we need someone in the tyson chandler, marcus camby, marc gasol mold who can be great defensively and on the boards while not being a total liability on the offensive end like a reggie evans.

FistOfOakley wrote:alot of those guys are just big bodies are not that great defensively and cannot get up and down the court at the pace we would need.

we need someone in the tyson chandler, marcus camby, marc gasol mold who can be great defensively and on the boards while not being a total liability on the offensive end like a reggie evans.

LOL, how can you talk abot big bodies that "cannot get up and down the court at the pace we would need," and then list Marc Gasol as a potential addition? Athletically, Milicic was better and he couldn't find time with us because of it. Gasol would have problems keeping up with us even with the weight loss since coming to the NBA.

Melo2NYK wrote:

TMS wrote:thing is w/MDA's system, he rarely plays true C's anyway... u can easily plug in a F into that slot & still win games... Glen Davis is a possibility at the MLE... Shaq's got a player option & i think he'd sign for MLE money but he's not a good fit for MDA's system... Boris Diaw's got a player option too, i believe he played minutes at the C position for MDA, no?... Kenyon Martin could probably be had for the MLE... Big Z has a player option & a nice midrange J, maybe he's an option... maybe Troy Murphy if he gets healthy & looking for a contract... Joel Pryzbilla's not a bad option... or maybe you go for rebounding & defense with Reggie Evans... or u can opt to go for more depth & sign up a couple cheaper vets like Eric Dampier, Louis Amundson & Vlad Radmonovic, maybe even Jared Fishlips, who at the right dollars would not be an objectionable signing for me.

or u can go for higher upside plays like DW seems to like to do w/his acquisitions... Jonas Jerebko could turn out to be the next Birdman type player & depending on Detroit's budget, u might be able to steal him away for the MLE (they'd likely match but who knows)... he'd be a great addition to this uptempo style game & he's only 23 so there's plenty of upside to get better there... or a kid like Brandon Wright from GS, i think he's an intriguing option on a low money deal... Josh McRoberts is another UFA that i would highly consider, another young kid w/some upside that DW might be interested in & seems like would be the type of heady player that MDA likes to coach... Deandre Jordan, limited offensively but brings nice size at the C position & still has a nice upside, another intriguing option.

just because we make a trade for Melo doesn't mean we won't have any options to shore up our frontcourt in the offseason.

And that is perhaps the most important point. At the end of the day, being over the cap has not halted teams like San Antonio from addressing their needs with nothing more than the MLE in hand.

BTW, I think you can add Chris Wilcox to the mix. To this day, I still don't understand why he didn't get burn with us.

i didn't add him cuz he never really got much burn w/us under MDA so not sure how much he'd get the second time around... but the circumstances are different now so who knows... he's got the athleticism to excel in this type of system, but maybe not the heady type of player MDA wants to target.

FistOfOakley wrote:alot of those guys are just big bodies are not that great defensively and cannot get up and down the court at the pace we would need.

we need someone in the tyson chandler, marcus camby, marc gasol mold who can be great defensively and on the boards while not being a total liability on the offensive end like a reggie evans.

Marc Gasol is much more suited for a half court style game... he's not a fleet footed C... Tyson Chandler's offensive game is nothing to write home about either... 1 of MDA's favorite players over the past 2 years was Fishlips & he can barely make an uncontested layup without inducing heart failure... i think he's looking for a guy that can play a role out of the C position & not necessarily a regular starter, because he's gonna go with Amare at the 5 down the stretch of games anyway.

FistOfOakley wrote:he's not exactly a burner but he can get up and down the court at a brisk pace. he's not eric dampier or shaq though is what i'm saying.

Don't get me wrong, I like the guy; I actually like him alot and thought we should get him at one point. But after Milicic had a coming out party with the T-wolves, I think D'Antoni would put the handcuff's on him (in spite of Gasol being a markedly better player). I'd really like Marcin Gortat, who I think is athletic enough for us but I doubt the Magic give him up.

FistOfOakley wrote:the guy shoots like a handful of shots a game thanks to zach randolph. he rotates well on defense, he's good in the post and is strong protecting the basket and he can hit a 15 footer.

and the dude is european, mda has got to love him.

lol @ the euro comment... does he have stiff legs tho?

but seriously, a guy like Marc Gasol that works in the post is not an ideal fit next to Amare... he needs someone who can play off the ball & not demand touches in the paint to excel... the ideal matches for Amare's game would be a hustle rebounding shotblocking athletic big that can run the floor like a Marcus Camby, or a 3 point shooting big like an Andrea Bargnani or Mehmet Okur (not saying we need to trade for those guys, just giving examples of the types of players that would fit w/our system & personnel)

martin wrote:

Melo2NYK wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:

TMS wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:the heat are a great defensive team. melo would've struggled against them also.

and the heat also shot 55%. you can't win too often when they shoot that well.

the Spurs are a great defensive team too but Melo went off on them the other night... i agree it's hard to beat teams when they shoot 55%, but it's also hard to win when you only have 1 reliable guy to get you points in crunchtime... the strategy for teams to beat the Knicks is to stop Amare, because they don't respect any of our other players' ability to carry the load... Melo changes things dramatically.

danilo was doing a great job in the first half. and guys were hitting open shots when they were open. there weren't open that often though.

Yeah but where was Gallo in the 2nd half aka the half when games are won? The guy is not fit to be our no.2 scorer. He simply can not create for himself or others.

Did you see how many times he took it to the rim against BOSTON? And did you see him get fouled as he tried to cram the rim against Miami? Refs robbed him in Miami game.

Agreed but we weren't exactly lighting it up from the foul line last night.

nyk4ever wrote:
I have no problem going after melo, infact i want him but whats the point of dealing for him when he wants to play here? gallo tonight showed you what kind of player he is. lets keep all our guys and sign melo in the offseason.

I dont necessarily disagree with this but so much can happen between now and next summer. What if he's traded to Dallas and Melo gets a taste of the NBA finals? As mush as he loves NY, he would be an idiot to leave that situation. Similar to Rasheed Wallace. When he was traded to the Hawks, it almost a garuantee that he would leve the haks that summer come to the Knicks, until Ainge intervened and helped send him to the Pistons a week later. Of course the Pistons go on to win the championship that same season and Wallace reups with the champs. I say, if Melo can be had now, pull the trigger and dont take any chances.

TMS wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:the guy shoots like a handful of shots a game thanks to zach randolph. he rotates well on defense, he's good in the post and is strong protecting the basket and he can hit a 15 footer.

and the dude is european, mda has got to love him.

lol @ the euro comment... does he have stiff legs tho?

but seriously, a guy like Marc Gasol that works in the post is not an ideal fit next to Amare... he needs someone who can play off the ball & not demand touches in the paint to excel... the ideal matches for Amare's game would be a hustle rebounding shotblocking athletic big that can run the floor like a Marcus Camby, or a 3 point shooting big like an Andrea Bargnani or Mehmet Okur (not saying we need to trade for those guys, just giving examples of the types of players that would fit w/our system & personnel)

Channing Frye fit the bill? How is he as a defender at the 5? At the 4, he was ****ing terrible. The value (of course) with him comes from his jump shooting ability. If he can be a halfway decent defender, I'd bring him in since the Suns have been rumored to want to ditch his contract.