cheers wrote:loweyecue wrote:Bippity10 wrote:cheers wrote:Bippity10 wrote:cheers wrote:Bippity10 wrote:cheers wrote:Bippity10 wrote:Have you seen his bench? They can all play. He's not bring AR or Billy Walker(who got no time for Doc and was traded)or Mozgov or Mason off his bench. He's bringign Davis, jermaine, Delonte, Daniels, O'neal or Perkins when Perkins returns, and Nate. He's bringing guys that produce into the rotation. It's a lot easier to rest one of your starters when you know your reserve is going to bust someone's ass just like the starter did.I think D'Antoni realizes just like the rest of us the need to use his bench. I think Donnie Walsh understands that need as well. I aslo think D'Antoni wants to win games and notices how quickly his leads evaporate the moment his starters go to the bench. Tough choices to make under those circumstances. I have no dobut that if Mozgov and Turiaf and Douglas and Williams were busting asse when they came in they'd be getting heavy minutes and the starters would be well rested. I'm pretty sure we would be seeing a little sampling of AR as well. It's all tied in. If you were coach, you would do as he is doing, coach for the present and pray the future(injuries from being overworked) do not present themselves.
NATE
nate is some trash new york let go and boston picked up. (sarcasm)
russian bear doesnt give up matchup problems to the big baby? really.. i think if these two collided it would cause a mini earthquake. o'neal did not suit up for the knicks game. again doc is faced with a injured and aging team this season AND WINNING. props to doc. love nate and ny should have never let him go but i dont think he defeats our entire bench. lol.
bip i dont think d'antoni even see's the bench he has toney tunnel vision when it comes to the bench. when i see mda playing our bench real minutes especially in a celtics game they could have helped WIN. then i will say props to mda.
Are you telling me that lookign down at your bench and seeing Walker, AR, Mozgov, Turiaf and Douglas gives you the same fuzzy feeling that looking at DAvis, Robinson, Daniels, O'Neal and the rest. Come on. It's no where near the same situation. You would trade our bench for theirs in an instant. Plus, the Celtics are a championship team. They can afford to give guys a shot because the rest of the guys can pick up the slack. Guys like Erdin and Bradley don't hurt them the minutes they are on the floor because the rest of their championship level roster picks it up.
We are a team just starting to win. When we go to the bench our leads evaporate. At some point as a coach you ahve to say "I can't keep going to the bench and having my leads evaporate". Instead I'm going to play my starters, to get some wins and hope that my GM can bring me in some help.
Lastly, do you beleive that if Walsh today traded Billy Walker for Chris Duhon and AR for Carl Landry that we would still be going 6 1/2 deep? And if you do believe this, find an example in D'Antoni's past that backs up your assertion.
i dont care if our bench got traded on a month to month basis, i would still play them to spell our top five.
it is thanks to mda that nate is even playing for the celtics. you want to talk about sending your gm a message, get rid of nate was the wrong message. but that is water under the bridge. i feel mda screwed darko too but that is one hell of a long arguement as well.
donnie as i see it, is trying to put his coach in the best situations to get a W. but mda has a habit of just trashing players while elevating other players to must play status.. our bench is not a big drop off from talent from an injured or healthy toney and turiaf. yet somehow those two are as deep as mda does into the bench.
1.) If you played your bench more you might not have won 13 of 14 games because of it. Maybe in the long-run that helps you. Maybe you get fired in the short run and it doesn't. Plus, until you coach you don't know how you would react. Now regardless, if you were to play a bench of 12 deep doese that make your decision automatically right? Or is it simply anotehr way of doing things.
2.) Gettign rid of Nate was the wrong message? Why?
3.) Darko was mistreated? Speculation, not based on anything. As far as you know Darko told D'Antoni and the Knicks to go f themselves the first day he was brought in.
So let's focus on things we do know. We know our bench is consistently getting outplayed. We know that the only change that has increased the production of our bench was when Wilson was on it. Other then that not AR, not Walker, not Turiaf, not Douglas, not one of them have helped us to outproduce the bench of other teams. So at what point does winning not become important?
bipolar much you just gave nate props then you say that.
and im not saying darko is a saint but ffs why tell a guy go be with his wife (for the baby) then when he comes back out of shape a new dad. you say ok i dont understand this.. DNP. hell man you was just understanding now you not wtf coach.
all getting rid of nate and darko did was make us look at their play on other teams and wish they were still playing in orange and blue.
again im all for playing the bench i dont want to be stuck with another houston-like yearly knees drama come second season. two teams passed on going all in on amar'e because of his knees, cavs and suns. ny didnt pass on amar'e because we needed to take the gamble. so donnie signed him even though ny could not insure his contract. gamble paid off.. but we got five years to go.
1.) Bi-polar much? What do you mean. Nate was not a fit for this team and what we were looking to do. We could not handle his antics as we were trying to build. However if you use the search button you will find that last year I said several times, "Nate does not belong with the knicks and would probably be a good fit for a veteran team that can handle him. LIKE THE CELTICS" So again, what was the bad message that was sent? Please expand on your point. Winning teams, win because of chemistry. Nate was not a part of the chemistry we were trying to build here. Has nothing to do with whetehr he can play or not.
2.) Stop coveting other players. Situations are different every where. There are many players that will shine in Minnesota or Oklahoma or Miami and then bomb in NY and vice versa. Move on from the what could have been stuff. We have no idea what Darko's attitude was here so why speculate? This shouldn't even be a discussion. As for Nate. He is playing in Boston exactly like he played in NY. There are no suprises. Except it was time for him to go. We had to turn the page on those that did not want to play D'Antoni's style. He was one of them.
3.) Again, I do not think anyone associated with the Knicks wants 42 minutes a night from Amare to be a long-time solution. We all get it. It's not news. D'Antoni and Walsh both get it. But 4 weeks ago, we were calling for D'Antoni's head. And now we expect him to play a bench that gets dramatically outplayed everyngith and risk losing games today? Talk about Bi-polar.
Keep this up and I won't even bring up your post count any more. Great post.
what was said that was soo bippy? mda right now is becoming a chemistry killer. mda favoring dnp, rather working on his coach/player chemistry, is not cute. i am coveting players that used to play for new york.. a growing list, that are showing themselves to be useful on other teams. is ar soon to join that growing list of mda rejects to covet?
A growing list of guys that are showing themselves useful on other teams? Another false argument based on nothing.
Hill-6.8 points, 4.3 rebounds. These numbers have been replaced by Turiaf and will be by the next big man we aquire
Nate-8.3 points, 2.4 rebounds. His numbers with the Celtics are actually career lows. His replacement Toney Douglas is averaging neear identical numbers. Numbers that can be replaced. Plus he plays better defense
Darko-Is putting up pedestrian 9.3 points, 5.6 rebounds and a great 2.5 blocks for a team that is 6-23
Who else was "banished" by D'Antoni only to have a career resurrection somewhere else? Hill may go to a team like the Celtics and not see a minutes time. These are myths created by fans taht are based on nothing. Situation does not seem to be taken into accoutn at all.
There is a golden opportuntiy for a bench player to get minutes right now! D'Antoni and Walsh both have said so over and over again. We are starved for someone to step up. Randolph can get all the minutes he wants if he steps up now. It's on him to do so. Gotta produce when you are out there. If leads evaporate and you shoot 27% you aren't going to get minutes for a coach that has fans and ppapers calling for his head everytime the team loses. Fantasy land if you think it will be different.
