BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:we wasted way too much money on Masgov--what the heck has he done to be paid that much? I think we couldve got a nice player that was proven for the 5+mm instead we got Mosgov and Mason Jr--was that good money spent?

didn't you want us to sign up Kyrylo Fesenko to a longterm deal at similar money? (or was that Kostas Koufos?) what has Fesenko or Koufos done to warrant that type of money that Mozgov hasn't?

no i said 3 years 4mm not 3 years 10.7mm

to be fair, it's only one year guaranteed. it's basically 1yr $3M with options to retain him. the second and third year are not guaranteed.

so then it was waste

it was a risk that could pay off. how can you call it a waste before he plays? he's the number one rated center in europe and the second or third highest ranked prospect overall. rik smits, sabonis, divac were all pretty decent. not like there haven't been good centers from europe before.

Livingston 2 years 10mm 1st year locked.

i don't have as much faith in Livingston as you do.

you need good role players on a team. roger mason can play a role. mozgov may be able to do the same - and he may turn into something better.

i have no problem with either of these signings.

i would have rather had Morrow, but with him off the table i don't think we missed much. shannon brown was never leaving the lakers and was being overrated by people here anyway. he dunks nice on youtube, but little else.

BRIGGS wrote:

egelband wrote:i think the knicks have a little money to spend this year so are trying to catch lightning in a bottle at the sg position. little risk and possibly high reward for a guy with a chip on his shoulder...if it doesn't work out, no worries.

we wasted way too much money on Masgov--what the heck has he done to be paid that much? I think we couldve got a nice player that was proven for the 5+mm instead we got Mosgov and Mason Jr--was that good money spent?

I'm not a fan of either player, but they are both basically 1 year deals, so if they don't work out then we get that 5 mil back to spend next off season, and there weren't really that many players that I would have spent that money on this offseason (well, there were definitely better players BUT they wouldn't have signed for 1 year deals, and I'd rather keep the flexbility for now until we know what's happening with Carmelo).

I'd have prefered that we got Rudy instead of Mason, but if the Blazers are going to demand a 1st rounder then you have to just walk away. Mosgov is a 7ft project, which before the draft you were saying we needed more of, and then immediatley after the draft you were angry that we hadn't selected (you might not of actually said this, my memory is pretty poor! Apologies if you didn't)- it's a low cost risk move that might work out, but doesn't hurt us if it doesn't.

Trying to solidfy the bench is one thing, but it's important to keep one eye on Carmelo, and not ruin any chances of signing him just to sign a 20min role player- and, I think you can only really do a great job of tweaking the bench once you've seen the basic team in action and know what needs altering- so the key is patience!

Anyways, it seems like we're almost done now, so here's the roster:

PG- Felton, Douglas
SG- Chandler, Azubuike, Mason Jr, Rautins
SF- Gallo, Walker, Fields
PF- Amar'e, Randolph
C- Turiaf, Mosgov, James, Curry (ha!)

We are worryingly thin at centre and PF if there's an injury to Turiaf, Amar'e or Randolph, so I understand why we might be interested in Jared Jeffries (who I don't mind as a limited minutes bench player on an expiring contract)- we should really have signed a veteran front court player like Kurt Thomas, or Juwan Howard, or Joe Smith- that type of player for insurance. Anyways from the looks of things, I don't think Chandler gets the SG spot, so i see him getting 30mins off the bench at the SF and PF, like Al Harrington. I think randolph should also initially come off the bench and get time at SF,PF and C until we see where he's at.

Markji wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

egelband wrote:i think the knicks have a little money to spend this year so are trying to catch lightning in a bottle at the sg position. little risk and possibly high reward for a guy with a chip on his shoulder...if it doesn't work out, no worries.

we wasted way too much money on Masgov--what the heck has he done to be paid that much? I think we couldve got a nice player that was proven for the 5+mm instead we got Mosgov and Mason Jr--was that good money spent?

Yes, because Mozgov needed a big deal to buy out his contract with his team. Anyway, his deal is un-guaranteed the next 2 years so who cares? We haven't even seen what he's about so why complain? He could be good. We don't know.

And Roger Mason for that contract is a really good signing.

I wouldve rather not spent the 5mm to be honest. I couldve been opportunitstic with it

i would have chased Anthony Morrow with that $5M. ah well.

I would have also liked Morrow. Great shooter at the 2 guard. But he got $4 million/year for 3 years guaranteed and I guess Donnie didn't want to take up the cap space for next year.

"Im headed to the BIG APPLE!!!!! With a BIG CHIP on my shoulder!!!!!! LETGO!!!!!!!!!!!!Knicks Fans, talk to me!!!!!!"

we can catch lightning in the bottle with any of these guys...

knicks1248 wrote:This guy was pretty pretty bad last year, not to metion the spurs got swept in the 1st rnd..

you're going to blame a role player for the team getting swept in the 1st round? 2 years ago, both gregg popovich and tim duncan were calling roger mason one of the most important players on the team.

knicks1248 wrote:This guy was pretty pretty bad last year, not to metion the spurs got swept in the 1st rnd..

This logic should have Adam Morrison making max money!

Markji wrote:Mason is a veteran presence - He is the old man on this club as he turns 30 in Sept. I hope he can gel the team into having a winning attitude (San Antonio vet) and not be a "me first" type of player.

That's the worry though. On the plus side, he's literally as cheap a contract as it's possible to be. Also he's a 40% 3 pt shooter (last year was hopefully due to injury and he was shooting around 40% up until February). So that gives us Gallo, Douglas, maybe Walker (if last year wasn't a fluke!), Azubuike and Mason Jr who can shoot about 40% from 3 point land- not bad. Also he seems to be clutch. On the minus side is that he does seem to think he's better than he is, and may be a me first player- he ended up in the Spurs dog house. Also he is a bad defender (according to spurs fans), and a bad 2 point shooter. His career stats are pretty poor.

It's strange though- the realgm forums seem to be going wild for this signing, where as we're ranging from apathy to hostility.

Markji wrote:Mason is a veteran presence - He is the old man on this club as he turns 30 in Sept. I hope he can gel the team into having a winning attitude (San Antonio vet) and not be a "me first" type of player.

I would think that Timofey Mosgov, being an immortal, would be the veteran presence on the team.