NYKBocker wrote:Curry/Azubuike/AR for Melo. That's it. Why would be drive up the price if we can set it ourselves?

I agree that we should not bargain against ourselves. At he same time, we want to make a credible offer for a franchise player that spells the end of Denver's current run. We want them to accept our offer before the deadline.

How about...

Curry + Buke + AR + TD + 2014 1st (lottery protected) + 1 of the GS 2nd rounders + $3mil for Melo. We keep Gallo. We keep Chandler by using his Bird rights to exceed the cap. We use our LLE on Williams and our MLE on a defensive C. These moves allow us to contend for a chip for the duration of Amare's contract, starting THIS season. Yes, that roster can beat any team in the league. The only defense we lose is TD's, and we still have backcourt defensive stoppers in Ray Ray and Fields. We can draft a backup defensive PG this summer.

THIS is our best offer, take it or leave Ujiri.

scoshin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Curry/Azubuike/AR for Melo. That's it. Why would be drive up the price if we can set it ourselves?

We still have to beat out teams who may be willing to rent Melo. They won't offer a lot, but surely they'd offer more than just Randolph/Curry. That's such a craptastic package that Denver would likely just hang up the phone.

I still think Gallo or Chandler will be included for Melo. One of them will be expendable anyway with Melo on the team. These latest developments just means that Denver will now be more willing to accept this offer, but I don't think we'd go so far as to lowball them.

Name a team willing to trade for Melo as a half year rental. Now, are these teams you just mentioned willing to gut their team to get Melo. Melo has a huge contract. They would need to make a 3 for 1 package assuming they have a contract like Fat Curry.

Any GM would not risk getting fired by trading for Melo for just a little over a half a year and sending almost all their assets to get him. That is just not good business.

NYKBocker wrote:

scoshin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Curry/Azubuike/AR for Melo. That's it. Why would be drive up the price if we can set it ourselves?

We still have to beat out teams who may be willing to rent Melo. They won't offer a lot, but surely they'd offer more than just Randolph/Curry. That's such a craptastic package that Denver would likely just hang up the phone.

I still think Gallo or Chandler will be included for Melo. One of them will be expendable anyway with Melo on the team. These latest developments just means that Denver will now be more willing to accept this offer, but I don't think we'd go so far as to lowball them.

Name a team willing to trade for Melo as a half year rental. Now, are these teams you just mentioned willing to gut their team to get Melo. Melo has a huge contract. They would need to make a 3 for 1 package assuming they have a contract like Fat Curry.

Any GM would not risk getting fired by trading for Melo for just a little over a half a year and sending almost all their assets to get him. That is just not good business.

Dallas giving up Beaubois + Butler's expiring + 1st is not gutting the team, and Melo will be hardpressed not to resign on a stacked team like that.

Same goes for Orlando with a deal surrounding say Vince's expiring + Orton + Gortat for Melo/Harrington.

Yeah, these aren't great packages...they can't and probably won't offer more...but they still beat out a crap AR/'Buike package.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

Truehoop:

Chris Sheridan just did a chat largely about his recent reporting regarding Carmelo Anthony. Sheridan is adamant that Anthony will not sign an extension with the Nets or Nuggets.

Knick fans have been thinking: Well hell, if Anthony insists on playing for the Knicks, why give up anything for him? Why not just sign him as a free agent?

Sheridan, who says it's 75 percent likely a trade will happen before the trade deadline, explains:
Carmelo is under contract through next season, but he has an opt-out (actually an ETO, basically the same thing). So Carmelo is not considered an expiring contract, and he remains tradeable right up until June 30 if the Nuggets hang onto him past the deadline. Also, the extension that's sitting on the table is good through June 30, too. This is a piece of leverage the Nuggets hold over the Knicks, because N.Y. needs to make the trade by Feb. 24 in order to include Eddy Curry's expiring contract in the deal. And you need the Curry money to make the salaries match.

... No one knows what the rules of the new collective bargaining agreement will be, and there could be a lockout. If you trade for him this season and sign him to the extension, you have the piece of mind of knowing that he's on your roster for the next five years, no matter how long the lockout (if there is one) lasts.

Don't we still have enough room to sign Melo after June 30th if/when he decides to opt out?

Hell yes we do. Takes some maneuvering, but yes.

scoshin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

scoshin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Curry/Azubuike/AR for Melo. That's it. Why would be drive up the price if we can set it ourselves?

We still have to beat out teams who may be willing to rent Melo. They won't offer a lot, but surely they'd offer more than just Randolph/Curry. That's such a craptastic package that Denver would likely just hang up the phone.

I still think Gallo or Chandler will be included for Melo. One of them will be expendable anyway with Melo on the team. These latest developments just means that Denver will now be more willing to accept this offer, but I don't think we'd go so far as to lowball them.

Name a team willing to trade for Melo as a half year rental. Now, are these teams you just mentioned willing to gut their team to get Melo. Melo has a huge contract. They would need to make a 3 for 1 package assuming they have a contract like Fat Curry.

Any GM would not risk getting fired by trading for Melo for just a little over a half a year and sending almost all their assets to get him. That is just not good business.

Dallas giving up Beaubois + Butler's expiring + 1st is not gutting the team, and Melo will be hardpressed not to resign on a stacked team like that.

Same goes for Orlando with a deal surrounding say Vince's expiring + Orton + Gortat for Melo/Harrington.

Yeah, these aren't great packages...they can't and probably won't offer more...but they still beat out a crap AR/'Buike package.

Your Dallas package, you need to add more contract. You would need to add either Marion or Haywood to make the trade work. I don't think Dallas will trade for Melo for a half year rental for that much asset.

For Orlando, Vince for Carmelo works straight up but why would you get Vince at that money at his age for 1 more year. They want assets not expiring for the following year. Adding Harrington for Denver and Orton/Gortat for Orlando does not work as per realgm trade checker.

Gettting Curry's expiring and the talents of AR is a lot better than both those packages I believe.

NYKBocker wrote:

scoshin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

scoshin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Curry/Azubuike/AR for Melo. That's it. Why would be drive up the price if we can set it ourselves?

We still have to beat out teams who may be willing to rent Melo. They won't offer a lot, but surely they'd offer more than just Randolph/Curry. That's such a craptastic package that Denver would likely just hang up the phone.

I still think Gallo or Chandler will be included for Melo. One of them will be expendable anyway with Melo on the team. These latest developments just means that Denver will now be more willing to accept this offer, but I don't think we'd go so far as to lowball them.

Name a team willing to trade for Melo as a half year rental. Now, are these teams you just mentioned willing to gut their team to get Melo. Melo has a huge contract. They would need to make a 3 for 1 package assuming they have a contract like Fat Curry.

Any GM would not risk getting fired by trading for Melo for just a little over a half a year and sending almost all their assets to get him. That is just not good business.

Dallas giving up Beaubois + Butler's expiring + 1st is not gutting the team, and Melo will be hardpressed not to resign on a stacked team like that.

Same goes for Orlando with a deal surrounding say Vince's expiring + Orton + Gortat for Melo/Harrington.

Yeah, these aren't great packages...they can't and probably won't offer more...but they still beat out a crap AR/'Buike package.

Your Dallas package, you need to add more contract. You would need to add either Marion or Haywood to make the trade work. I don't think Dallas will trade for Melo for a half year rental for that much asset.

For Orlando, Vince for Carmelo works straight up but why would you get Vince at that money at his age for 1 more year. They want assets not expiring for the following year. Adding Harrington for Denver and Orton/Gortat for Orlando does not work as per realgm trade checker.

Gettting Curry's expiring and the talents of AR is a lot better than both those packages I believe.

I was just naming the principals. Caron Butler + Deshawn Stevenson + Beaubois + 1st rounders works under the cap rules, and also saves Denver an extra $3M from luxury tax payments.

Vince is an expiring, his next year is unguaranteed. He's included to match contracts. And even then, at least Denver gets a servicable player over fatass Eddy Curry. Adding Harrington for Orton/Gortat does work, and if you're using RealGM trade checker, it's only stopping you cause Harrington can't be traded until Dec. 15.

I'm not making the argument that these are good packages. They're pretty awful and they're likely the best Orlando or Dallas can and are willing to offer. But they're just as competitive with a Curry/AR package, and if you think otherwise, you're likely overrating the value of AR.

NYKBocker wrote:
My point is that there are no other teams that will want to trade for Melo if they are not signing him for an extension. It is difficult enough to make trades without limiting yourself to your trade partners. Denver does not have a lot of options. Overrating AR is not the point. If Denver does not want to lose Melo ala LeDouche then the only thing we are giving them is Fat Eddy's expiring and AR. Azabuike is contract filler.

The teams that want to trade for Melo are the Nets and Chicago. If they are willing to gut their team for a half year rental then good for them. I will wait for Melo in the summer.

I wouldn't go so far as to say there are no teams willing to rent Melo. If the price is low enough and the GM feels that Melo's addition may push them over the hump and get them the championship, they may risk it...just as Detroit did when they traded for an expiring Rasheed Wallace, who had publicly stated he was going to sign with NY in the offseason. A championship run can change any player's mind.

My point is that we have to beat these teams' offers. And it's pretty easy to do since their likely best offers are pretty garbage. But I doubt AR/Curry/'Buike/2014 1st gets the job done, and that's also an insult to Denver's FO.

scoshin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:
My point is that there are no other teams that will want to trade for Melo if they are not signing him for an extension. It is difficult enough to make trades without limiting yourself to your trade partners. Denver does not have a lot of options. Overrating AR is not the point. If Denver does not want to lose Melo ala LeDouche then the only thing we are giving them is Fat Eddy's expiring and AR. Azabuike is contract filler.

The teams that want to trade for Melo are the Nets and Chicago. If they are willing to gut their team for a half year rental then good for them. I will wait for Melo in the summer.

I wouldn't go so far as to say there are no teams willing to rent Melo. If the price is low enough and the GM feels that Melo's addition may push them over the hump and get them the championship, they may risk it...just as Detroit did when they traded for an expiring Rasheed Wallace, who had publicly stated he was going to sign with NY in the offseason. A championship run can change any player's mind.

My point is that we have to beat these teams' offers. And it's pretty easy to do since their likely best offers are pretty garbage. But I doubt AR/Curry/'Buike/2014 1st gets the job done, and that's also an insult to Denver's FO.

kind of a bad comparison cause Detroit gave up nada for Wallace and there really wasn't much of a threat from Rasheed to land in a particular spot.

nixluva wrote:Melo wants to be here PERIOD! Thing is what does DW want to do? This thing with Denver is likely to go on
until the trade deadline and who knows what our situation will be then. It may be that Walsh feels less inclined
to give them what they want. I think this thing ends badly for Denver. Their best play is to make a deal now
rather than wait. By waiting the pressure shifts even more onto them to make something happen. Forget it if
we're in the playoffs with a high seed. Then DW will really play hardball with them. It might end up being a
deal of Fields, AR, AZ, Curry and picks.

Trade ID #5764314
Congratulations on a successful trade.
Due to Denver and New York being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Denver and New York had 
to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did 
happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Change in Team Outlook: +2.1 ppg, +2.7 rpg, and +1.3 apg.
Incoming Players
	Carmelo Anthony
6-8 SF from Syracuse
23.1 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 3.3 apg in 34.8 minutes
Outgoing Players
	Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
No games yet played in 2010-2011
	Kelenna Azubuike
6-5 SG from Kentucky
No games yet played in 2010-2011
	Anthony Randolph
6-10 PF from LSU
11.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.5 apg in 21.0 minutes
	Landry Fields
6-7 from Stanford
9.5 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.8 minutes

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/#ixzz1831tJDvv

Fields is not getting traded.

The reality is back to Melo not enforcing the full leverage of ONLY going to the Knicks. If he really wanted to come to NY, he'd play out the season and sign as a free-agent when the smoke from the CBA clears. He could start signing NYC-based endorsements once his season ends and be ready to sign with the Knicks when the lockout ends. That way he doesn't gut the team he's so interested in playing for... But he's made it clear that he wants that extension money, so it's gonna cost whatever team he's traded a lot of talent and a lot of money.

Who is the "source"?

Until an author is willing to attribute the quote to a person it is ALL fabricated. To the very last word.

The Knicks do not need Carmelo Anthony. Carmelo Anthony needs the NYKnicks for leverage.

Pass