TMS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:It's hard to believe but the Knicks had sucked for nearly a full decade before Donnie Walsh righted our ship. If there is anything we can take from this tragic experience, it would be the "do's" and "don'ts" of running a franchise. Over the next decade (and distant future), there are several things I'd like to be done differently/continue that I will list below. If you have anything to add or to debate, then please comment:

1.) Fiscal responsibility. Maybe the biggest key to our failure as a franchise can be related to poor investments with players. Trading for overpaid veterans (Shandon Anderson/Howard Eisley), overpaying veterans ourselves (Jerome James) and extending contracts of past their prime players (Allan Houston) had punctuated this period of reckless spending. Its clear that it doesn't matter how much money you spend but rather how you spend it. The San Antonio Spurs for example have consistently hovered around the cap ($55-$65 million) and yet have 4 championships in this past decade. During that same span of time, the Knicks payroll figure has been roughly twice that and has been a perennial lottery team ($100 million).

2.) Target "stars" and "stars to be." This ties a little into "fiscal responsibility." We have one of the most attractive venues in the league to players. If we had our money game planned a little better, we could bring in a few of them periodically(see Amar'e and, very soon, Melo). I would prefer for us to start targeting specific free agent classes and have our contracts expire at an appropriate time to potentially sign them. As much as I like Amar'e (Melo) and Raymond Felton, I'd pay close attention to developments with John Wall in Washington, OJ Mayo in Memphis and Blake Griffin in LA. I'd like for us to have most of our contracts (Amar'e, Melo and the lot included) expire by the time these group of guys become free agents, to potentially woe them; and then continue this trend with others in the future.

3.) A greater emphasis of keeping, developing and obtaining draft picks. Had we been placing greater emphasis on the draft, I don't think we would have experienced nearly as deep a lull period as we did. Young players help to transition into a new era. Look at the Indiana Pacers of the 90's. They managed to rebuild within a season or two by simply turning over the reigns to their younger guys (Jamal Tinsley, Johnathan Bender, Al Harrington, Austin Croshere and Jeff Foster), while trading veterans for more young players/draft picks (Jermaine O'neal, Ron Artest, Brad Miller, etc.). We can't afford to package these picks at cheap attempts to remain competitive, like what has been in the past. The Knicks have given up 4 lottery picks in the past 8 drafts before having had the opportunity to draft them/play them. The list includes: (1) Nene Halario drafted 8th in the 2002 draft; (2) LaMarcus Aldridge drafted 2nd in the 2006 draft; (3) Joakim Noah drafted 9th in the 2007 draft; (4) and Gordon Hayward drafted 9th in the 2010 draft. Three of the first four players listed are currently all-stars/all-star caliber players. In other drafts, we've missed the opportunity to draft future stars Danny Granger, Josh Smith, Al Jefferson, Kevin Martin, Monta Ellis and Rajon Rondo due to poor scouting/vision.

4.) Have a more definitive date to retool/rebuild. It takes a saavy vet to know when its time to fold up shop and start over. If your not competing for a title, why continue to spin the wheels? We did that after dealing Patrick Ewing and saw the consequences of not using the opportunity to rebuild. If we haven't won a title/are competing for a title by the time Amar'e is 32 years old, I think that that would be the appropriate time to begin to rebuild.

Good post. I will say that this all can be summarized with the concept of "value." Because of the cap, it is important to employ valuable assets. The production per dollar matters a whole hell of a lot. Without a cap it doesn't really matter as much, but it still matters. With a cap it really, really matters. Draft well, re-sign them to reasonable terms, be flexible enough to reshuffle externally via trade or free agency, and be realistic about "the window"

i think right now, the window has been established... Amare was signed to a 5 yr deal... that is the window to do everything they can to put together a championship worthy contract, because at the end of those 5 years, the Knicks are more than likely going to be staring at another rebuilding phase in NY... if they waste any of those years waiting for guys to reach their potential, then they're doing a disservice to their fanbase who have been waiting all these years to finally root for a worthy team... now that they finally have a viable franchise star to build around, i think that needs to be their sole focus... enough w/the rebuilding with potential guys, & let's build a championship calibre roster... it's time.

But again, since this is basically the start of a new era, don't go start trading all your youth for prime players..you still have to stick with a couple of guys (ar/gallo/chandler) and develope them into your core for the long run.

knicks1248 wrote:

TMS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:It's hard to believe but the Knicks had sucked for nearly a full decade before Donnie Walsh righted our ship. If there is anything we can take from this tragic experience, it would be the "do's" and "don'ts" of running a franchise. Over the next decade (and distant future), there are several things I'd like to be done differently/continue that I will list below. If you have anything to add or to debate, then please comment:

1.) Fiscal responsibility. Maybe the biggest key to our failure as a franchise can be related to poor investments with players. Trading for overpaid veterans (Shandon Anderson/Howard Eisley), overpaying veterans ourselves (Jerome James) and extending contracts of past their prime players (Allan Houston) had punctuated this period of reckless spending. Its clear that it doesn't matter how much money you spend but rather how you spend it. The San Antonio Spurs for example have consistently hovered around the cap ($55-$65 million) and yet have 4 championships in this past decade. During that same span of time, the Knicks payroll figure has been roughly twice that and has been a perennial lottery team ($100 million).

2.) Target "stars" and "stars to be." This ties a little into "fiscal responsibility." We have one of the most attractive venues in the league to players. If we had our money game planned a little better, we could bring in a few of them periodically(see Amar'e and, very soon, Melo). I would prefer for us to start targeting specific free agent classes and have our contracts expire at an appropriate time to potentially sign them. As much as I like Amar'e (Melo) and Raymond Felton, I'd pay close attention to developments with John Wall in Washington, OJ Mayo in Memphis and Blake Griffin in LA. I'd like for us to have most of our contracts (Amar'e, Melo and the lot included) expire by the time these group of guys become free agents, to potentially woe them; and then continue this trend with others in the future.

3.) A greater emphasis of keeping, developing and obtaining draft picks. Had we been placing greater emphasis on the draft, I don't think we would have experienced nearly as deep a lull period as we did. Young players help to transition into a new era. Look at the Indiana Pacers of the 90's. They managed to rebuild within a season or two by simply turning over the reigns to their younger guys (Jamal Tinsley, Johnathan Bender, Al Harrington, Austin Croshere and Jeff Foster), while trading veterans for more young players/draft picks (Jermaine O'neal, Ron Artest, Brad Miller, etc.). We can't afford to package these picks at cheap attempts to remain competitive, like what has been in the past. The Knicks have given up 4 lottery picks in the past 8 drafts before having had the opportunity to draft them/play them. The list includes: (1) Nene Halario drafted 8th in the 2002 draft; (2) LaMarcus Aldridge drafted 2nd in the 2006 draft; (3) Joakim Noah drafted 9th in the 2007 draft; (4) and Gordon Hayward drafted 9th in the 2010 draft. Three of the first four players listed are currently all-stars/all-star caliber players. In other drafts, we've missed the opportunity to draft future stars Danny Granger, Josh Smith, Al Jefferson, Kevin Martin, Monta Ellis and Rajon Rondo due to poor scouting/vision.

4.) Have a more definitive date to retool/rebuild. It takes a saavy vet to know when its time to fold up shop and start over. If your not competing for a title, why continue to spin the wheels? We did that after dealing Patrick Ewing and saw the consequences of not using the opportunity to rebuild. If we haven't won a title/are competing for a title by the time Amar'e is 32 years old, I think that that would be the appropriate time to begin to rebuild.

Good post. I will say that this all can be summarized with the concept of "value." Because of the cap, it is important to employ valuable assets. The production per dollar matters a whole hell of a lot. Without a cap it doesn't really matter as much, but it still matters. With a cap it really, really matters. Draft well, re-sign them to reasonable terms, be flexible enough to reshuffle externally via trade or free agency, and be realistic about "the window"

i think right now, the window has been established... Amare was signed to a 5 yr deal... that is the window to do everything they can to put together a championship worthy contract, because at the end of those 5 years, the Knicks are more than likely going to be staring at another rebuilding phase in NY... if they waste any of those years waiting for guys to reach their potential, then they're doing a disservice to their fanbase who have been waiting all these years to finally root for a worthy team... now that they finally have a viable franchise star to build around, i think that needs to be their sole focus... enough w/the rebuilding with potential guys, & let's build a championship calibre roster... it's time.

But again, since this is basically the start of a new era, don't go start trading all your youth for prime players..you still have to stick with a couple of guys (ar/gallo/chandler) and develope them into your core for the long run.

Goes back to the whole "value" concept. With the cap, you essentially have $X to spend on star power. The precedent has been set where you need a "big three." But by the same token, you need to have enough assets around for one of the rookie scale guys to become the best player on the team.

It's a star league... always has been. But the price has to be right, you can't rob Peter to pay Paul.

SupremeCommander wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TMS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:It's hard to believe but the Knicks had sucked for nearly a full decade before Donnie Walsh righted our ship. If there is anything we can take from this tragic experience, it would be the "do's" and "don'ts" of running a franchise. Over the next decade (and distant future), there are several things I'd like to be done differently/continue that I will list below. If you have anything to add or to debate, then please comment:

1.) Fiscal responsibility. Maybe the biggest key to our failure as a franchise can be related to poor investments with players. Trading for overpaid veterans (Shandon Anderson/Howard Eisley), overpaying veterans ourselves (Jerome James) and extending contracts of past their prime players (Allan Houston) had punctuated this period of reckless spending. Its clear that it doesn't matter how much money you spend but rather how you spend it. The San Antonio Spurs for example have consistently hovered around the cap ($55-$65 million) and yet have 4 championships in this past decade. During that same span of time, the Knicks payroll figure has been roughly twice that and has been a perennial lottery team ($100 million).

2.) Target "stars" and "stars to be." This ties a little into "fiscal responsibility." We have one of the most attractive venues in the league to players. If we had our money game planned a little better, we could bring in a few of them periodically(see Amar'e and, very soon, Melo). I would prefer for us to start targeting specific free agent classes and have our contracts expire at an appropriate time to potentially sign them. As much as I like Amar'e (Melo) and Raymond Felton, I'd pay close attention to developments with John Wall in Washington, OJ Mayo in Memphis and Blake Griffin in LA. I'd like for us to have most of our contracts (Amar'e, Melo and the lot included) expire by the time these group of guys become free agents, to potentially woe them; and then continue this trend with others in the future.

3.) A greater emphasis of keeping, developing and obtaining draft picks. Had we been placing greater emphasis on the draft, I don't think we would have experienced nearly as deep a lull period as we did. Young players help to transition into a new era. Look at the Indiana Pacers of the 90's. They managed to rebuild within a season or two by simply turning over the reigns to their younger guys (Jamal Tinsley, Johnathan Bender, Al Harrington, Austin Croshere and Jeff Foster), while trading veterans for more young players/draft picks (Jermaine O'neal, Ron Artest, Brad Miller, etc.). We can't afford to package these picks at cheap attempts to remain competitive, like what has been in the past. The Knicks have given up 4 lottery picks in the past 8 drafts before having had the opportunity to draft them/play them. The list includes: (1) Nene Halario drafted 8th in the 2002 draft; (2) LaMarcus Aldridge drafted 2nd in the 2006 draft; (3) Joakim Noah drafted 9th in the 2007 draft; (4) and Gordon Hayward drafted 9th in the 2010 draft. Three of the first four players listed are currently all-stars/all-star caliber players. In other drafts, we've missed the opportunity to draft future stars Danny Granger, Josh Smith, Al Jefferson, Kevin Martin, Monta Ellis and Rajon Rondo due to poor scouting/vision.

4.) Have a more definitive date to retool/rebuild. It takes a saavy vet to know when its time to fold up shop and start over. If your not competing for a title, why continue to spin the wheels? We did that after dealing Patrick Ewing and saw the consequences of not using the opportunity to rebuild. If we haven't won a title/are competing for a title by the time Amar'e is 32 years old, I think that that would be the appropriate time to begin to rebuild.

Good post. I will say that this all can be summarized with the concept of "value." Because of the cap, it is important to employ valuable assets. The production per dollar matters a whole hell of a lot. Without a cap it doesn't really matter as much, but it still matters. With a cap it really, really matters. Draft well, re-sign them to reasonable terms, be flexible enough to reshuffle externally via trade or free agency, and be realistic about "the window"

i think right now, the window has been established... Amare was signed to a 5 yr deal... that is the window to do everything they can to put together a championship worthy contract, because at the end of those 5 years, the Knicks are more than likely going to be staring at another rebuilding phase in NY... if they waste any of those years waiting for guys to reach their potential, then they're doing a disservice to their fanbase who have been waiting all these years to finally root for a worthy team... now that they finally have a viable franchise star to build around, i think that needs to be their sole focus... enough w/the rebuilding with potential guys, & let's build a championship calibre roster... it's time.

But again, since this is basically the start of a new era, don't go start trading all your youth for prime players..you still have to stick with a couple of guys (ar/gallo/chandler) and develope them into your core for the long run.

Goes back to the whole "value" concept. With the cap, you essentially have $X to spend on star power. The precedent has been set where you need a "big three." But by the same token, you need to have enough assets around for one of the rookie scale guys to become the best player on the team.

It's a star league... always has been. But the price has to be right, you can't rob Peter to pay Paul.

no doubt... & i don't think anyone has ever said we should give away all of our best young players to get Melo here either... but we need to at least be open to the idea of trading away a couple of them though, because there's no telling what can happen if we wait til free agency to sign him... & as it's been pointed out numerous times, we stand to lose Wilson & Turiaf anyway if we go that route & also lose the benefit of the use of our MLE & LLE to fill other holes... IMO we need to do what we can to try & get Melo to NY while at least holding onto 1 or 2 of those young guys, because that gives us the best of both worlds & we gain the use of our exceptions this summer to put together an even more competitive team going forward.

knicks1248 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TMS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:It's hard to believe but the Knicks had sucked for nearly a full decade before Donnie Walsh righted our ship. If there is anything we can take from this tragic experience, it would be the "do's" and "don'ts" of running a franchise. Over the next decade (and distant future), there are several things I'd like to be done differently/continue that I will list below. If you have anything to add or to debate, then please comment:

1.) Fiscal responsibility. Maybe the biggest key to our failure as a franchise can be related to poor investments with players. Trading for overpaid veterans (Shandon Anderson/Howard Eisley), overpaying veterans ourselves (Jerome James) and extending contracts of past their prime players (Allan Houston) had punctuated this period of reckless spending. Its clear that it doesn't matter how much money you spend but rather how you spend it. The San Antonio Spurs for example have consistently hovered around the cap ($55-$65 million) and yet have 4 championships in this past decade. During that same span of time, the Knicks payroll figure has been roughly twice that and has been a perennial lottery team ($100 million).

2.) Target "stars" and "stars to be." This ties a little into "fiscal responsibility." We have one of the most attractive venues in the league to players. If we had our money game planned a little better, we could bring in a few of them periodically(see Amar'e and, very soon, Melo). I would prefer for us to start targeting specific free agent classes and have our contracts expire at an appropriate time to potentially sign them. As much as I like Amar'e (Melo) and Raymond Felton, I'd pay close attention to developments with John Wall in Washington, OJ Mayo in Memphis and Blake Griffin in LA. I'd like for us to have most of our contracts (Amar'e, Melo and the lot included) expire by the time these group of guys become free agents, to potentially woe them; and then continue this trend with others in the future.

3.) A greater emphasis of keeping, developing and obtaining draft picks. Had we been placing greater emphasis on the draft, I don't think we would have experienced nearly as deep a lull period as we did. Young players help to transition into a new era. Look at the Indiana Pacers of the 90's. They managed to rebuild within a season or two by simply turning over the reigns to their younger guys (Jamal Tinsley, Johnathan Bender, Al Harrington, Austin Croshere and Jeff Foster), while trading veterans for more young players/draft picks (Jermaine O'neal, Ron Artest, Brad Miller, etc.). We can't afford to package these picks at cheap attempts to remain competitive, like what has been in the past. The Knicks have given up 4 lottery picks in the past 8 drafts before having had the opportunity to draft them/play them. The list includes: (1) Nene Halario drafted 8th in the 2002 draft; (2) LaMarcus Aldridge drafted 2nd in the 2006 draft; (3) Joakim Noah drafted 9th in the 2007 draft; (4) and Gordon Hayward drafted 9th in the 2010 draft. Three of the first four players listed are currently all-stars/all-star caliber players. In other drafts, we've missed the opportunity to draft future stars Danny Granger, Josh Smith, Al Jefferson, Kevin Martin, Monta Ellis and Rajon Rondo due to poor scouting/vision.

4.) Have a more definitive date to retool/rebuild. It takes a saavy vet to know when its time to fold up shop and start over. If your not competing for a title, why continue to spin the wheels? We did that after dealing Patrick Ewing and saw the consequences of not using the opportunity to rebuild. If we haven't won a title/are competing for a title by the time Amar'e is 32 years old, I think that that would be the appropriate time to begin to rebuild.

Good post. I will say that this all can be summarized with the concept of "value." Because of the cap, it is important to employ valuable assets. The production per dollar matters a whole hell of a lot. Without a cap it doesn't really matter as much, but it still matters. With a cap it really, really matters. Draft well, re-sign them to reasonable terms, be flexible enough to reshuffle externally via trade or free agency, and be realistic about "the window"

i think right now, the window has been established... Amare was signed to a 5 yr deal... that is the window to do everything they can to put together a championship worthy contract, because at the end of those 5 years, the Knicks are more than likely going to be staring at another rebuilding phase in NY... if they waste any of those years waiting for guys to reach their potential, then they're doing a disservice to their fanbase who have been waiting all these years to finally root for a worthy team... now that they finally have a viable franchise star to build around, i think that needs to be their sole focus... enough w/the rebuilding with potential guys, & let's build a championship calibre roster... it's time.

But again, since this is basically the start of a new era, don't go start trading all your youth for prime players..you still have to stick with a couple of guys (ar/gallo/chandler) and develope them into your core for the long run.

Goes back to the whole "value" concept. With the cap, you essentially have $X to spend on star power. The precedent has been set where you need a "big three." But by the same token, you need to have enough assets around for one of the rookie scale guys to become the best player on the team.

It's a star league... always has been. But the price has to be right, you can't rob Peter to pay Paul.

The knicks just need to keep 2 of there most promising young talent, and trade the rest for your missing star..

I can vibe with it but sometimes it comes down to luck... the Celtics gave the Wolves their choice of Telfair or Rondo once upon a time

SupremeCommander wrote:

TMS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TMS wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:It's hard to believe but the Knicks had sucked for nearly a full decade before Donnie Walsh righted our ship. If there is anything we can take from this tragic experience, it would be the "do's" and "don'ts" of running a franchise. Over the next decade (and distant future), there are several things I'd like to be done differently/continue that I will list below. If you have anything to add or to debate, then please comment:

1.) Fiscal responsibility. Maybe the biggest key to our failure as a franchise can be related to poor investments with players. Trading for overpaid veterans (Shandon Anderson/Howard Eisley), overpaying veterans ourselves (Jerome James) and extending contracts of past their prime players (Allan Houston) had punctuated this period of reckless spending. Its clear that it doesn't matter how much money you spend but rather how you spend it. The San Antonio Spurs for example have consistently hovered around the cap ($55-$65 million) and yet have 4 championships in this past decade. During that same span of time, the Knicks payroll figure has been roughly twice that and has been a perennial lottery team ($100 million).

2.) Target "stars" and "stars to be." This ties a little into "fiscal responsibility." We have one of the most attractive venues in the league to players. If we had our money game planned a little better, we could bring in a few of them periodically(see Amar'e and, very soon, Melo). I would prefer for us to start targeting specific free agent classes and have our contracts expire at an appropriate time to potentially sign them. As much as I like Amar'e (Melo) and Raymond Felton, I'd pay close attention to developments with John Wall in Washington, OJ Mayo in Memphis and Blake Griffin in LA. I'd like for us to have most of our contracts (Amar'e, Melo and the lot included) expire by the time these group of guys become free agents, to potentially woe them; and then continue this trend with others in the future.

3.) A greater emphasis of keeping, developing and obtaining draft picks. Had we been placing greater emphasis on the draft, I don't think we would have experienced nearly as deep a lull period as we did. Young players help to transition into a new era. Look at the Indiana Pacers of the 90's. They managed to rebuild within a season or two by simply turning over the reigns to their younger guys (Jamal Tinsley, Johnathan Bender, Al Harrington, Austin Croshere and Jeff Foster), while trading veterans for more young players/draft picks (Jermaine O'neal, Ron Artest, Brad Miller, etc.). We can't afford to package these picks at cheap attempts to remain competitive, like what has been in the past. The Knicks have given up 4 lottery picks in the past 8 drafts before having had the opportunity to draft them/play them. The list includes: (1) Nene Halario drafted 8th in the 2002 draft; (2) LaMarcus Aldridge drafted 2nd in the 2006 draft; (3) Joakim Noah drafted 9th in the 2007 draft; (4) and Gordon Hayward drafted 9th in the 2010 draft. Three of the first four players listed are currently all-stars/all-star caliber players. In other drafts, we've missed the opportunity to draft future stars Danny Granger, Josh Smith, Al Jefferson, Kevin Martin, Monta Ellis and Rajon Rondo due to poor scouting/vision.

4.) Have a more definitive date to retool/rebuild. It takes a saavy vet to know when its time to fold up shop and start over. If your not competing for a title, why continue to spin the wheels? We did that after dealing Patrick Ewing and saw the consequences of not using the opportunity to rebuild. If we haven't won a title/are competing for a title by the time Amar'e is 32 years old, I think that that would be the appropriate time to begin to rebuild.

Good post. I will say that this all can be summarized with the concept of "value." Because of the cap, it is important to employ valuable assets. The production per dollar matters a whole hell of a lot. Without a cap it doesn't really matter as much, but it still matters. With a cap it really, really matters. Draft well, re-sign them to reasonable terms, be flexible enough to reshuffle externally via trade or free agency, and be realistic about "the window"

i think right now, the window has been established... Amare was signed to a 5 yr deal... that is the window to do everything they can to put together a championship worthy contract, because at the end of those 5 years, the Knicks are more than likely going to be staring at another rebuilding phase in NY... if they waste any of those years waiting for guys to reach their potential, then they're doing a disservice to their fanbase who have been waiting all these years to finally root for a worthy team... now that they finally have a viable franchise star to build around, i think that needs to be their sole focus... enough w/the rebuilding with potential guys, & let's build a championship calibre roster... it's time.

But again, since this is basically the start of a new era, don't go start trading all your youth for prime players..you still have to stick with a couple of guys (ar/gallo/chandler) and develope them into your core for the long run.

Goes back to the whole "value" concept. With the cap, you essentially have $X to spend on star power. The precedent has been set where you need a "big three." But by the same token, you need to have enough assets around for one of the rookie scale guys to become the best player on the team.

It's a star league... always has been. But the price has to be right, you can't rob Peter to pay Paul.

no doubt... & i don't think anyone has ever said we should give away all of our best young players to get Melo here either... but we need to at least be open to the idea of trading away a couple of them though, because there's no telling what can happen if we wait til free agency to sign him... & as it's been pointed out numerous times, we stand to lose Wilson & Turiaf anyway if we go that route & also lose the benefit of the use of our MLE & LLE to fill other holes... IMO we need to do what we can to try & get Melo to NY while at least holding onto 1 or 2 of those young guys, because that gives us the best of both worlds & we gain the use of our exceptions this summer to put together an even more competitive team going forward.

I agree completely, and I would like to add (for emphasis) that there is value in getting Melo in a Knicks uni sooner rather than later. I do think Fields is the best asset the team has on a rookie deal BUT Chandler is a valuable vet and Fields will get a big time offer from a team when his 2nd round rookie deal runs out. I'd much rather lock in Amar'e/Melo/Felton/Chandler/Turiaf than Amar'e/Felton/Gallo/Fields and a chance that Melo signs in the offseason

i think DW should wait it out all the way to the deadline if he has to if Denver continues to demand 3 or more of our young players in a Melo deal (if that is indeed what they're demanding at this point)... the asking price is bound to go down the closer they get to the deadline... all we're really looking for is to keep our heads above water until a deal gets done... i think the EC is still bad enough to keep us in the playoff chase until February... we're not likely going to beat any other team's offer if a deal gets done before then anyway, cuz that likely means DEN has found a taker for Melo that's willing to offer more than the Knicks are going to & Melo has signed off on it.

Olbrannon wrote:Have to say so far it stacks up better than

Without momentum the Knicks are like the balance of the scale...easily tipped

frankly i loved the fight, it was the most heart i saw the knicks show doing that time.

im not mad of the players we had, but you can see we had no leaders, from coach to captain.

amar'e is a breath of fresh air, hope he stays on with the knicks long past his playing days.