TMS wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

TMS wrote:i don't see anyone arguing that Mason deserves minutes... not sure why that's even an issue on this thread... the issue is the head coach making unnecessarily ass-holish comments to the press about his own players

That's fair, TMS, and I'm not one to start a lot of threads so sometimes I shoehorn a proposition into an existing one, and it's not always the best fit. None the less, between the various threads that include grumping about who isn't getting enough minutes; who's getting too many; how MDA doesn't like rookies; picks his favorites; has a dog house; is too smug; etc; I felt the need to make a point, and that is that his methods are not uncommon, and I really don't care if he hurts some feelings along the way.

Seriously, if every warrior was as sensitive as our bench guys are assumed to be we wouldn't have standing armies, as no one would survive boot camp.

But that's just me. It was when I found out Marbury was giving speeches about personal sacrifice and then spending practice getting massaged that I knew there was something wrong in the Coach/GM/player power structure. There are certain players who need to be bitch-slapped to force an effect. We may not always see it (Balkman, Darko, etc) but coaches do. They might not get it right every time, but they are entitled (even obliged) to try. It's their job prepare the team for battle, not give every individual a tug job. It's not just about massaging the ego of the individual, but making an example for the rest of the team. And a lot of times when a guy is dogging it the players want to see repercussions too. It's about order, and I see no reason to assume it's all madness without method.

In general I see this team as overachieving, and I really don't get why we have so many sour grapes over it. In the big picture I think MDA is having a great season, who are we to micro-manage it when we have virtually nothing to go on?

my only concern comes in when i think this type of stuff breeds resentment inside the lockerroom... i think we've got some good karma working here this season & would hate for some unnecessary drama to bring any bad into the equation.

if this were Mason criticizing the coach for not playing him & saying he thought he deserved to be in the rotation right now, i would have agreed with everyone else & said Mason needs to stfu & wait his turn, but i didn't get that from his comments... it might not be a big deal to diss bench players but really, what's the point? what good is achieved by dissing a veteran who has conducted himself like a pro since he's been here? does that benefit the team in any way? that's my simple point... if u disagree that's up to u but that's my take.

You keep taking this as MDA dismissing Mason for what he said. He may not have even known what Mason said.

He dismissed the reporter for bringing up the second to last player on the bench based on a single performance a year ago - or possibly didn't even hear the question properly. If he was tweaked it was by the reporter, not Mason, so you can let that go.

Again, I'm not sure I see the value in trying to peek behind every curtain looking for controversy. As you say, we've got good karma working here, can you live with it?

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jimimou wrote:

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jimimou wrote:

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jimimou wrote:

TMS wrote:no one said he shouldn't sit.

as for MDA being as ass, if u wanna defend his right to be an ass & embarass a bench warmer then would u also be defending him if he made some unnecessary crack about a player that was actually producing on the floor? is the coach always right no matter what? i don't think that's fair... when a player acts like a pro & the coach acts like a douche, i don't see why it's objectionable to disagree w/it.

you didnt see the interview did you? i didnt either. that's why i didnt comment on 'how' he meant what he said. so until someone can post it to see exactly how d'antoni said what he said, then your opinion is based solely on how you feel about d'antoni, not the situation at hand.

if u read my comments i accounted for the fact that Berman has been known to stretch the truth to create controversy so this article has to be taken w/a grain of salt... the article could be true, or it could be a twisted version of it... there's no way for you to know it to be anything but the way it was presented either since neither of us saw the interview... yet you suggested that we shouldn't care what kind of context it was meant in, whether he meant it as a diss or not, & you even somewhat applauded MDA's response because you had interpreted it to be a sarcastic response in your original post, & that i can't agree with... i found absolutely nothing wrong w/what Mason said, he came across as a professional & didn't bash the coach or the franchise in any way... not sure how that deserves scorn from anyone, particularly from his own head coach, if indeed that's how MDA's comment was intended.

yeah, i read your comments......and i didnt agree with them before i posted and i dont agree with them now.

what don't u agree with? so u think a coach has a right to publically embarass his own players regardless if those players act like professional or not? i don't even get your intention here... in your original post you basically applauded MDA for making a sarcastic assholish comment directed at Mason because you felt he had no right to demand playing time, when in fact, he was doing nothing of the sort... now you're saying we have no way of knowing the intention behind MDA's comment, which is a double take on your original point... ur main point was that bench players have no right to demand minutes & that MDA was right to poke fun of Mason's insignificance on his roster... correct me if i'm wrong but that's what i got out of your thread... from the comments that Mason made, i don't see anywhere that he was demanding minutes, thereby making MDA's comment unwarranted & unnecessary.

i never said a coach has a right to embarass his players. never, not once.

what i dont agree with is how you like to inject your opinion as its fact and anyone that thinks differently is somehow wrong. get over it, i said what i said and i'm not going back and forth with you on it b/c you dont know how to have a two way convo.

we've hung together alot and i like you, but please dont tell me how to think or what i should be thinking or what i really mean by what im saying.

i have no idea where you're coming from on that, i'm asking u to clarify your stance on the issue, that's it... where did i say my opinion is fact & anyone else's is wrong? i said i disagree w/u same as u said u disagree w/me... i don't know what you disagree with... are you supporting a coach's right to be an ass or aren't u? i don't support it... i think a coach should act like a pro, especially when it comes to a player who has been a pro since he's been here like Mason... i never said he deserved minutes, i never said he had a right to demand minutes & i sure as hell never told u how u should think.

this is what i'm going off of:

This article cracked me up. mason should stfu and show he wants to be here by his play, not his mouth! D'antoni's response was classic:

why do i need to clarify my stance to you? who the f are you anyway that i need to be clearer just so you can understand i think i made it pretty clear with what i typed earlier. if that doesnt satisfy you or you cant comprehend, then that's your problem, not mine. but, dont paste one of my quotes and make it seem like i took a stance on something i didnt. all i said is that i thought dantoni's response was classic....no intent behind it one way or another.

got it or do i need to go further?

TMS wrote:let me get this straight, in order for Allan Houston to gain recognition for his charitable efforts he has to be seen on camera crying after a natural disaster & sell $15 sneakers at retail outlets? so anything he does behind the scenes to contribute to charitable causes doesn't qualify as worthy of esteem in your eyes? here's a few articles u should probably read regarding some of the charitable efforts i referred to... & yes, i googled these, as if that matters:

http://www.nba.com/knicks/community/Houston_Donates_100000_to_WT-27983-65.html

http://www.greenwichtime.com/local/article/THE-DISH-Ex-Knicks-star-Allan-Houston-spotted-on-405006.php

http://www.upi.com/topic/Allan_Houston/

http://www.utk.edu/tntoday/2003/01/24/allan-houston-honors-father-through-ut-scholarship/

http://xperienceoutreach.com/who-we-are/allan-houston-legacy-foundation/

sometimes actually investing of your own time & effort into charitable causes means just as much as any check you write in support of it too... this is not to say Marbury's generous donations to charity should be minimalized in the least... i already said that's the best thing he's ever done as a Knick... other than that i have a hard time coming up with anything memorable he ever did on the court... maybe you can... without googling it of course.

you googled. heheh. and steph didnt just write a katrina check. remember back then fans were wondering where were nba players when it came to katrina. you didnt see kobe or lebron james do a press conference on katrina. marbury did. he became the face of the nba's response to katrina. his public outcry lead to further nba action.

as for what steph did on the court dude you talking decades of enjoyment as a basketball fan. since he was a kid. steph was a staple of new york basketball before he inked his first nba contract.

jimimou wrote:why do i need to clarify my stance to you? who the f are you anyway that i need to be clearer just so you can understand i think i made it pretty clear with what i typed earlier. if that doesnt satisfy you or you cant comprehend, then that's your problem, not mine. but, dont paste one of my quotes and make it seem like i took a stance on something i didnt. all i said is that i thought dantoni's response was classic....no intent behind it one way or another.

got it or do i need to go further?

tms is a member of uk mafia in good standing. thats who the F tms is. glad i could help.

jimimou wrote:ill give steph this, that running 3 he hit in OT at the buzzer to win that playoff game against the spurs w phoenix in 2003 was a wild win...

it was the last best thing Marbury did as a player.

Marv wrote:aw c'mon. remember his 1st week and a half here when he was going for 30-12, setting up h2o, kvh, kt and doleac and we went on a win streak? that was glorious.

those brain cells were killed off in the '07 3 carbomb, 4 shots goldscholger, couple of pitchers drinking night extravaganza. Good riddance, and holy hang over.

BlueSeats wrote:

holfresh wrote:
My two cents in all this is that no one cares if the coach lets Mason rot at the end of the bench...Fact is, it's good to see Mason interested in playing time and wants to contribute...Fact also is MDA is a prick...This is exactly how coaches lose their teams..Look at Larry Brown..It's not the first time with MDA either...If other bench players hear this, they are thinking the coach thinks of them in the same manner...

I kills me that people keep saying MDA is a players coach...When,Where and How...It would have cost MDA nothing to say something complimentary and move on...But the prick in him just can't let stuff like this go...Just like the first month here yelling at the fans at the Garden...

And Riley and Parcells are cupcakes?

I'd submit that many if not most of the best generals/coaches/leaders have been considered to be pricks by many.

I think this is different...There was a method to their madness...Parcell and Riley used that stuff as a motivational tools...This just seems like it flies off the cuff with this guy...I'm never against a tough coach when there is thought behind it...Can't say I ever see that in MDA's antics...

jimimou wrote:

TMS wrote:

jimimou wrote:

TMS wrote:

jimimou wrote:

TMS wrote:

jimimou wrote:

TMS wrote:no one said he shouldn't sit.

as for MDA being as ass, if u wanna defend his right to be an ass & embarass a bench warmer then would u also be defending him if he made some unnecessary crack about a player that was actually producing on the floor? is the coach always right no matter what? i don't think that's fair... when a player acts like a pro & the coach acts like a douche, i don't see why it's objectionable to disagree w/it.

you didnt see the interview did you? i didnt either. that's why i didnt comment on 'how' he meant what he said. so until someone can post it to see exactly how d'antoni said what he said, then your opinion is based solely on how you feel about d'antoni, not the situation at hand.

if u read my comments i accounted for the fact that Berman has been known to stretch the truth to create controversy so this article has to be taken w/a grain of salt... the article could be true, or it could be a twisted version of it... there's no way for you to know it to be anything but the way it was presented either since neither of us saw the interview... yet you suggested that we shouldn't care what kind of context it was meant in, whether he meant it as a diss or not, & you even somewhat applauded MDA's response because you had interpreted it to be a sarcastic response in your original post, & that i can't agree with... i found absolutely nothing wrong w/what Mason said, he came across as a professional & didn't bash the coach or the franchise in any way... not sure how that deserves scorn from anyone, particularly from his own head coach, if indeed that's how MDA's comment was intended.

yeah, i read your comments......and i didnt agree with them before i posted and i dont agree with them now.

what don't u agree with? so u think a coach has a right to publically embarass his own players regardless if those players act like professional or not? i don't even get your intention here... in your original post you basically applauded MDA for making a sarcastic assholish comment directed at Mason because you felt he had no right to demand playing time, when in fact, he was doing nothing of the sort... now you're saying we have no way of knowing the intention behind MDA's comment, which is a double take on your original point... ur main point was that bench players have no right to demand minutes & that MDA was right to poke fun of Mason's insignificance on his roster... correct me if i'm wrong but that's what i got out of your thread... from the comments that Mason made, i don't see anywhere that he was demanding minutes, thereby making MDA's comment unwarranted & unnecessary.

i never said a coach has a right to embarass his players. never, not once.

what i dont agree with is how you like to inject your opinion as its fact and anyone that thinks differently is somehow wrong. get over it, i said what i said and i'm not going back and forth with you on it b/c you dont know how to have a two way convo.

we've hung together alot and i like you, but please dont tell me how to think or what i should be thinking or what i really mean by what im saying.

i have no idea where you're coming from on that, i'm asking u to clarify your stance on the issue, that's it... where did i say my opinion is fact & anyone else's is wrong? i said i disagree w/u same as u said u disagree w/me... i don't know what you disagree with... are you supporting a coach's right to be an ass or aren't u? i don't support it... i think a coach should act like a pro, especially when it comes to a player who has been a pro since he's been here like Mason... i never said he deserved minutes, i never said he had a right to demand minutes & i sure as hell never told u how u should think.

this is what i'm going off of:

This article cracked me up. mason should stfu and show he wants to be here by his play, not his mouth! D'antoni's response was classic:

why do i need to clarify my stance to you? who the f are you anyway that i need to be clearer just so you can understand i think i made it pretty clear with what i typed earlier. if that doesnt satisfy you or you cant comprehend, then that's your problem, not mine. but, dont paste one of my quotes and make it seem like i took a stance on something i didnt. all i said is that i thought dantoni's response was classic....no intent behind it one way or another.

got it or do i need to go further?

dude, wtf did someone piss in your coffee this morning? who the f am i? no one... i just asked u to clarify, no need to be a douche... if u don't wanna reply then don't.

1. Stephon Marbury is a disgrace to the Knicks.

2. Allan Houston is a class guy.

3. Roger Mason wasn't even complaining in this article. He was asked a question and it was spun out of context by Berman.

4. Berman is just trying to stir up controversy from nothing.

5. I told Mason on Twitter 2 weeks ago that I was happy he was being a professional and not crying about his role like past Knicks of the last 10 years and he replied simply "Of course, always a pro". This guy doesn't seem like a locker room poison at all. Nobody likes not playing but he is not going to make a big issue of it either.

here's some piss free coffee for you jimi... enjoy.

cheers wrote:

jimimou wrote:

TMS wrote:

jimimou wrote:

TMS wrote:

jimimou wrote:

TMS wrote:

jimimou wrote:

TMS wrote:

jimimou wrote:

TMS wrote:no one said he shouldn't sit.

as for MDA being as ass, if u wanna defend his right to be an ass & embarass a bench warmer then would u also be defending him if he made some unnecessary crack about a player that was actually producing on the floor? is the coach always right no matter what? i don't think that's fair... when a player acts like a pro & the coach acts like a douche, i don't see why it's objectionable to disagree w/it.

you didnt see the interview did you? i didnt either. that's why i didnt comment on 'how' he meant what he said. so until someone can post it to see exactly how d'antoni said what he said, then your opinion is based solely on how you feel about d'antoni, not the situation at hand.

if u read my comments i accounted for the fact that Berman has been known to stretch the truth to create controversy so this article has to be taken w/a grain of salt... the article could be true, or it could be a twisted version of it... there's no way for you to know it to be anything but the way it was presented either since neither of us saw the interview... yet you suggested that we shouldn't care what kind of context it was meant in, whether he meant it as a diss or not, & you even somewhat applauded MDA's response because you had interpreted it to be a sarcastic response in your original post, & that i can't agree with... i found absolutely nothing wrong w/what Mason said, he came across as a professional & didn't bash the coach or the franchise in any way... not sure how that deserves scorn from anyone, particularly from his own head coach, if indeed that's how MDA's comment was intended.

yeah, i read your comments......and i didnt agree with them before i posted and i dont agree with them now.

what don't u agree with? so u think a coach has a right to publically embarass his own players regardless if those players act like professional or not? i don't even get your intention here... in your original post you basically applauded MDA for making a sarcastic assholish comment directed at Mason because you felt he had no right to demand playing time, when in fact, he was doing nothing of the sort... now you're saying we have no way of knowing the intention behind MDA's comment, which is a double take on your original point... ur main point was that bench players have no right to demand minutes & that MDA was right to poke fun of Mason's insignificance on his roster... correct me if i'm wrong but that's what i got out of your thread... from the comments that Mason made, i don't see anywhere that he was demanding minutes, thereby making MDA's comment unwarranted & unnecessary.

i never said a coach has a right to embarass his players. never, not once.

what i dont agree with is how you like to inject your opinion as its fact and anyone that thinks differently is somehow wrong. get over it, i said what i said and i'm not going back and forth with you on it b/c you dont know how to have a two way convo.

we've hung together alot and i like you, but please dont tell me how to think or what i should be thinking or what i really mean by what im saying.

i have no idea where you're coming from on that, i'm asking u to clarify your stance on the issue, that's it... where did i say my opinion is fact & anyone else's is wrong? i said i disagree w/u same as u said u disagree w/me... i don't know what you disagree with... are you supporting a coach's right to be an ass or aren't u? i don't support it... i think a coach should act like a pro, especially when it comes to a player who has been a pro since he's been here like Mason... i never said he deserved minutes, i never said he had a right to demand minutes & i sure as hell never told u how u should think.

this is what i'm going off of:

This article cracked me up. mason should stfu and show he wants to be here by his play, not his mouth! D'antoni's response was classic:

why do i need to clarify my stance to you? who the f are you anyway that i need to be clearer just so you can understand i think i made it pretty clear with what i typed earlier. if that doesnt satisfy you or you cant comprehend, then that's your problem, not mine. but, dont paste one of my quotes and make it seem like i took a stance on something i didnt. all i said is that i thought dantoni's response was classic....no intent behind it one way or another.

got it or do i need to go further?

dude, wtf did someone piss in your coffee this morning? who the f am i? no one... i just asked u to clarify, no need to be a douche... if u don't wanna reply then don't.

now im a douche? someone pissed in my coffee? lets keep in mind, i wasnt the one who replied to your post. u actually replied to mine...you cld have left it alone, but nope, you didnt so here we are. i think maybe what you need is some time on marv's couch to analyze whats going on in that little tiny brain of yours. and, all you can do is resort to calling me names? isnt that the same type of thing you cry about to others in this forum when they call you names when you're being an ass to them. your motto - do as i say not as i do?

you know, the PMS moniker tattooed onto you (by fish i think a few weeks ago under the same premise as this exchange)certainly fits. now lemme ask you a question - if one person sees you in this light, maybe they are mis-perceiving you. but now thats at least 2 people who see you as an angry, pissy little child...hmmm, maybe they are right and you're wrong...oh, i forgot, pms is never wrong.

go away.

jimimou you posted on a forum, where you received a civil reply. you responded to the civil reply in a douche fashion. then question why you were called on it.. then continue to compound your douche ways by using mike as a fish shield. just stop. you not winning hearts and minds.

I think it's more douchey that you hide behind a fake username and call people out. Just reveal your old handle here and all will be forgiven.