AnubisADL wrote:I dont understand how you reached that conclusion from the answer. Im pretty sure normal bonus's in the USA are taxed around 40% so 15% is spectacular.

Last I checked the Knicks were in NY, not Canada. Anyway this is sort of a dumb issue, let's move on.

AnubisADL wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:He's a whipping boy because someone thinks he does not measure up to Wade?

Wade is a much more complete player than Anthony, and if Wade was the same age and in the same situation as Anthony is at this moment, I would expect that folks would have a different attitude about trading for him than they do for Anthony.

No, he is a whipping boy because the guy keeps getting billed as just a scorer. If the guy just put up points his team wouldnt be in the playoffs in the WEST every year. Obviosuly he can improve on other areas of his game but the guy is an Elite scorer with great handle and an above average passer.

He's a scorer, although it is somewhat ironic (perhaps revealing is a better word) that Denver's best season also saw him at his lowest PPG in his last 5 years. For the amount of time he has the ball he is not an above average passer, and his TO/Assist ration has almost always been 1/1. He is also a very inconsistent defender, and if you want to address another issue- he has missed an average of 9 games/season during his career, and in his last 4 years he has averaged about 69 games/year.

BRIGGS wrote:Carmelo Anthony is a great scorer a very good to great NBA player.

That being said--he is not a big time player on the level of a Kobe etc.. he's no where near those top guys on the D

He has a body type that could break down--he's heavy/not really put together and signs of breaking down are already apparent with his multiple trips to the DL.

He wants 25mm $$$ a year which could be half the cap--leaving us with no way to improve the team once we acquired him So we would have 45mm $ in two players who are sketchy in terms of long term reliability--been there done that.

We have to give up players with tremendous potential who have show their bonafides in many flashes before they were all 22 years old.

NY will be a party spot for him and his wife--it will come back to haunt the team--people who cant see past the trees on this dont have a clue--I would take him for a reasonable deal similar to what Chris Bosh got after the season on our terms.

Guess what--we have a good team--we have cap space--there will be multiple avenues to get better NOT including Anthony. Did anyone know we were getting randolph--NO??

- Ok there is only 1 Kobe and 1 Lebron and unfortunately neither will be a Knick anytime soon. Now that doesnt mean we shouldnt get guys who are almost as good as those guys.

- Carmelo is heavy but the guy is a high skill player. He isnt making plays on pure athletcism like Lebron and Wade. It isnt like Carmelo is a high flier now.

- Carmelo is a max player. If Joe Johnson got the max then Carmelo certainly deserves the max.

- Randolph and Gallo have alot of potential but so do alot of young guys around the league. LaMarcus Aldridge, Josh Smith, Rudy Gay, and Michael Beasley also have alot of potential and have shown "flashes". Potential doesn't guarantee us anything. Both of our young guys have suffered season ending injuries at very young ages too.

- Alot of teams in the East have good team on paper. We know that means diddly once the season starts.

Glenn Rice and Big dogg Robinson all loom as cap eaters.

Joe Johnson is no max player. If ATL wants to make him one thats their business.

If Dolan wants to pay Melo that kind of money and trade out youth thats fine.

Better get it done with that cuz you lock up the franchise for a long time with what you give up and cap.

The Russian gonna come and take market share if you don't get it right.

You get melo cheap, but not trade away the fugure. Briggy said it best that Hershal Walker is a hell of a player.......and minny paid a hell of a price to get him!

Nalod wrote:I go max on Deron Williams, Durant, cp3 but not Melo.

Glenn Rice and Big dogg Robinson all loom as cap eaters.

Joe Johnson is no max player. If ATL wants to make him one thats their business.

If Dolan wants to pay Melo that kind of money and trade out youth thats fine.

Better get it done with that cuz you lock up the franchise for a long time with what you give up and cap.

The Russian gonna come and take market share if you don't get it right.

You get melo cheap, but not trade away the fugure. Briggy said it best that Hershal Walker is a hell of a player.......and minny paid a hell of a price to get him!

Yes. I don't think anyone who watched basketball won't admit that Melo is a special player.

Is he worth:

-max years
-max $

AND

-young cheap players with potential to be special (Randolph, Gallo)

AND

-opportunity cost of signing anyone else during his contract. For the most part Amare and Melo are not
going anywhere and all we can do is switch the pieces around them.

Vmart wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Carmelo Anthony is a great scorer a very good to great NBA player.

That being said--he is not a big time player on the level of a Kobe etc.. he's no where near those top guys on the D

He has a body type that could break down--he's heavy/not really put together and signs of breaking down are already apparent with his multiple trips to the DL.

He wants 25mm $$$ a year which could be half the cap--leaving us with no way to improve the team once we acquired him So we would have 45mm $ in two players who are sketchy in terms of long term reliability--been there done that.

We have to give up players with tremendous potential who have show their bonafides in many flashes before they were all 22 years old.

NY will be a party spot for him and his wife--it will come back to haunt the team--people who cant see past the trees on this dont have a clue--I would take him for a reasonable deal similar to what Chris Bosh got after the season on our terms.

Guess what--we have a good team--we have cap space--there will be multiple avenues to get better NOT including Anthony. Did anyone know we were getting randolph--NO??

I don't agree with this. Kobe has needed a second star player to win anything. He didn't start winning again until Gasol came along. What is the best player Melo has ever played with? a washed up AI a Kmart that has been a shell of himself since injuries. Let me know what other star power player he played with. He wants out of Denver because he sees what kind of talent level that he has around him and it isn't that good. He continuously gets his team to 50 wins. If Melo gets a chance to play with Amare I think that might be the best that he would have played with. Melo is a big time player give him better talent and watch him produce championships. No one is going to do it by themselves in the NBA LeBron was the perfect example of a player bailing out to greener pastures.

all you are doing is comparing Melo to Kobe and then not considering anything else that BRIGGS posted. Melo is no Kobe, on that I think we all agree. Melo is high level but he is also a volume offensive player and doesn't nearly play the defensive end of the upper level of Kobe, LeBron, Wade.

Vmart wrote:I think NY is a party spot for everyone not necessarily just Melo. As for me comparing Melo to Kobe, it very valid as you can see Kobe without the other superstar makes the playoffs but that is about it. Just saying Melo with a star player playing next to him may give similar results as Kobe. As for Cap space I agree with BRIGGS in that regard he could be a cap killer but I would still take him on the Knicks at that price. My only hang up on the any Melo deal is giving up two young players for him. I would part with Gallo or Chandler at most for him. I too agree that a depleted roster can come back and bite the team in the long run. The Knicks are in a position right now to be a decent team at best with what they have, but a lot of things have to go right still to get the team into the playoffs. Having Melo would take all the doubts away about playoffs.

If I get Melo for what Miami got LBJ and bosh for next year[if it is determined he is the right way to go]

I have to wonder if Chandler has a big year--can we resign him to a reasonable contract dump Turiaf and his 4+mm and we would still have significant cash to work with. Im not ceding anything yet--lets play some games. TEAM versus player.

Vmart wrote:I don't agree with this. Kobe has needed a second star player to win anything. He didn't start winning again until Gasol came along. What is the best player Melo has ever played with? a washed up AI a Kmart that has been a shell of himself since injuries. Let me know what other star power player he played with. He wants out of Denver because he sees what kind of talent level that he has around him and it isn't that good. He continuously gets his team to 50 wins. If Melo gets a chance to play with Amare I think that might be the best that he would have played with. Melo is a big time player give him better talent and watch him produce championships. No one is going to do it by themselves in the NBA LeBron was the perfect example of a player bailing out to greener pastures.

A better comparison would be to say, if you swapped Melo out of Denver and replaced him with Wade/Kobe/Lebron, how far do you think they would go? Denver has good size (Nene, Chris Anderson) a championship caliber point guard (Billups), Kenyon Martin, and decent depth (JR Smith, Ty Lawson). Do you think the Nuggets get past the first round?

If we TRADE for Carmelo we are not getting anywhere. The issue with maxing out a player like 'Melo (even without trading) is that he is a good player but he is what he is. He compares to other one dimensional good players like X-Man and Dominique (see this link for details http://knickerblogger.net/2010/08/should-knick-fans-hope-for-carmelo/). He has no upside (though he is good). You need bangers inside to rebound his hi volume inefficient scoring and you need defenders to cover his one way play. We definitely can not give up assets to get him, it doesn't get us closer.

I like the players we have. If we can find diamonds in the rough like how Houston/Golden State does, that would be my preference. Realistically for us to get to the championships, we need to get another star player using excess talent in trades. We need to first amass excess talent through the draft and summer league signings. Right now we don't have excess talent; we only have enough talent for ourselves.

knickstorrents wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't agree with this. Kobe has needed a second star player to win anything. He didn't start winning again until Gasol came along. What is the best player Melo has ever played with? a washed up AI a Kmart that has been a shell of himself since injuries. Let me know what other star power player he played with. He wants out of Denver because he sees what kind of talent level that he has around him and it isn't that good. He continuously gets his team to 50 wins. If Melo gets a chance to play with Amare I think that might be the best that he would have played with. Melo is a big time player give him better talent and watch him produce championships. No one is going to do it by themselves in the NBA LeBron was the perfect example of a player bailing out to greener pastures.

A better comparison would be to say, if you swapped Melo out of Denver and replaced him with Wade/Kobe/Lebron, how far do you think they would go? Denver has good size (Nene, Chris Anderson) a championship caliber point guard (Billups), Kenyon Martin, and decent depth (JR Smith, Ty Lawson). Do you think the Nuggets get past the first round?

If we TRADE for Carmelo we are not getting anywhere. The issue with maxing out a player like 'Melo (even without trading) is that he is a good player but he is what he is. He compares to other one dimensional good players like X-Man and Dominique (see this link for details http://knickerblogger.net/2010/08/should-knick-fans-hope-for-carmelo/). He has no upside (though he is good). You need bangers inside to rebound his hi volume inefficient scoring and you need defenders to cover his one way play. We definitely can not give up assets to get him, it doesn't get us closer.

I like the players we have. If we can find diamonds in the rough like how Houston/Golden State does, that would be my preference. Realistically for us to get to the championships, we need to get another star player using excess talent in trades. We need to first amass excess talent through the draft and summer league signings. Right now we don't have excess talent; we only have enough talent for ourselves.

Nene, Chris Andersen, and Kenyon Martin is depth now? Denver might have snuck by Utah if Nene didnt go down but that whole front line is injury prone.

I like what teams like Portland did amassing lots of young talent. Problem is they overvalued that talent. Also how do we amass talent when we dont have our draft pick in 2012 and a swap in 2011?

CrushAlot wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't agree with this. Kobe has needed a second star player to win anything. He didn't start winning again until Gasol came along. What is the best player Melo has ever played with? a washed up AI a Kmart that has been a shell of himself since injuries. Let me know what other star power player he played with. He wants out of Denver because he sees what kind of talent level that he has around him and it isn't that good. He continuously gets his team to 50 wins. If Melo gets a chance to play with Amare I think that might be the best that he would have played with. Melo is a big time player give him better talent and watch him produce championships. No one is going to do it by themselves in the NBA LeBron was the perfect example of a player bailing out to greener pastures.

A better comparison would be to say, if you swapped Melo out of Denver and replaced him with Wade/Kobe/Lebron, how far do you think they would go? Denver has good size (Nene, Chris Anderson) a championship caliber point guard (Billups), Kenyon Martin, and decent depth (JR Smith, Ty Lawson). Do you think the Nuggets get past the first round?

If we TRADE for Carmelo we are not getting anywhere. The issue with maxing out a player like 'Melo (even without trading) is that he is a good player but he is what he is. He compares to other one dimensional good players like X-Man and Dominique (see this link for details http://knickerblogger.net/2010/08/should-knick-fans-hope-for-carmelo/). He has no upside (though he is good). You need bangers inside to rebound his hi volume inefficient scoring and you need defenders to cover his one way play. We definitely can not give up assets to get him, it doesn't get us closer.

I like the players we have. If we can find diamonds in the rough like how Houston/Golden State does, that would be my preference. Realistically for us to get to the championships, we need to get another star player using excess talent in trades. We need to first amass excess talent through the draft and summer league signings. Right now we don't have excess talent; we only have enough talent for ourselves.

I never thought Xavier was one dimensional. He rebounded and was an intimidator. He was on the downside of his career with the Knicks but he was great for the year he was here. His replacement, Tony Campbell might be a better example of a one dimensional guy. I don't think Scottie Pippen would agree with your assessment of X.

Papabear Says

Tony Campbell was a great player. What was wrong with Tony Campbell