Allanfan20 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

crzymdups wrote:obviously, if we traded for Melo, it'd be a situation where we would have to take a step back to take two or three steps forward. it would take another off-season, probably, to get the roster making sense with complimentary players around Amare, Melo and Felton... but if you get the right players, you are talking about a possible championship mix.

i don't want to give up the house in a melo trade. i refuse to give up Fields. I would give them ONE of gallo/chandler and AR and eddy. if they want to move AR for a first rounder, they (denver) can do it themselves.

Why would we taking step back? AR and Mosgov dont even get burn. Chandler is playing for a contract has has been injury prone in the previous years. Fields is rookie who has played 25 games. Gallinari has looked like a future star either.

None of those guys should be deal breakers in a trade. This would the equivalent of Boston refusing to include Gerald Green and Ryan Gomes in the Garnett trade or Miami refusing to trade Beasley.

If we could deal AR, Gallo, Chandler, and Fields that would be a steal in my eyes because none of those guys have carried a team nor will they in all likelihood.

it's a step back because they'd be breaking up a balanced roster that has great chemistry. is that really even a question at this point?

Balanced roster? On paper on in real games. I dont see a team with any defense on the floor. This is a lopsided team toward offense.

...yet you want to give up everything for Carmello who is all offensive but nothing out of the ordinary on defense at best.

Giving everything for him would be the dumbest mistake this franchise would make. We would have no trade assets, no salary cap and the same team that wouldn't compete for a championship due to lack of depth.

Yet if people are so desperate for Carmello, then fine, go get him in the Summer and all you have to worry about is Wilson Chandler and the MLE who nobody special will sign for anyway.

Or we could keep our scoring assets, keep our solid perimeter defenders, get a guy like Gasol in the Summer and we have an actual balanced team with a superstar and a guy who can defend the frontcourt in the starting lineup AND on the bench.

We'd have trade assets because Denver would have send players back because they dont have the roster spots to absorb 5+ players.

Boston didnt have depth and they won an NBA Championship.

Allanfan20 wrote:You're too obsessed with the guy and he's not even in the same league as LeBron/Kobe/Wade, yet you act like he is. Did you watch the game? He had the big stats, but his impact wasn't that great. It was Nene that had the biggest impact at all, and that's b/c we had the undersized Stoudemire guarding him.

Why is Wade grouped with Kobe and Lebron? Wade and Carmelo are on the same level.

So we are going to ignore Carmelo's previous 7 years and focus on Carmelo's single game today to summarize him as a player? Carmelo had a hand in his face all night and still shot pretty well. I'd like to see Chandler, Gallo, or Fields do that on the nightly basis against other teams top defenders.

OldFan wrote:So getting Melo for 3 starters is going to improve our defense?

If giving up Curry, AR, Chandler, Gallo and Fields for Melo is a steal why would Denver give us anything else of value? How would Al help our defense?
How do you fit him under the cap?

Who are all these good defensive bigs that you can get for nothing? Good defensive players especially bigs have value and we need one who can play significant minutes and won't be so bad offensively that opposing teams can double Amare at will. You're not getting that type of player for nothing.

Getting Melo for 3 rotation players, one that may get you a first round pick and our cap space, makes our defense worse, makes our bench worse and leaves us no assets to fill the holes. If you think Melo, Amare and Felton can carry you to a championship with almost nothing around them then it's a good trade. I don't think they can and I see no way to make the necessary improvements if we gave that much up on a trade for Melo.

- Getting Melo does not improve our defense. However since Carmelo and Amare will be carrying the bulk of the offense you can get away with a big who lacks offense. If you have Carmelo teams arent likely to be doubling Amare no matter who is playing center.

- No one says Melo, Amare, and Felton alone can carry us to an NBA championship. Im saying getting those guys together now makes the process easier.

- If we miss out on Melo all together we are SCREWED and that is the reality of the situation. Can the Knicks afford to strike out on Melo like we did Lebron and Wade? I dont think so.

TMS wrote:i don't think there's any way DW gives up all 4 of our young kids to get Melo to NY... i think at this point w/the latest news about Melo not wanting to sign anywhere else but NY, i think we give up at most 2 out of the 4... at that price i think u have to pull the trigger.

Do you do it if the two are Landry and Gallo?

TMS wrote:i don't think there's any way DW gives up all 4 of our young kids to get Melo to NY... i think at this point w/the latest news about Melo not wanting to sign anywhere else but NY, i think we give up at most 2 out of the 4... at that price i think u have to pull the trigger.

I didnt think Walsh would cave to Morey's demands and trade Fishlips, Jordan Hill, and our 2012 pick for cap space either.

Can Walsh afford to strike out on Melo this summer? I dont think so.

Would Dolan pass up the chance to acquire Melo? I dont think so.

Carmelo + Amare = $$$$$$$

Ticket prices through the roof once again.

Seems most like Chandler as it's been said time and time again we'd have to renounce him to sign melo anyway, but I can't seem to understand people not noticing that melo led his team in rebounding and scored 30 points while 0-4 from down town.

And have we all forgotten the nuggets lakers playoff game when melo played pretty darn good defense on kobi (who is the best player in the league, and if he's not now most definitely was then)

The amnesia is scary.

Melo is the total package...if wade were a lockdown defender, maybe I'd give you he's not being in the same class as melo, but everyone knows melo is top 5 in the league and came back from missing two games due to injury and got 30/16.

If not for a charging call, may have stolen a game.

He wasn't spectacular, and was pretty darn solid...Chandler played over his head and had lesser stats.

I love the big 3 here and there, but melo provides the big bucket every game.

Don't bet the farm, but let's please slow down on the "melo sucks on defense" talk.

He's better than galo in EVERY phase of his game, defense included, and I'd still rather give up Chandler.

Chandler is melo light, gallo just seems to have something that would work with our newly formed trifecta:
Felton, fields, melo, gallo, amare
Bench turiaf, Douglas, timofey

Mda plays a 7 man rotation, you could start turiaf and make gallo sixth man of the year, but either way...that team would be in the discussions for a title.

A curry, Chandler, AR and other body trade Denver can stomach, and so can we.

Keeping Chandler and giving up gallo may make more sense as we would have scoring and Chandler can play multiple positions. But I have a feeling this is a pro gallo board. :-)

crzymdups wrote:

TMS wrote:i don't think there's any way DW gives up all 4 of our young kids to get Melo to NY... i think at this point w/the latest news about Melo not wanting to sign anywhere else but NY, i think we give up at most 2 out of the 4... at that price i think u have to pull the trigger.

Do you do it if the two are Landry and Gallo?

that is the offer that scares me... i really don't want to give up Fields, he's so versatile & i can picture him doing well playing with just about anyone... giving up Gallo & AR would be the obvious choice if we had to pick 2 out of the 4 at this point... even still, when u consider the fact that we'd be able to retain both Wilson & AR & adding Melo to this roster, i think it's a deal u can't pass up on... the entire argument against Melo is that no one wants to gut the entire roster to obtain him... well giving up 2 of the 4 young guys we have would not entail gutting the roster & you'd be adding a top 3 scorer in the NBA... that's too good to pass up on IMHO.

TMS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

TMS wrote:i don't think there's any way DW gives up all 4 of our young kids to get Melo to NY... i think at this point w/the latest news about Melo not wanting to sign anywhere else but NY, i think we give up at most 2 out of the 4... at that price i think u have to pull the trigger.

Do you do it if the two are Landry and Gallo?

that is the offer that scares me... i really don't want to give up Fields, he's so versatile & i can picture him doing well playing with just about anyone... giving up Gallo & AR would be the obvious choice if we had to pick 2 out of the 4 at this point... even still, when u consider the fact that we'd be able to retain both Wilson & AR & adding Melo to this roster, i think it's a deal u can't pass up on... the entire argument against Melo is that no one wants to gut the entire roster to obtain him... well giving up 2 of the 4 young guys we have would not entail gutting the roster & you'd be adding a top 3 scorer in the NBA... that's too good to pass up on IMHO.

i go back and forth... but i love fields and i can see him making huge plays in the playoffs over and over.

i think that denver will ask for gallo, fields and a #1 pick (which we'll need to trade AR to get) + curry's deal.

it's a tough pill to swallow. that's why i think it's what they'll ask for.

babyKnicks wrote:

TMS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

TMS wrote:i don't think there's any way DW gives up all 4 of our young kids to get Melo to NY... i think at this point w/the latest news about Melo not wanting to sign anywhere else but NY, i think we give up at most 2 out of the 4... at that price i think u have to pull the trigger.

Do you do it if the two are Landry and Gallo?

that is the offer that scares me... i really don't want to give up Fields, he's so versatile & i can picture him doing well playing with just about anyone... giving up Gallo & AR would be the obvious choice if we had to pick 2 out of the 4 at this point... even still, when u consider the fact that we'd be able to retain both Wilson & AR & adding Melo to this roster, i think it's a deal u can't pass up on... the entire argument against Melo is that no one wants to gut the entire roster to obtain him... well giving up 2 of the 4 young guys we have would not entail gutting the roster & you'd be adding a top 3 scorer in the NBA... that's too good to pass up on IMHO.

I'm not as high on AR as I am gallo. But I'm willing to part with 2 of 3, fields is off the table IMHO. Defense and doesn't need the ball...we have more than enough OTHER players to include in a deal.

i'm not as high on AR as i am on Gallo either... if we could get Melo for AR & Fields, you still wouldn't do it?

crzymdups wrote:

TMS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

TMS wrote:i don't think there's any way DW gives up all 4 of our young kids to get Melo to NY... i think at this point w/the latest news about Melo not wanting to sign anywhere else but NY, i think we give up at most 2 out of the 4... at that price i think u have to pull the trigger.

Do you do it if the two are Landry and Gallo?

that is the offer that scares me... i really don't want to give up Fields, he's so versatile & i can picture him doing well playing with just about anyone... giving up Gallo & AR would be the obvious choice if we had to pick 2 out of the 4 at this point... even still, when u consider the fact that we'd be able to retain both Wilson & AR & adding Melo to this roster, i think it's a deal u can't pass up on... the entire argument against Melo is that no one wants to gut the entire roster to obtain him... well giving up 2 of the 4 young guys we have would not entail gutting the roster & you'd be adding a top 3 scorer in the NBA... that's too good to pass up on IMHO.

i go back and forth... but i love fields and i can see him making huge plays in the playoffs over and over.

i think that denver will ask for gallo, fields and a #1 pick (which we'll need to trade AR to get) + curry's deal.

it's a tough pill to swallow. that's why i think it's what they'll ask for.

Donnie bargains from strength right now so it's not what they'll ask for but what NY is willing to give them. That's the conversation, or they risk losing Melo for nada.