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martin
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9/24/2010  9:36 PM
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All I know is Carmelo will be feasting on fools in the Eastern Conference. They may not be a top seed but if you got Melo I say your chances are pretty dam good.

Oh and trading Harris(aka Crawford lite) is addition by subtraction.

i don't see Melo feasting anymore than Amare and Gallo and AR and Felton.

or do the Knicks not play in the watered-down East as well?

It's just more self hate from damaged Knick fans. We have such low self esteem from all the years of losing. Our All Star won't be feasting on the PF's in the East, but Melo will be. TYPICAL!

Thanks Dr. Phil.

Melo lit up Lebron for 40. I dont see Gallo or Randolph doing that anytime soon.

how does 1 game stats make a point? Charles Smith and Crawford both scored 50 points in a game during their careers, so what, right?

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9/24/2010  9:50 PM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:

All I know is Carmelo will be feasting on fools in the Eastern Conference. They may not be a top seed but if you got Melo I say your chances are pretty dam good.

Oh and trading Harris(aka Crawford lite) is addition by subtraction.

i don't see Melo feasting anymore than Amare and Gallo and AR and Felton.

or do the Knicks not play in the watered-down East as well?

It's just more self hate from damaged Knick fans. We have such low self esteem from all the years of losing. Our All Star won't be feasting on the PF's in the East, but Melo will be. TYPICAL!

Thanks Dr. Phil.

Melo lit up Lebron for 40. I dont see Gallo or Randolph doing that anytime soon.

how does 1 game stats make a point? Charles Smith and Crawford both scored 50 points in a game during their careers, so what, right?

Jamal Crawford didnt nearly lead the league in scoring. Seriously man why even bring up Crawford in the same sentence as Melo.

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9/24/2010  9:58 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:

All I know is Carmelo will be feasting on fools in the Eastern Conference. They may not be a top seed but if you got Melo I say your chances are pretty dam good.

Oh and trading Harris(aka Crawford lite) is addition by subtraction.

i don't see Melo feasting anymore than Amare and Gallo and AR and Felton.

or do the Knicks not play in the watered-down East as well?

It's just more self hate from damaged Knick fans. We have such low self esteem from all the years of losing. Our All Star won't be feasting on the PF's in the East, but Melo will be. TYPICAL!

Thanks Dr. Phil.

Melo lit up Lebron for 40. I dont see Gallo or Randolph doing that anytime soon.

how does 1 game stats make a point? Charles Smith and Crawford both scored 50 points in a game during their careers, so what, right?

Jamal Crawford didnt nearly lead the league in scoring. Seriously man why even bring up Crawford in the same sentence as Melo.

Can we bring up Glenn Robinson in the same sentence as Melo?

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9/24/2010  10:00 PM
nixluva wrote:AnubisADL - There is no more pressure on the Gallo and AR than there already was for them to perform. Melo not coming hasn't changed anything. Those 2 kids being ready to make the jump to the next level is already determined right now. They're games have either developed at this point or they haven't and we'll know soon enough.

Vmart - Walsh has plenty of balls and I think he never really wanted Melo here anyway. I think he and Mike are extremely satisfied with the roster, but don't want to jinx themselves by sounding as if they don't need a player like Melo, when in fact I think they don't feel they need him. I think they probably feel what it would've taken to make it happen wasn't worth what it would've meant to the team in terms of wins. Donnie is probably sleeping like a baby right NOW! LOL.

Swishfm3 - Just wait to see how much players will want to be here after this season.

Nixluva, he wanted Melo here or he wouldn't have been fishing around for First round pick. Now all our eggs are in the AR, Gallo and Chandler basket. I hope they become great players.

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9/24/2010  10:04 PM
The Nets have some very nice pieces but ultimately the Knicks will be a superior team.

We are a deep and long team. We should be able to bring a great deal of energy to every single game.

I think with the guys w ehave who can dominate and or score in the paint--our shooters will have great looks--if we play the D we are capable of I think the +- differential will go + in a big time way. This has the potential to be a great show every night. I have 0 feelings about Melo--I like our team as is.

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9/24/2010  10:25 PM
BRIGGS wrote:The Nets have some very nice pieces but ultimately the Knicks will be a superior team.

We are a deep and long team. We should be able to bring a great deal of energy to every single game.

I think with the guys w ehave who can dominate and or score in the paint--our shooters will have great looks--if we play the D we are capable of I think the +- differential will go + in a big time way. This has the potential to be a great show every night. I have 0 feelings about Melo--I like our team as is.

I'm not worried about the nyets getting Melo- we've got to worry about our own team, and I think we'll have a better team than the Nets with Melo minus the pieces they are giving up.

Honestly, Melo is Al Harrington 2.0. Yes, the scoring is better, but its volume shooting and killing team play.

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9/24/2010  10:33 PM
Would Melo still be Harrington 2.0 if the Knicks acquired him?
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9/24/2010  10:33 PM
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BRIGGS wrote:The Nets have some very nice pieces but ultimately the Knicks will be a superior team.

We are a deep and long team. We should be able to bring a great deal of energy to every single game.

I think with the guys w ehave who can dominate and or score in the paint--our shooters will have great looks--if we play the D we are capable of I think the +- differential will go + in a big time way. This has the potential to be a great show every night. I have 0 feelings about Melo--I like our team as is.

I'm not worried about the nyets getting Melo- we've got to worry about our own team, and I think we'll have a better team than the Nets with Melo minus the pieces they are giving up.

Honestly, Melo is Al Harrington 2.0. Yes, the scoring is better, but its volume shooting and killing team play.

i am feeling the Melo is a better Glenn Robinson more than Al Harrington. Although I would say I don't know much about Glenn - his motivation died out, right?

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9/24/2010  10:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/24/2010  10:41 PM
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s3231 wrote:I'm surprised a lot of people here think this means that Melo really doesn't want to play for the Knicks. To me, it speaks to the Knicks' inability over the past few years to accumulate the assets necessary to pull a deal like this off. Or if you don't want to look at it that way, you can also say that maybe Donnie just didn't want Melo that badly as he knew the price wouldbe extremely high (would confirm the notion that the Knicks showed a lack of aggressiveness in this pursuit). I don't see how you can put this on Melo though considering be has left a lot of money on the table up till now and every report has suggested that he was waiting on the Knicks.

Truth is, this has gotten so out of hand that Melo basically cannot go back to Denver (making a trade more likely and diminishing our chances at him). I think he could have handled this better if his ultimate goal was to be a Knick (e.g He could have turned down Denver's extension outright and said that he wanted to wait until free agency to ensure the team was going in the right direction, which he had a right to do). By staying quiet though, he has turned into the bad guy and given Denver enough leverage to force him to determine his fate now (and not in FA). He could have shrewdly put this on Denver by making them look bad for trying to trade him but he missed that opportunity. LeBron outplayed Melo on this one.

2 years ago Donnie inherited a crap of a roster, the #6 pick in 2008, #8 pick in 2009, no pick in 2010. How do you accumulate assets?

I'm not blaming Donnie for everything as I think he's had a strong off-season and didn't have much to work with in the beginning. I'm just saying, we weren't able to add enough to get something of this magnitude done without depleting our roster. I don't think I'm saying anything controversial with that statement.

I do think a higher pick in 09 would have helped tremendously (after trading Randolph+Crawford, we clearly did not have the talent to compete with other playoff teams) and maybe one tank season would have helped us out. I don't like tanking as much as the next guy but being mediocre usually ends up being worse if we look at NBA history. Hell, the Nets were a joke last season but that will quickly be forgotten if they get Melo out of it.

Again, not being a pessimist here as I like the current squad a lot but just saying, I don't think it makes sense to blame Melo for the Knicks not getting him.

I think Donnie has done a solid job with what he has inherited but as I've said before, I do wish we had done some things differently. It kind of puts you down when you realize that we've been losing for the last decade and we are still playing catch up with assets (again, I don't put that all on Donnie as Isiah screwed us over more in that department). That's why I said the "Knicks" inability to get assets and didn't mention Donnie by name.

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9/24/2010  10:42 PM
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:The Nets have some very nice pieces but ultimately the Knicks will be a superior team.

We are a deep and long team. We should be able to bring a great deal of energy to every single game.

I think with the guys w ehave who can dominate and or score in the paint--our shooters will have great looks--if we play the D we are capable of I think the +- differential will go + in a big time way. This has the potential to be a great show every night. I have 0 feelings about Melo--I like our team as is.

I'm not worried about the nyets getting Melo- we've got to worry about our own team, and I think we'll have a better team than the Nets with Melo minus the pieces they are giving up.

Honestly, Melo is Al Harrington 2.0. Yes, the scoring is better, but its volume shooting and killing team play.

i am feeling the Melo is a better Glenn Robinson more than Al Harrington. Although I would say I don't know much about Glenn - his motivation died out, right?

yeah, he didn't really take of himself, either. i feel like melo doesn't seem like he's in the best shape either... but maybe that's not fair. but i feel like their games are very similar. melo takes a few more shots per game and a few more free throws per game and because of that scores more, but otherwise their numbers across the board are pretty similar.

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9/24/2010  10:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 9/24/2010  10:45 PM
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martin wrote:
s3231 wrote:I'm surprised a lot of people here think this means that Melo really doesn't want to play for the Knicks. To me, it speaks to the Knicks' inability over the past few years to accumulate the assets necessary to pull a deal like this off. Or if you don't want to look at it that way, you can also say that maybe Donnie just didn't want Melo that badly as he knew the price wouldbe extremely high (would confirm the notion that the Knicks showed a lack of aggressiveness in this pursuit). I don't see how you can put this on Melo though considering be has left a lot of money on the table up till now and every report has suggested that he was waiting on the Knicks.

Truth is, this has gotten so out of hand that Melo basically cannot go back to Denver (making a trade more likely and diminishing our chances at him). I think he could have handled this better if his ultimate goal was to be a Knick (e.g He could have turned down Denver's extension outright and said that he wanted to wait until free agency to ensure the team was going in the right direction, which he had a right to do). By staying quiet though, he has turned into the bad guy and given Denver enough leverage to force him to determine his fate now (and not in FA). He could have shrewdly put this on Denver by making them look bad for trying to trade him but he missed that opportunity. LeBron outplayed Melo on this one.

2 years ago Donnie inherited a crap of a roster, the #6 pick in 2008, #8 pick in 2009, no pick in 2010. How do you accumulate assets?

I'm not blaming Donnie for everything as I think he's had a strong off-season and didn't have much to work with in the beginning. I'm just saying, we weren't able to add enough to get something of this magnitude done without depleting our roster. I don't think I'm saying anything controversial with that statement.

I do think a higher pick in 09 would have helped tremendously (after trading Randolph+Crawford, we clearly did not have the talent to compete with other playoff teams) and maybe one tank season would have helped us out. I don't like tanking as much as the next guy but being mediocre usually ends up being worse if we look at NBA history. Hell, the Nets were a joke last season but that will quickly be forgotten if they get Melo out of it.

Again, not being a pessimist here as I like the current squad a lot but just saying, I don't think it makes sense to blame Melo for the Knicks not getting him.

I think Donnie has done a solid job with what he has inherited but as I've said before, I do wish we had done some things differently. It kind of puts you down when you realize that we've been losing for the last decade and we are still playing catch up with assets (again, I don't put that all on Donnie as Isiah screwed us over more in that department). That's why I said the "Knicks" inability to get assets and didn't mention Donnie by name.

Of course, all of this talk about why we didn't get Melo could be premature if the Nets deal doesn't even get completed.

"This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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9/24/2010  10:47 PM
This really stinks. I never thought this summer/offseason would be such a disappointment. It wasn't supposed to be this way. We just can't catch a break. I feel like an Oakland Raiders fan.
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9/24/2010  10:49 PM
Some of you are crazy if you think we are better than New Jersey or Charlotte after this trade. The Nets will start Brook Lopez, Troy Murphy and Melo in the frontcourt. That's two 7' double/double players and a 30 ppg scorer. Their backcourt is young but Anthony Morrow can shoot and Jordan Farmer is solid. And Avery Johnson is an excellent coach. They win 41-45 games easily.
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9/24/2010  10:52 PM
iSergio wrote:Some of you are crazy if you think we are better than New Jersey or Charlotte after this trade. The Nets will start Brook Lopez, Troy Murphy and Melo in the frontcourt. That's two 7' double/double players and a 30 ppg scorer. Their backcourt is young but Anthony Morrow can shoot and Jordan Farmer is solid. And Avery Johnson is an excellent coach. They win 41-45 games easily.

Troy Murphy is not 7-feet and he's closer to retiring than averaging a double double.

Basketball is about more than putting together a bunch of scoring averages and adding up the numbers. The Nets would be thin, as in no depth. Terrible backcourt. Jordan Farmar is not remotely a starting PG for a playoffs team.

35 wins.

I don't see Melo agreeing to this deal, honestly. Unless his wife REALLY wants to live in NYC.

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9/24/2010  10:52 PM
iSergio wrote:Some of you are crazy if you think we are better than New Jersey or Charlotte after this trade. The Nets will start Brook Lopez, Troy Murphy and Melo in the frontcourt. That's two 7' double/double players and a 30 ppg scorer. Their backcourt is young but Anthony Morrow can shoot and Jordan Farmer is solid. And Avery Johnson is an excellent coach. They win 41-45 games easily.

We see this every season. Even last year guys were talking about us improving our record since most of team was coming back for a 2nd season. We then proceed to win 29 games.

NJ will be constructed almost like Memphis with the bulk of their points coming from the forward and center positions.

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9/24/2010  10:54 PM
And Charlotte with Stephen Jackson, Gerald Wallace and Devin Harris is better then their 44 win team last year.
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9/24/2010  10:55 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
iSergio wrote:Some of you are crazy if you think we are better than New Jersey or Charlotte after this trade. The Nets will start Brook Lopez, Troy Murphy and Melo in the frontcourt. That's two 7' double/double players and a 30 ppg scorer. Their backcourt is young but Anthony Morrow can shoot and Jordan Farmer is solid. And Avery Johnson is an excellent coach. They win 41-45 games easily.

We see this every season. Even last year guys were talking about us improving our record since most of team was coming back for a 2nd season. We then proceed to win 29 games.

NJ will be constructed almost like Memphis with the bulk of their points coming from the forward and center positions.

Almost... except they have no OJ Mayo at SG or Zach Randolph at PF.

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9/24/2010  10:55 PM
iSergio wrote:And Charlotte with Stephen Jackson, Gerald Wallace and Devin Harris is better then their 44 win team last year.

Uh. No. Not without Diaw and Tyson Chandler.

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9/24/2010  10:59 PM
crzymdups wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
iSergio wrote:Some of you are crazy if you think we are better than New Jersey or Charlotte after this trade. The Nets will start Brook Lopez, Troy Murphy and Melo in the frontcourt. That's two 7' double/double players and a 30 ppg scorer. Their backcourt is young but Anthony Morrow can shoot and Jordan Farmer is solid. And Avery Johnson is an excellent coach. They win 41-45 games easily.

We see this every season. Even last year guys were talking about us improving our record since most of team was coming back for a 2nd season. We then proceed to win 29 games.

NJ will be constructed almost like Memphis with the bulk of their points coming from the forward and center positions.

Almost... except they have no OJ Mayo at SG or Zach Randolph at PF.


The Nets are also in the Eastern conference.

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9/24/2010  11:04 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
iSergio wrote:Some of you are crazy if you think we are better than New Jersey or Charlotte after this trade. The Nets will start Brook Lopez, Troy Murphy and Melo in the frontcourt. That's two 7' double/double players and a 30 ppg scorer. Their backcourt is young but Anthony Morrow can shoot and Jordan Farmer is solid. And Avery Johnson is an excellent coach. They win 41-45 games easily.

We see this every season. Even last year guys were talking about us improving our record since most of team was coming back for a 2nd season. We then proceed to win 29 games.

NJ will be constructed almost like Memphis with the bulk of their points coming from the forward and center positions.

Almost... except they have no OJ Mayo at SG or Zach Randolph at PF.


The Nets are also in the Eastern conference.

So are the Knicks. And you do realize that Carlos Boozer, Amare Stoudemire and co came to the East, right? No one went West. the power in the league is shifting back East. Miami, Boston, Chicago, Orlando, Atlanta, New York, Milwaukee are all miles better than the Nets even with Melo

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