hard and get the most out of their abilities. I repeat, if Randolph can't handle a coach yelling at him, he is never going to survive in NY. It ain't the coach, it's him. Secondly, you have no idea if he is getting yelled at every day unreasonably, is getting yelled at every now and then, or iss being coddled every minute of every day. We don't know any of this. What we have is a quick clip from a game and have jumped to conclusions on how he is being treated based on that??

Now I ask the question, what young guys have come to NY, been yelled at been destroyed by D'Antoni. It seems that the only guys are Hill, Darko and AR. All of them, also have rumors swirling around them, about lack of work ethic(with one admitting it). How do you think Pat Riley and Ewing and Oakley and Mason and Starks and Harper would handle a young guy that didn't work hard? I'm just not seeing this revolving door of young guys that D'Antoni can't develop. He seems to have done a pretty good job with some of the other young guys here.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TMS wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:TMS you keep ignoring the answer to your own question. Mike said that Timo got the nod cuz in practice he was actually doing the right things and looking good. He just couldn't translate that into games. His nerves got the best of him and he couldn't execute something as simple as catching the ball. He kept giving him a chance to see if he calmed down and the game slowed down for him. He did actually know what he was doing tho and aside from fouling too much. He was in the right spots, set good picks, passed well and moved well. AR hadn't even looked good in practice....

i get the fact that AR has looked brutal... just can't understand how a guy who put up the kinds of stats he did last year can regress into being a player he is now in such a short period of time... IMO this has more to do w/a mental thing w/AR than anything else... this isn't a question of talent or ability to produce... i think a player like this needs to be given more reign to work through his issues on the court in a rebuilding situation, much in the same way the Nets are trying to groom Derrick Favors, & much in the same way i thought the Knicks should have been doing with Jordan Hill last season... unfortunately we're no longer in a rebuilding situation, so i don't think it's ever going to work out for AR here... it's too bad DW's decision to trade D Lee for him hasn't reaped the type of value i thought it once did, but i'm not gonna kill him for making the move... i doubt he ever would have traded for him if he knew he'd never get any run, & i believe the same holds true for his decision to draft Jordan Hill last year.

12 points and 6 rebounds? The team had 26 wins. Sounds like extensive garbage time stats to me.

I'm trying to figure out why the love for is guy. Has he really ever done anything in this league to warrant these types of statements?

Please explain why you think he is good at all currently.

He is just a kid...enjoy Shawnee Williams while the rest of us enjoy this season.

i posted a thread answering your question last week:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=37574

take a look at some of those statlines... there are some pretty eye popping statlines that tell me he's more than just a flash in the pan type player on a garbage team... if AR were putting up those stats on our crappy 29 win team last year would you still think he was nothing to get excited about?

Any chance you can get me win loss record in those games? I'm done with stats in loss players. These Knicks are about wins, not players that don't know their roles or are 7 foot tall centers that shoot jumpers as soon as they get the ball. again

I like Randolph, but have no problem with him not playing as we beat Oklahoma, the spurs and the suns.

listen, there are plenty of players putting up stats on bad teams that i think could help this franchise... i guess it just took a few games of garbage minutes of him playing in a new system for a new coach for everyone to make up their minds around here that AR sucks even though he put up some impressive statlines last year... personally i don't think u can ignore those numbers, they're enough of a sample of games to show u this kid can play this game & play it at a high level... Wilson & Gallo put up #'s playing on just as shytty of a team as AR played on last year... not sure how a guy like AR goes from someone with superstar potential to a bust in the span of 3 months... if he was putting up those #'s on the Knicks last year i doubt anyone would be OK with a guy like Bill Walker or Timofey Mozgov seeing minutes ahead of him in the rotation.

but whatever, i'm not saying i think we should play AR right now... he clearly isn't playing well... i just have a problem w/this franchise using up our best assets for players that never get any run... sick of seeing it... that don't mean i'm not happy about how the team's been playing this year just like anyone else.

It actually was the first exhibition game where the players coach decided he would be the guy that was going to get screamed at this year if he made a mistake. I don't think it can be emphasized enough that Randolph is the youngest guy on the team and he is only 21. He isn't a finished person in any aspect of his life. He might need a bit more from his coach then some of the other guys. In my opinion he has gotten less. I don't think that excuses poor performances for anyone who is getting paid but as an organization it seems like the mentality would be to do what is best for this guy, to figure out what he needs to be successful. I think the exact opposite is happening. He is now the last guy off the bench in blow outs. He has always been the guy the coach screamed at this year. He appears to have been disregarded by the coach and is no longer being dealt with. D'Antoni has moved on and either does not have the time or will not devote the time to help this kid have success in NY.

Do you think that first exhibition game that you saw was the first time the staff had seen him this year??? Is it possible they have been trying to teach him something for weeks(during training camp) only to watch him do the exact opposite the moment he stepped on the floor. I've been there. No coach tolerates that nonsense

If you go back to the game thread people were very surprised by the reaction from D'Antoni. It was over the top. The Knicks after their big summer were in a very close game with Milan. For whatever reason, D'Antoni seemed to channel his frustration at Randolph. It didn't fit the situation or the personality of the coach and quite a few people reacted to it on the game thread. I think there is a pattern with this coach and some young players. If they have talent but need coaching, structure and teaching to achieve their potential they do not get to play and are cast aside. The only player to break through this was Douglas but his dnps didn't start until Walsh traveled with the team on the March road trip last year.

Jim Calhoun makes D'Antoni seem like a sissy. Yet somehow his players find a way to work hard and get the most out of their abilities. I repeat, if Randolph can't handle a coach yelling at him, he is never going to survive in NY. It ain't the coach, it's him. Secondly, you have no idea if he is getting yelled at every day unreasonably, is getting yelled at every now and then, or iss being coddled every minute of every day. We don't know any of this. What we have is a quick clip from a game and have jumped to conclusions on how he is being treated based on that??

Now I ask the question, what young guys have come to NY, been yelled at been destroyed by D'Antoni. It seems that the only guys are Hill, Darko and AR. All of them, also have rumors swirling around them, about lack of work ethic(with one admitting it). How do you think Pat Riley and Ewing and Oakley and Mason and Starks and Harper would handle a young guy that didn't work hard? I'm just not seeing this revolving door of young guys that D'Antoni can't develop. He seems to have done a pretty good job with some of the other young guys here.

In regards to Darko, I think he knew and understood the coach wasn't going to play him and just gave up. After being traded he went from going back to Europe to signing a big contract, leading the league in blocks and prior to getting hurt was written up as a darkhorse for most improved player. Also, you left Douglas out. I am not going to go back and check but I believe Douglas had 26 dnps in the first 63 games last year and didn't play until Walsh traveled with the team to "evaluate the players and coaching staff." Hill is the starting center in Houston now and while he hasn't blown anyone away he is playing well. Everything I have read about him there has been positive. Adelman has said that he needs to be more consistent and when he got there last year Battier talked about how it was like he had missed an entire year of development during his time in NY. There is a pattern with this coach. He has favorites and guys that he doesn't do well with that he ends up not dealing with and disregarding. If I was Randolph's agent I would be begging for a trade. Randolph has looked horrible on the court this year. But he also has talent and was the guy that was the key acquisition for Walsh in the Lee trade. I don't know why his play has detoriated so much since he got to NY. It seems to get worse as the year goes on. It maybe Randolph, it maybe his injury and it maybe that he has to look over his shoulder whenever he is on the court. Whatever the reason he needs to be traded.

Again, every coach has his favorites, why can't you guys get this. IF you do what the coach says, you tend to be a favorite, if you don't you tend not to be.

As for Darko, how do you know a coach isn't going to play you. What type of nonsense is that. And if you are winning professional why wouldn't you work on your game anyway so you can get better for the next team? What benefit was Darko getting out of quitting? Is this what you would do? When I went to college my coach told me I would probably not get much time. Not for one minute did I quit. I spent every minute of my life trying to get better to earn minutes. I'm well respected for that by the way, and it opened doors to more opportunities by the way. If I had quit, how would I have gotten better? Darko thought "maybe I might not play. I haven't been told this, but it's looking this way". So then he quit. And you guys take his side on this????????? Were you born after the Ewing era?

We have no idea why Hill did not play. But rumors are that he came to camp out of shape and did not work hard all season. Again, we take his side???????? How would Phil Jackson handle a guy like that?

CrushAlot wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Crush: If AR was scoring 25 points a game and carrying a city on his shoulders he would not be getting yelled at. He's shooting 29% from the field, getting beat down the court by his man, taking crazy shots, and looking out of place on the floor. This is why he's getting yelled at.

Young guys get yelled at more in every sport. Because veteran mistakes tend to be physical mistakes, while young guys learning the game tend to make more mental mistakes. So they pay their dues like all the young guys that came before them, suck it up, listen to teh coaches, stop crying and produce. When you do, magically the yelling goes away.

I agree. I just don't think this guy ever had a chance in NY. Moz got minutes as a 24 year old free agent. It seems like the GM's big trade acquisition could have at least gotten some token minutes. I think Randolph is done here anyway.

Randolph did get token minutes early. He was in the rotation early in the season. He was just so bad that he was taken out of the rotation, just like Mozgov was, and just like Roger Mason was. Unfortunately for AR, the team has upped the ante and has stepped up their play. AR needs to do the same. The bar has been set far higher then it was when we were 3-8. AR needs to step it up as well. Shawn Williams and Landry Fields who are young guys got a chance just like Mozgov and AR did. But they continue to play well and have not wasted their opportunities. They raised the level of their games just like the rest of the team. So they get minutes. What benefit does it have for the Knicks to lower the bar just to please AR and give him minutes?

i mean seeing as how important he is for us to take the next step we oughta give the kid a chance...

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:CrushAlotOnAR, so because there were a few people in a gamethread that thought MDA was focusing his yelling on AR means something?

MDA is yelling at AR the most cause he is ****ing up the most. He also yells at TD a lot. Or any other player who ****s up. AR seems to do it every other play, you know, when he gets garbage time. Same as Done Nelson, seems to be a pattern.

Notice how Spurs coach kept yelling at his players when they messed up? He was really focused on it and gamethread posts noticed it.

Its not something that I track but I have only seen him yell at the young guys. I will watch to see if Amare or Felton are ever screamed at when they mess up.

I have to call bull**** on this post. Sorry.

TMS wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:As for Darko, how do you know a coach isn't going to play you. What type of nonsense is that. And if you are winning professional why wouldn't you work on your game anyway so you can get better for the next team? What benefit was Darko getting out of quitting? Is this what you would do? When I went to college my coach told me I would probably not get much time. Not for one minute did I quit. I spent every minute of my life trying to get better to earn minutes. I'm well respected for that by the way, and it opened doors to more opportunities by the way. If I had quit, how would I have gotten better? Darko thought "maybe I might not play. I haven't been told this, but it's looking this way". So then he quit. And you guys take his side on this????????? Were you born after the Ewing era?

We have no idea why Hill did not play. But rumors are that he came to camp out of shape and did not work hard all season. Again, we take his side???????? How would Phil Jackson handle a guy like that?

Darko did say he shut himself down after he figured out things were going to be in NY... to me that suggests that he came here thinking he would be a part of the rotation when DW traded for him & shut himself down after he got the sense he didn't factor into this coach's plan... that doesn't justify him not being a professional obviously & i agree we shouldn't be taking Darko's side in this, but it does sorta answer your question about how he may have known the coach wasn't going to play him.

as for Jordan Hill, when you're a bad team that just drafted a kid with a lottery pick, it makes sense to let that kid get minutes so he can learn on the job... Avery Johnson is allowing Derrick Favors to this, & obviously his value hasn't suffered as a result when you have the Nuggets asking for him in a trade for their franchise stud... the Knicks should have done the same with Jordan Hill last year instead of keeping him on the bench with DNP's all year... Rick Adelman's a well respected coach too & yet he's allowing Jordan Hill to learn on the job while his team isn't contending... i would have liked to see MDA do the same with Hill last season, but what's in the past can't be undone.

obviously it's pointless to pine for AR to see minutes this season while our team is contending for the playoffs, which is why i feel it's time to trade this kid to another team like the Pacers or some other rebuilding team that might value him more than we do... he's really no use to us collecting DNPs on the bench, & if we can get a useful player or draft pick out of him it would probably be best for all parties involved.

1.) So Darko had his own expectations as to how things should go in NY. When things didn't go exactly how he planned, when he hit a speed bump, he quit. What type of bullshiot is that?

2.) I would have loved to see Hill play. But if he wasn't working hard he should have been exactly where he was, on the bench!.........Now if there were other reasons for him not playing and they were petty I would be right there with you on blaming D'Antoni for making a poor decision. But so far there has been no evidence of any other reason for not playing. So I cannot criticize a coach for a decision that I have incomplete information about

3.) IF Ar is as good as we think he might be. Why the haste to trade him? Are we still of the belief that players can't learn on the bench? Why not continue to work with him to develop his game? I'm not sure I understand the impatience and the need to rid ourselves of teh AR itch just because he isn't playing.

Allanfan20 wrote:If AR has all the talent in the world (Which he does) but just doesn't work hard, then he should be traded while he still has trade value, and word around the league still says he has ultra potential.

Bip, how come AR didn't play in garbage time last night when Mozgov played exactly the same as he did when he was starting games.... like complete sheeot. If it were up to YOU, would you trade AR and Curry for Camby?

Allan, can you tell me what you saw of AR's and Moz's play in the garbage minutes you saw against PHO? I am just curious as to how you would compare the 2 guys in the scant minutes each has gotten. I'll def do the same but didn't want to taint your thinking in the mean time.

BTW, it's should be obvious to us all the MDA favors Moz over AR at this point, even if it is a small different (but enough of a one to play one before the other).