AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Ok..so we trade Randolph or Gallo or both in some package for Melo

PG:
SG:
SF: Melo $15-$20M
PF: Amare $20 M
C:

$35-$40 Million on 2 starters.

How much does that leave to fill out the rest of the roster?

Is that roster just doomed to losing in the ECF to Miami every season or...

does the remaining money which Miami is paying to Bosh allow us to fill out the roster in a more balanced way?

PG: Felton
SG: Scrub
SF: Melo $15-$20M
PF: Amare $20 M
C: Scrub

We use the MLE and spend on buying picks to help fill out the roster year after year.

PG: Felton $7-8 M (he got a 2 year deal for $15.8) M

so $42.8- 47.8 M for Felton, Amare, Melo.

I think this is close to what Miami is paying for their big 3..around $48 M per season...

our extra $6 M better be WISELY spent and I guess we could get some guys to sign for a discount..?

Ideally we would take back JR Smith or Nene to give us more salary to trade for future assets.

uhhh..

so Carmelo + JR SMith

or Carmelo + Nene for

who????

Nene doesn't really seem like someone Denver would casually throw into a trade....

nixluva wrote:Thing is we DON'T need scoring. I think this team can score plenty. Not that we couldn't use a closer like Melo, but more than anything we need the length and defensive ability of the guys we have now. We lose that length and defense sending a bunch of guys away for Melo's scoring, which will likely only matter late in games.

Last year MDA admitted that he slowed things down and we still scored a lot of points. The problem was how many we gave up. Melo doesn't effect our defense ONE BIT. Does anyone think our problem is likely to be scoring? I think being able to have superior length, mobility and shotblocking out there in crunchtime is gonna mean more to our win totally than adding a great scorer. Without Melo I expect this team will avg 107 ppg or so. What would that be with him 120? I don't think so. I think it avg's out about the same. It's the D that i'm worried about.

I agree with you for the most part, but sometimes a guy who can get his own shot and score late in game also becomes the leader of the team, and like with MJ, can transfer his energy and help to motivate other players making them better. That transcendant scorer-as-leader is what we're looking for in a guy like Melo. He seems like the kind of player who would lift up his team as the primary scorer. I wish Melo would take fewer shots at a higher percentage and get better assist numbers. That would make him a more complete offensive player and help offset the play-making abilities we lost with Lee's departure.

tkf wrote:

TMS wrote:

tkf wrote:

TMS wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Why are people so in love with Melo?

speaking for myself, i'm not in love w/Melo... in fact i don't even really like his style of play... but you're a sucker if you think Gallo or AR will grow into as good a player as he is IMO.

then why bother with melo... if you don't like his style of play, why give up that kind of potential? you don't know what kind of player these two kids will grow into.. what we do know now that gallo is a pretty good player and Ar has shown flashes.... these are not 4th year players who are struggling to find their way.. they are guys who basically played parts of two seasons , and during which time have shown the type of game that got GM's high on them in the first place... melo is not the final piece to a championship here... sorry man... if we need him that much..we sign him as a FA...

because i have no idea how good AR will turn out to be, & while i really like Gallinari & always have, i don't think he'll ever be as good as Melo either... so in the end, the question comes down to who i think will improve this team more, & IMO i think Melo would, although i would much prefer if we could trade for CP3 as i've said many times before, but that bus seems to have left the station.

why does gallo have to be as good as melo? he and randolph both can bring us things that melo doesn't.. isn't there value in that? this is not about a head for head exchange here...

of course there's value in Gallo being good... don't get it twisted, i don't think he's worthless... u know as well as anyone i've been 1 of his biggest defenders here while guys were labelling him a stiff legged bust... but in the end i root for the logo... if i think Melo will improve this team over Gallo at the SF, then the decision is made for me... whatever other players u have to give up can be replaced by other guys... we have never had 2 guys the likes of Amare & Melo playing on the same team before... barring a trade for CP3 i don't think u can get much better than that in our current situation.

CrushAlot wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

nixluva wrote:Thing is we DON'T need scoring. I think this team can score plenty. Not that we couldn't use a closer like Melo, but more than anything we need the length and defensive ability of the guys we have now. We lose that length and defense sending a bunch of guys away for Melo's scoring, which will likely only matter late in games.

Last year MDA admitted that he slowed things down and we still scored a lot of points. The problem was how many we gave up. Melo doesn't effect our defense ONE BIT. Does anyone think our problem is likely to be scoring? I think being able to have superior length, mobility and shotblocking out there in crunchtime is gonna mean more to our win totally than adding a great scorer. Without Melo I expect this team will avg 107 ppg or so. What would that be with him 120? I don't think so. I think it avg's out about the same. It's the D that i'm worried about.

The thing with Melo is that he had a stacked team the past couple of years in Denver. He had AI, Billups, KMart, Nene, Camby, JR Smith and yet he could not carry the team past the third round.

He never really had a stacked team. Iverson and Billups were never together and AI was on the downside in Denver. Martin is a warrior full of heart but he is just serviceable as a player after microfracture surgery on both knees. His presence, heart, and toughness are more important than what he can do on the court right now. Nene, and Camby are injury prone and I don't think Nene is a championshipplayer. Smith is Smith.

I'm glad someone corrected this misconception! Denver was not and is not a stacked team- it has essentially been Carmelo and role players (well Billups is better than that)- he has made that team look good, much better than it is. It's easy to get caught thinking of Carmelo as just a scorer who hogs the ball who doesn't make his team better, but take him off the Denver team of the past few years and replace him with Al Harrington. That team doesn't even come close to the playoffs. Carmelo does have a positive impact, and has lifted Denver more than people realise.

Knixkik wrote:I'm pretty content that this thing will drag out. We will get a chance to see how this team plays and can work in the Melo thing as we go. Also, if Tommy D is correct Melo won't sign with any other team, making it either easy for us to trade for him, or wait until the offseason and get him for nothing. I'm still all about trying a starting lineup next season of felton, gallo, melo, stoudemire, and AR if we can get Melo for nothing.

Right--we never had a trade that made sense. Making a competitive fair trade without draft picks would deplete us. I maintain and I still do is the best way to get Melo is FOR NOTHING. If Carmelo wants to be a Knick --he will sit tight just like LBJ and Bosh did. Don't put pressure on the Knicks to give up the farm to compete--don't make an offer because an offer will either be disrespectful to the game or hurtful to the Knicks. Sitting tight and keeping quiet/being patient might be a pain in the arse sometimes--but if it bears fruit in the end game--thats all that counts. Now I'd like to hear all opf these impatient fans at-least think about it--Dont put unnecessary pressure on the Knicks to do anything other than play basketball and be patient for next years fA market.

TMS wrote:let's get this clear, i'm not in favor of giving up everything we have for Melo... if we can keep one of AR or Gallo & still get Melo, i think it's a no brainer... if not, then it's a non issue cuz i wouldn't make the trade if we had to give up all 3 of AR, Gallo & Wilson.

LOL for the past week you have been arguing against posters who wouldn't give up the farm for Melo - and I think most of them have articulated that that meant not giving up AR, Gallo, Chandler and a possible 2014... and now this? You actually agree with most of those you were arguing against.

I don't think anyone thinks we can give up just Chandler/AR or Chandler/Gallo for Melo.

iSergio wrote:I don't see Carmelo Anthony signing an extension with New Jersey or the L.A. Clippers. And this theory that he's going to lose a lot of money in the next CBA is overblown. The system is not going to change too much. The players union is not going to accept a new CBA where the salaries are decreased dramatically. Melo will still get his money.

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

iSergio wrote:I don't see Carmelo Anthony signing an extension with New Jersey or the L.A. Clippers. And this theory that he's going to lose a lot of money in the next CBA is overblown. The system is not going to change too much. The players union is not going to accept a new CBA where the salaries are decreased dramatically. Melo will still get his money.

I think Carmelo rather sign the extension before the season starts. Hard to turn down MILLIONS of guaranteed dollars.

As we saw this summer you really have no idea what a Free Agent would do when it comes to money. Who expected Lebron AND Bosh in Miami? Who expected David Lee to end up in Golden State?

Whoever trades for Carmelo is almost guaranteed to keep him.

all he would have to do is sign it. It's right there in front of him. So we kind of have to assume there is something else on his mind, no?

Obviosuly he wants to be traded but I think he prefers the trade happen before the season so he could sign the extension.

What the goal here? If its to win a title then keep developing AR/Gallo, see if Chandler takes a step forward and go from there. We can have max cap space again if we choose to. Defense, rebounding, size, playmakers, skill, shooting... thats what I am going for.

There are better fitting players out there than Carmelo. Marc Gasol, Al Horford, Shane Battier, Sam Dalembert

fishmike wrote:We just dont need this guy now... and if we do want him AND want to build a title team then you wait and sign him as a FA. Gallo and AR arent role players. They are building block guys with all star potential. If you want to win about 50 games a year and lose in round 2 every year then great. Go trade AR, Gallo or whatever combo for Melo. Then we are the Hawks.

What the goal here? If its to win a title then keep developing AR/Gallo, see if Chandler takes a step forward and go from there. We can have max cap space again if we choose to. Defense, rebounding, size, playmakers, skill, shooting... thats what I am going for.

There are better fitting players out there than Carmelo. Marc Gasol, Al Horford, Shane Battier, Sam Dalembert

No, they are not. If they were, teams would be lining up to trade for them. Denver would trade Carmelo Anthony for two players with All-Star potential in a second. You guys are overrating these two way too much and will end up looking very foolish in the end. Danilo Gallinari and Anthony Randolph will not make any All-Star teams. I hope I'm dead wrong and you are right but I don't see it.

And to say adding Marc Gasol, Al Holford, Shane Battier or Sam Dalembert improves this team more than Melo is crazy. It's like you don't realize Melo is a 26 year old 30 ppg scorer who is 8-4 lifetime against LeCon. He is not Al Harrington or Glen Robinson. Players like Melo don't come around often. Players like Gallo and Randolph are a dime a dozen. Every team has a Gallo or a Randolph that they overrate.