Bippity10 wrote:2 years ago Roger Mason averaged 30 minutes 12 points, shot 43 percent from 3 and was a solid back up pg for the San Antonio Spurs. We could really use a back up PG at this point. How come nobody is killing D'Antoni for not playing him and putting him in the "doghouse"

never a fan of getting guys the Spurs have no use for. If there's any coach out there with a track record of putting players of all kinds (rookies included) in positions to succeed, it's Popovich.

Bippity10 wrote:2 years ago Roger Mason averaged 30 minutes 12 points, shot 43 percent from 3 and was a solid back up pg for the San Antonio Spurs. We could really use a back up PG at this point. How come nobody is killing D'Antoni for not playing him and putting him in the "doghouse"

He's an SG not a PG and there's no place for him in the rotation. Also, Randolph's #s last year represented an expected jump in the improvement of a 21 year old. Mason's #s are an aberration in an otherwise bad career for a 30 year old. Mason's #s weren't as good even in that one year as Randolph's were last year anyway. We could probably list a dozen more reasons.

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Vmart wrote:This is all MDA. He likes small ball spread the floor game. That is why it will be very hard to ever have a legit center with MDA. Ideal player will be a PF with good range on his shot, someone like Lee playing center.

I thought the general consensus was that MDA is not playing AR because he takes dumb shots and make too many mistakes. Mistakes that even frustrate the other Knicks players - in PRACTICE. I'm guessing that if AR is getting minutes in games and making the same mistakes it would frustrate his teammates even more because it's costing them Ws.

Personally I feel like our lack of rebound and defense is costing us games right now and AR can help out with that. I think MDA wants AR to focus on those two aspects of his game but he may not be showing enough in those areas in practice.

As far as MDA not wanting to play a legit center, I don't see it. He was willing to start a rookie center in Mozgov but was forced to take him out of the lineup. Obviously MDA feels Amare at C gives us the best shot to win. Without a legit C on the roster, he might be right.

Now if the Knicks had Camby and MDA wasn't playing him I'd say you have a point. What legit center has MDA had on either this team or Phoenix that he refused to play?

I think MDA's ideal center would be Marcus Camby with Channing Frye's range and Boris Diaw passing skills. Then again that might be one of the best centers ever. Like a young Arvydas Sabonis with more hops.

BINGO. We all pretty much saw a guy who was not ready for prime time.

Also, IF coach tells you to go out and play defense and rebound and, you go out and try to do everything BUT....then you deserve every DNP you get.

Guys are starting to make stuff up just to criticize the coach. Who would you rather have. Other than a few established coaches, most are mediocre at best. You got Phil, Spo, VanGun, Pop, Sloan....and Opie...forgot his name :) and Doc. I may have missed a few but, unless your getting one of these coaches, then your not likely to do better than Mike.

Bippity10 wrote:

TMS wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:2 years ago Roger Mason averaged 30 minutes 12 points, shot 43 percent from 3 and was a solid back up pg for the San Antonio Spurs. We could really use a back up PG at this point. How come nobody is killing D'Antoni for not playing him and putting him in the "doghouse"

because we didn't use up any valuable assets to get him... he was a FA signing on a low money 1 year deal... if he doesn't play it's no big loss... we traded our Allstar PF to bring in AR, it would suck to let him continue to waste away on the bench & kill his trade value even further... it's the waste of assets that i object to here... same as when we used up a lottery pick to take Jordan Hill but never found him any minutes in the rotation... it leaves a bad taste & is suggestive of a bigger problem that may exist between our head coach & GM in terms of the types of player acquisitions we should make going forward.

This is the only legitimate answer to my question that I received and I think there is merit to what you are saying. But I think this is more of a fan/GM perspective then a coaches perspective. From a fan perspective you wnat to see the guy play because he's exciting, plus you gave up David freakin' Lee for him. So I agree with you. From a GM perspective, you traded David Freakin Lee for teh guy and you expect him to play. If he doesn't fit then I agree with you, as a GM you want his trade value to be up so you can get something for him.

As a coach it's different. You don't peer through the same glasses as fans and GM's. YOu peer through the, "if I don't win, I'm fired" glasses. You see the fans. We are 19-14 and there is a thread from fans(most of who predicted about 35 wins) a day almost, asking for his replacement. The moment we go on the inevitable losing streak they will be asking to fire the guy. A coach in this situation is not going to play a player shooting 28 percent, taking crazy shots, dribbling through double teams, struggling to find his fit in the offense, no a whirling dervish on defense. Every mistake AR makes is development to you and me. Every mistake he makes is another "file asre D'Antoni" chant to the coach. It's a different world.

IMO, DW & MDA need to be in the "Holy crap, we just wasted another valuable asset! We gotta fix this" mode... i think the ship has sunk w/AR, i doubt he ever gets any real chance to play here for this head coach... once u get into his doghouse, it's pretty much over... he's gonna be used as trade bait while his value is at an alltime low.

TMS wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

TMS wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:2 years ago Roger Mason averaged 30 minutes 12 points, shot 43 percent from 3 and was a solid back up pg for the San Antonio Spurs. We could really use a back up PG at this point. How come nobody is killing D'Antoni for not playing him and putting him in the "doghouse"

because we didn't use up any valuable assets to get him... he was a FA signing on a low money 1 year deal... if he doesn't play it's no big loss... we traded our Allstar PF to bring in AR, it would suck to let him continue to waste away on the bench & kill his trade value even further... it's the waste of assets that i object to here... same as when we used up a lottery pick to take Jordan Hill but never found him any minutes in the rotation... it leaves a bad taste & is suggestive of a bigger problem that may exist between our head coach & GM in terms of the types of player acquisitions we should make going forward.

This is the only legitimate answer to my question that I received and I think there is merit to what you are saying. But I think this is more of a fan/GM perspective then a coaches perspective. From a fan perspective you wnat to see the guy play because he's exciting, plus you gave up David freakin' Lee for him. So I agree with you. From a GM perspective, you traded David Freakin Lee for teh guy and you expect him to play. If he doesn't fit then I agree with you, as a GM you want his trade value to be up so you can get something for him.

As a coach it's different. You don't peer through the same glasses as fans and GM's. YOu peer through the, "if I don't win, I'm fired" glasses. You see the fans. We are 19-14 and there is a thread from fans(most of who predicted about 35 wins) a day almost, asking for his replacement. The moment we go on the inevitable losing streak they will be asking to fire the guy. A coach in this situation is not going to play a player shooting 28 percent, taking crazy shots, dribbling through double teams, struggling to find his fit in the offense, no a whirling dervish on defense. Every mistake AR makes is development to you and me. Every mistake he makes is another "file asre D'Antoni" chant to the coach. It's a different world.

IMO, DW & MDA need to be in the "Holy crap, we just wasted another valuable asset! We gotta fix this" mode... i think the ship has sunk w/AR, i doubt he ever gets any real chance to play here for this head coach... once u get into his doghouse, it's pretty much over... he's gonna be used as trade bait while his value is at an alltime low.

Possibly but I will wait until that occurs. Issues with darko was work rthic. Issue with hill was supposedly the same. Issue with AR could be the same. It could also be a guy working his ass off who is loved by coaches is close to being ready and playing time may come his way. I decide not to jump on either side of the. Speculation fence