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nixluva
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12/17/2010  11:54 PM
We know the Melo deal is the best option out there, but as I said it's not likely to happen until the deadline. The question is what do we do in the meantime to make sure we continue to play winning ball, but not burnout our stars?
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12/17/2010  11:57 PM
a scary notion is to get stuck like the suns.. you clear the deck (even of amar'e) thinking you have best shot at signing dirk, and you dont sign dirk. if every stays as-is and melo stays with denver then goes f.a. is there some secret handshake between him and donnie guaranteeing if ny does not make any to trade by deadline and keeps the deck deck clear for melo, that melo signs with new york.
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12/18/2010  12:06 AM
nixluva wrote:We know the Melo deal is the best option out there, but as I said it's not likely to happen until the deadline. The question is what do we do in the meantime to make sure we continue to play winning ball, but not burnout our stars?

keep praying that guys hit their 3 pt shots & that Amare goes back to beastmode til the trade deadline... there's really not much else we can do to make sure we play winning ball than that... we don't have the talent to win games against good teams unless we're clicking on all cylinders just yet.

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12/18/2010  12:07 AM
cheers wrote:a scary notion is to get stuck like the suns.. you clear the deck (even of amar'e) thinking you have best shot at signing dirk, and you dont sign dirk. if every stays as-is and melo stays with denver then goes f.a. is there some secret handshake between him and donnie guaranteeing if ny does not make any to trade by deadline and keeps the deck deck clear for melo, that melo signs with new york.

we won't be clearing the decks for Melo... it will either be an equitable deal that we pull off to trade for Melo at the deadline, or we wait to sign him as a FA... this won't play out like the Dirk situation or the Lebron situation.

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12/18/2010  12:57 AM
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nixluva wrote:We know the Melo deal is the best option out there, but as I said it's not likely to happen until the deadline. The question is what do we do in the meantime to make sure we continue to play winning ball, but not burnout our stars?

keep praying that guys hit their 3 pt shots & that Amare goes back to beastmode til the trade deadline... there's really not much else we can do to make sure we play winning ball than that... we don't have the talent to win games against good teams unless we're clicking on all cylinders just yet.

True, but I was thinking more along the lines of a very small trade that could perhaps bring in a backup PG/SG type. I know we can't go crazy cuz we want to remain ready for a Melo deal when it goes down, but if we could get just a little help off the bench it might help.

As I said before, I think the Cleveland game is a good one to try and get AR and Timo on the floor. Turiaf must not be healthy cuz he's not the same player we saw early in the season before he got hurt. AR's development is a real shame. I was really hoping he could contribute something this year. I still have hope, but his absence has been a real disappointment.

To be honest this is what you have to deal with when you have such a young team. Mike was talking about this before the season. You can't really depend on getting a major contribution when you rely on young players with very little experience. We just have to hope that they continue to work and develop.

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12/18/2010  1:02 AM
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:We know the Melo deal is the best option out there, but as I said it's not likely to happen until the deadline. The question is what do we do in the meantime to make sure we continue to play winning ball, but not burnout our stars?

keep praying that guys hit their 3 pt shots & that Amare goes back to beastmode til the trade deadline... there's really not much else we can do to make sure we play winning ball than that... we don't have the talent to win games against good teams unless we're clicking on all cylinders just yet.

True, but I was thinking more along the lines of a very small trade that could perhaps bring in a backup PG/SG type. I know we can't go crazy cuz we want to remain ready for a Melo deal when it goes down, but if we could get just a little help off the bench it might help.

As I said before, I think the Cleveland game is a good one to try and get AR and Timo on the floor. Turiaf must not be healthy cuz he's not the same player we saw early in the season before he got hurt. AR's development is a real shame. I was really hoping he could contribute something this year. I still have hope, but his absence has been a real disappointment.

To be honest this is what you have to deal with when you have such a young team. Mike was talking about this before the season. You can't really depend on getting a major contribution when you rely on young players with very little experience. We just have to hope that they continue to work and develop.

any trades for role players u make after u get the Melo trade done... after that u can afford to take on contracts in exchange for expirings.

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12/18/2010  7:31 AM
From Hoopshype:

Executives working the phones during these early days of trade inquiry say the teams that appear most determined to make deals before the Feb. 24 deadline are Portland, Detroit, Minnesota, Memphis and Charlotte. But while execs have seen the usual volume of calls, the urgency to clear cap space and/or dump salary isn’t nearly as high as it was last summer. Leading up to the 2010 deadline, multiple teams were hellbent on clearing cap space for a robust free-agent class. Not only will this summer’s free-agent class pale in comparison, teams also are unsure of how and when free agency will take shape due to labor uncertainty. CBSSports.com

I'd see if we can get anything creative done with the above 4 teams... Portland's Przybilla has been mentioned.... Detroit has Ben Wallace who I love but they are already undersized. Minnesota... nothing there really. Memphis probably nothing either (Gasol isn't going anywhere I think).

That leaves Charlotte... supposedly both Stephen Jackson and Gerald Wallace are available, but they are both small forwards. They have Kwame Brown, Nazr Mohammed.... and Tyrus Thomas... none of those guys are appealing to me.

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12/18/2010  12:04 PM
knickstorrents wrote:From Hoopshype:

Executives working the phones during these early days of trade inquiry say the teams that appear most determined to make deals before the Feb. 24 deadline are Portland, Detroit, Minnesota, Memphis and Charlotte. But while execs have seen the usual volume of calls, the urgency to clear cap space and/or dump salary isn’t nearly as high as it was last summer. Leading up to the 2010 deadline, multiple teams were hellbent on clearing cap space for a robust free-agent class. Not only will this summer’s free-agent class pale in comparison, teams also are unsure of how and when free agency will take shape due to labor uncertainty. CBSSports.com

I'd see if we can get anything creative done with the above 4 teams... Portland's Przybilla has been mentioned.... Detroit has Ben Wallace who I love but they are already undersized. Minnesota... nothing there really. Memphis probably nothing either (Gasol isn't going anywhere I think).

That leaves Charlotte... supposedly both Stephen Jackson and Gerald Wallace are available, but they are both small forwards. They have Kwame Brown, Nazr Mohammed.... and Tyrus Thomas... none of those guys are appealing to me.

Ty Thomas would be great, especially if Wilson &/or AR somehow gets included in any deals... he brings a lot of what MDA is probably looking for out of AR... but he just signed a 5 yr deal w/them so he obviously factors into their longterm plans... they'd probably be looking to dump guys like Stephen Jackson (don't need him), maybe Boris Diaw (familiar w/the system) or DeSegana Diop (puke)

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12/18/2010  12:07 PM
TMS wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:From Hoopshype:

Executives working the phones during these early days of trade inquiry say the teams that appear most determined to make deals before the Feb. 24 deadline are Portland, Detroit, Minnesota, Memphis and Charlotte. But while execs have seen the usual volume of calls, the urgency to clear cap space and/or dump salary isn’t nearly as high as it was last summer. Leading up to the 2010 deadline, multiple teams were hellbent on clearing cap space for a robust free-agent class. Not only will this summer’s free-agent class pale in comparison, teams also are unsure of how and when free agency will take shape due to labor uncertainty. CBSSports.com

I'd see if we can get anything creative done with the above 4 teams... Portland's Przybilla has been mentioned.... Detroit has Ben Wallace who I love but they are already undersized. Minnesota... nothing there really. Memphis probably nothing either (Gasol isn't going anywhere I think).

That leaves Charlotte... supposedly both Stephen Jackson and Gerald Wallace are available, but they are both small forwards. They have Kwame Brown, Nazr Mohammed.... and Tyrus Thomas... none of those guys are appealing to me.

Ty Thomas would be great, especially if Wilson &/or AR somehow gets included in any deals... he brings a lot of what MDA is probably looking for out of AR... but he just signed a 5 yr deal w/them so he obviously factors into their longterm plans... they'd probably be looking to dump guys like Stephen Jackson (don't need him), maybe Boris Diaw (familiar w/the system) or DeSegana Diop (puke)

I was big on Ty Thomas last year before he signed extension but word out of Charlotte is that, despite putting up numbers, the dude is just awful. Not sure if that means IQ or what, but I keep reading that over and over again.

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12/18/2010  1:26 PM
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:From Hoopshype:

Executives working the phones during these early days of trade inquiry say the teams that appear most determined to make deals before the Feb. 24 deadline are Portland, Detroit, Minnesota, Memphis and Charlotte. But while execs have seen the usual volume of calls, the urgency to clear cap space and/or dump salary isn’t nearly as high as it was last summer. Leading up to the 2010 deadline, multiple teams were hellbent on clearing cap space for a robust free-agent class. Not only will this summer’s free-agent class pale in comparison, teams also are unsure of how and when free agency will take shape due to labor uncertainty. CBSSports.com

I'd see if we can get anything creative done with the above 4 teams... Portland's Przybilla has been mentioned.... Detroit has Ben Wallace who I love but they are already undersized. Minnesota... nothing there really. Memphis probably nothing either (Gasol isn't going anywhere I think).

That leaves Charlotte... supposedly both Stephen Jackson and Gerald Wallace are available, but they are both small forwards. They have Kwame Brown, Nazr Mohammed.... and Tyrus Thomas... none of those guys are appealing to me.

Ty Thomas would be great, especially if Wilson &/or AR somehow gets included in any deals... he brings a lot of what MDA is probably looking for out of AR... but he just signed a 5 yr deal w/them so he obviously factors into their longterm plans... they'd probably be looking to dump guys like Stephen Jackson (don't need him), maybe Boris Diaw (familiar w/the system) or DeSegana Diop (puke)

I was big on Ty Thomas last year before he signed extension but word out of Charlotte is that, despite putting up numbers, the dude is just awful. Not sure if that means IQ or what, but I keep reading that over and over again.

any IQ questions will probably make him a no go for MDA... he's just as likely to find himself riding pine the day after the trade was made.

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12/18/2010  1:28 PM
TMS wrote:
martin wrote:
TMS wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:From Hoopshype:

Executives working the phones during these early days of trade inquiry say the teams that appear most determined to make deals before the Feb. 24 deadline are Portland, Detroit, Minnesota, Memphis and Charlotte. But while execs have seen the usual volume of calls, the urgency to clear cap space and/or dump salary isn’t nearly as high as it was last summer. Leading up to the 2010 deadline, multiple teams were hellbent on clearing cap space for a robust free-agent class. Not only will this summer’s free-agent class pale in comparison, teams also are unsure of how and when free agency will take shape due to labor uncertainty. CBSSports.com

I'd see if we can get anything creative done with the above 4 teams... Portland's Przybilla has been mentioned.... Detroit has Ben Wallace who I love but they are already undersized. Minnesota... nothing there really. Memphis probably nothing either (Gasol isn't going anywhere I think).

That leaves Charlotte... supposedly both Stephen Jackson and Gerald Wallace are available, but they are both small forwards. They have Kwame Brown, Nazr Mohammed.... and Tyrus Thomas... none of those guys are appealing to me.

Ty Thomas would be great, especially if Wilson &/or AR somehow gets included in any deals... he brings a lot of what MDA is probably looking for out of AR... but he just signed a 5 yr deal w/them so he obviously factors into their longterm plans... they'd probably be looking to dump guys like Stephen Jackson (don't need him), maybe Boris Diaw (familiar w/the system) or DeSegana Diop (puke)

I was big on Ty Thomas last year before he signed extension but word out of Charlotte is that, despite putting up numbers, the dude is just awful. Not sure if that means IQ or what, but I keep reading that over and over again.

any IQ questions will probably make him a no go for MDA... he's just as likely to find himself riding pine the day after the trade was made.

yeah. his contract is prohibitive so it's a moot point anyway.

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12/18/2010  1:30 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:Even when Amare has a nightmare game this team still scores in the 90s. Ewing's Knicks won tons of games when they scored in the 90s. Scoring is not the problem. Giving up 113 points was the problem.

Apples and oranges, unfortunately. When Ewing's teams scored in the 90s, they probably had 15-20 fewer possessions. It would be equivalent to us scoring 105-110. Our defense was not good at all last night, but the offense was also pretty terrible. We sucked on both ends in the second half.

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12/18/2010  2:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/18/2010  2:45 PM
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Bonn1997 wrote:Even when Amare has a nightmare game this team still scores in the 90s. Ewing's Knicks won tons of games when they scored in the 90s. Scoring is not the problem. Giving up 113 points was the problem.

Apples and oranges, unfortunately. When Ewing's teams scored in the 90s, they probably had 15-20 fewer possessions. It would be equivalent to us scoring 105-110. Our defense was not good at all last night, but the offense was also pretty terrible. We sucked on both ends in the second half.


That's a huge exaggeration. The Knicks average 99 possessions per game. If you go to the middle of the pack, they're between 95.5 and 96 possessions per game. This year's Knicks are getting 3 or 4 more possessions than average.
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