Bonn1997 wrote:

SlimChin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

scoshin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SlimChin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SlimChin wrote:I'm a big Wilson Chandler fan but the Knicks' priority should be getting Carmelo Anthony as well as acquiring a starting center. We need size! We get killed on the boards—even against teams with a mediocre front court. Stat is not a true center IMO.

Now if the Knicks did get Melo as well as a legitimate Center, where would Chandler fit in? come off the bench for Stat and/or Melo? play the 2 and let Fields come off the bench? point is, Melo is a much better Chandler.
Trade Gallo and Chandler BUT KEEP FIELDS!

The Knicks would have far more money and assets available to get a center if they kept Chandler instead of getting Melo. It's probably either Melo or Chandler plus a good center.

I'm not even talking about getting a superstar center—just a big man that can scrap under the boards and shag rebounds.

I doubt you can get that if you add Carmelo. You're not gonna have any FA money available and you're not going to have any assets left that you would want to get rid of.

Wasn't that same argument made for Miami when their frontcourt had just Bosh?

If you're talking about getting someone like Big Z to play 15 mpg, then yeah we could get that. I thought you had something better in mind.

exactly. just a big body in the paint.

well then what are you going to do during the other 33 mpg?

you could go 15 for turiaf, 10 for mozgov, 8 for amear.

Bonn1997 wrote:

SlimChin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

scoshin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SlimChin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SlimChin wrote:I'm a big Wilson Chandler fan but the Knicks' priority should be getting Carmelo Anthony as well as acquiring a starting center. We need size! We get killed on the boards—even against teams with a mediocre front court. Stat is not a true center IMO.

Now if the Knicks did get Melo as well as a legitimate Center, where would Chandler fit in? come off the bench for Stat and/or Melo? play the 2 and let Fields come off the bench? point is, Melo is a much better Chandler.
Trade Gallo and Chandler BUT KEEP FIELDS!

The Knicks would have far more money and assets available to get a center if they kept Chandler instead of getting Melo. It's probably either Melo or Chandler plus a good center.

I'm not even talking about getting a superstar center—just a big man that can scrap under the boards and shag rebounds.

I doubt you can get that if you add Carmelo. You're not gonna have any FA money available and you're not going to have any assets left that you would want to get rid of.

Wasn't that same argument made for Miami when their frontcourt had just Bosh?

If you're talking about getting someone like Big Z to play 15 mpg, then yeah we could get that. I thought you had something better in mind.

exactly. just a big body in the paint.

What would you rather have: Carmelo and Big Z or Wilson and Marc Gasol?

I'd rather have Carmelo and Z. I don't want the Knicks organization to make the same mistake they made with Ewing—when they didn't give him that 2nd superstar to get the ring.

technomaster wrote:Oddly, I wonder if everyone's early to mid 2000's memories of Marion are extremely skewed (or maybe mine are). He scored a ton w/o having a heck of a lot of official plays called for him. He scored mostly in the flow of the game. I don't think anyone would think of him as a dominant one-on-one player.

A lot of the same things go for Chandler. I think Chandler's gained some decent slashing skills and has been working on a mid-range jumper. But take Amare out of the game and he's not a guy that can carry an offense. He'll still do most of his scoring in the flow of an offense. You can't just give him the ball and say go to work.

Don't get me wrong, he's an extremely solid complementary scorer... but opposing teams don't put together plans to stop Chandler (or Marion).

That's what you'd be getting with Carmelo. (His reputation is not being as good a defender as Chandler and perhaps not as much leaping/finishing ability... but also brings a higher natural Bball IQ - Chandler has had to work hard at making his better)

i agree w/u 100%... Marion was never a dominant iso player & neither is Chandler... they both get their points in the flow of the offense... the only point i was making in that comparison is that Wilson has yet to reach Marion's level in his prime.

Allanfan20 wrote:To me, there is no use in comparing the two. Marion was a better rebounder and Chandler is better at creating his own shot. Anyone see how smooth his midrange is turning out now? It's coming to the point that Wilson is able to score any bucket he wants.... from inside the arc that is.

dude has been dead on from 3PT land over the last month+

martin wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:To me, there is no use in comparing the two. Marion was a better rebounder and Chandler is better at creating his own shot. Anyone see how smooth his midrange is turning out now? It's coming to the point that Wilson is able to score any bucket he wants.... from inside the arc that is.

dude has been dead on from 3PT land over the last month+

I know, but sometimes with 3 point shooting, you have it or you don't. ust ask Gallo. When it comes to his midrange and in the paint game, he has it all the time now. The guy doesn't even need to put up a lot of 3s. It's why Allan Houston didn't take nearly as many 3s as some people may say. It's just more worth it to play 10-18 feet away most of the time. It's nice that Wilson is learning this.

Since leaving the comfort of Phoenix, I think his limitations became obvious. He's not the type of player who will carry a team, but he's a glue guy that, in the right role, can make a very good team elite.

Even with vintage Marion on our team (instead of Chandler)... Marion might be statistically the second leading scorer, but Felton would be the #2 scoring option, just as it is now. I just don't see teams giving Chandler or Marion the ball on the wing and clearing out.

If Stoudemire and Felton are out, I'd probably be more comfortable with Gallo and perhaps Douglas taking the ball than Chandler.

"Chandler is on the Knicks, Marion ain't"

Vote Early and Often

The evolution of Shy Wil. Love it.

And by calling for the ball I mean he probably just whispered or nodded his head.

SlimChin wrote:I'm a big Wilson Chandler fan but the Knicks' priority should be getting Carmelo Anthony as well as acquiring a starting center. We need size! We get killed on the boards—even against teams with a mediocre front court. Stat is not a true center IMO.

Now if the Knicks did get Melo as well as a legitimate Center, where would Chandler fit in? come off the bench for Stat and/or Melo? play the 2 and let Fields come off the bench? point is, Melo is a much better Chandler.
Trade Gallo and Chandler BUT KEEP FIELDS!

Melo is a better Chandler? Chandler is a more efficient scorer, a better defender, blocks more shots, is younger, and is cheaper.

Melo is a primary option scorer, inefficient, draws double teams, and gets max money.

For the Knicks, Chandler is a better fit. Melo is actually a good fit for the team he's on. They have shooters (JR Smith, Chauncey, Afflalo) and they have good post play from Nene. We would have to rework our team to make Melo fit.

To me, that's too big of a risk. He commands too much money from the market, and he would disrupt our team too much for his very good, one dimensional play.

Personality.

Wilson Chandler understands humility. He has always been diligent in his practice habits. He arrives early and stays late. He plays through pain. Last season, without the benefit of summer activity, he slugged through a slow start and never complained or made excuses for his performance.

He will give you the same professional demeanor whether he makes a rare bad pass or dunks over two guys from the foul line in one breath-taking step. He did not flinch when he drained a half court shot. No big deal. Absolutely nothing disturbs Wilson Chandler's focus when he is at work.

Forget the stats and the comparisons. The best past about The Mayor is that he owns an essential element that is in the DNA of any championship team.

Wilson Chandler is unselfish.

Team.