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7/8/2010  5:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/8/2010  5:47 PM
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Despite reports that trade is not imminent, sources say that Knicks have already reached out to the camps of Randolph, Turiaf, and Azubuike.
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7/8/2010  5:49 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Im not sure how we can get excited about 3 guys coming off of major injuries, A. Randolph is really a solid young player with loads of potential... but again, were getting players that don't know how to win..AKA al harrington
Turiaf was a Laker. Amare has been to deep into the playoffs. Lee hasn't won anything during his time in NY. I think you have to look at them as young guys with potential that can grow together. I am a little concerned about D'Antoni because coaching young guys isn't a strength of his.
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7/8/2010  5:50 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:Im not sure how we can get excited about 3 guys coming off of major injuries, A. Randolph is really a solid young player with loads of potential... but again, were getting players that don't know how to win..AKA al harrington
Turiaf was a Laker. Amare has been to deep into the playoffs. Lee hasn't won anything during his time in NY. I think you have to look at them as young guys with potential that can grow together. I am a little concerned about D'Antoni because coaching young guys isn't a strength of his.

he got amare when amare was pretty much at the same point in his career that AR is now. and he's played gallo, wilson, douglas and walker a fair amount.

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7/8/2010  5:51 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:Im not sure how we can get excited about 3 guys coming off of major injuries, A. Randolph is really a solid young player with loads of potential... but again, were getting players that don't know how to win..AKA al harrington
Turiaf was a Laker. Amare has been to deep into the playoffs. Lee hasn't won anything during his time in NY. I think you have to look at them as young guys with potential that can grow together. I am a little concerned about D'Antoni because coaching young guys isn't a strength of his.

he got amare when amare was pretty much at the same point in his career that AR is now. and he's played gallo, wilson, douglas and walker a fair amount.


I agree on all except Douglas but I won't go there right now.
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7/8/2010  5:52 PM
BRIGGS wrote:To bad we didnt have Whiteside but the addition of Randolph with Gallo and Jerome Jordan gives us a very young athletic lengthy frontline to add with Amare and Turiaf. Well be better defensively--we have good young nucleus upfront and thats not even including Chandler and hopefully Fields.


Too bad things over the last two years I wish we changed that we had control over--picking a PG last year[almost anyone was good} and not being scared fiscally to spend on a 25 or 31 pick to get Whiteside. We need to get a really good Sterngth ans condo coach and have Randolpk and Jordan up to 240 and 260 respectively.

On top of it we dont have to compare gallo and randolph--we just have to hope play great together and i think they will.

Kudos to the Knicks --sorry to see my man Lee go but it was happening.


briggs , honestly, I am hoping lebron picks cleveland.. I like the direction with this trade.. I would love to see gallo, amare and Randolph together.. my question is AR mature enough and mentally tough enough to handle NY? he has the talent..

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7/8/2010  5:53 PM
I wanted either Lee or Turiaf with that last pick. Think he's an Oakley clone to some degree. Not a Randolph fan, but I'll take a flyer on him. Im intrigued by the fact that we passed on Ellis for this package.
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7/8/2010  5:58 PM
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How can lee be a community player picked last in the 1st rd in the NBA draft huh ?

What difference does that make? Chris Taft was still on the board. You and I both know why Lee was picked, and why he was so loved at the Garden.

Remember, the rule is that a Community Pick has to be a reach. I really don't think Lee was a "reach" where he was drafted.

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7/8/2010  5:59 PM
Renaldo Balkman was also a community pick.
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7/8/2010  6:01 PM
I like it. If this trade goes through, we'll be getting three players who will all help this team. All three are good defensively. Azubuike has a good outside shot. Randolph has length and athleticism. Turiaf can bang and block shots.
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7/8/2010  6:06 PM
VDesai wrote:I wanted either Lee or Turiaf with that last pick. Think he's an Oakley clone to some degree. Not a Randolph fan, but I'll take a flyer on him. Im intrigued by the fact that we passed on Ellis for this package.

It is good that we are bringing Turiaf over with Randolph if this trade happens. He will be a stabilizing figure for Randolph, and I hope that Amare, and maybe even Gallo can forge relationships with him.

As for Ellis, maybe we have something in the pipeline, or maybe Walsh is unable to think about having his contract. They also know that he is talented, but a defensive liability, and undisciplined on the court at times.

I would not be surprised if Anthony does not start the early part of the year, but if we get him I hope he is ready on day 1.

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7/8/2010  6:09 PM
Ira wrote:I like it. If this trade goes through, we'll be getting three players who will all help this team. All three are good defensively. Azubuike has a good outside shot. Randolph has length and athleticism. Turiaf can bang and block shots.

Everyone is forgetting Azubuike, and he only has 1 year left in his contract, but he was on the rise as a player before his injury. Good shooter and a tough defender he played multiple years at a very good college. If healthy he might surprise people if he gets the playing time.

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7/8/2010  6:26 PM
lee's agent says those talks are premature.. rofl..
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7/8/2010  6:30 PM
MS wrote:actually that's a playoff team.

Amare-Curry
Randloph-Turiaf
Gallo-Azubukie
Chandler-Walker
Luke-Douglas

That's a great emerging front line and there is plenty of space next year to make a trade or just plug a parker or melo in there.

Lets assume this plays this way...this will be SSOL? d'Antoni will have the ones he wamts in place and it matters? Or he gets another bye while we wait for Melo and '11? /me thinks he don' make the playoffs whover he signs his arse be gone.

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7/8/2010  6:33 PM
Olbrannon wrote:
MS wrote:actually that's a playoff team.

Amare-Curry
Randloph-Turiaf
Gallo-Azubukie
Chandler-Walker
Luke-Douglas

That's a great emerging front line and there is plenty of space next year to make a trade or just plug a parker or melo in there.

Lets assume this plays this way...this will be SSOL? d'Antoni will have the ones he wamts in place and it matters? Or he gets another bye while we wait for Melo and '11? /me thinks he don' make the playoffs whover he signs his arse be gone.

It's kinda of a SSOL roster... kind of not.

We really need to find D'Antoni that lead guard. That's been Donnie's big failing.

What if we offered to absorb Sessions' deal for a second rounder? any takers?

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7/8/2010  6:50 PM
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VDesai wrote:I wanted either Lee or Turiaf with that last pick. Think he's an Oakley clone to some degree. Not a Randolph fan, but I'll take a flyer on him. Im intrigued by the fact that we passed on Ellis for this package.

It is good that we are bringing Turiaf over with Randolph if this trade happens. He will be a stabilizing figure for Randolph, and I hope that Amare, and maybe even Gallo can forge relationships with him.

As for Ellis, maybe we have something in the pipeline, or maybe Walsh is unable to think about having his contract. They also know that he is talented, but a defensive liability, and undisciplined on the court at times.

I would not be surprised if Anthony does not start the early part of the year, but if we get him I hope he is ready on day 1.


Either they love Ridnour or maybe Tony Parker is an inevitable addition. It is pretty curious though. Ellis is not my favorite, but he's young and would be a pretty formidable team with Amare.

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7/9/2010  10:54 AM
Okay, now that the trade is official, I have to say that I take back every bad thing I said about Walsh. Walsh trade Lee for three very solid players and gave this team some much needed depth with three guys who are all solid defenders, and in Randolph we got a potential Allstar if he can continue to add weight and develop his jumpshot.
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7/9/2010  11:04 AM
crzymdups wrote:
Olbrannon wrote:
MS wrote:actually that's a playoff team.

Amare-Curry
Randloph-Turiaf
Gallo-Azubukie
Chandler-Walker
Luke-Douglas

That's a great emerging front line and there is plenty of space next year to make a trade or just plug a parker or melo in there.

Lets assume this plays this way...this will be SSOL? d'Antoni will have the ones he wamts in place and it matters? Or he gets another bye while we wait for Melo and '11? /me thinks he don' make the playoffs whover he signs his arse be gone.

It's kinda of a SSOL roster... kind of not.

We really need to find D'Antoni that lead guard. That's been Donnie's big failing.

What if we offered to absorb Sessions' deal for a second rounder? any takers?

no way man... please no Sessions. This is one we really disagree on. MDA praised Douglas at the end of the year and played him big minutes. He's definatly going to run the point during the summer league. Douglas brings a lot of good things to the table. Great defender, really takes care of the ball and the shooting and scoring is top notch also. I really think he can be a poor mans (maybe not too poor) Billups.

I would MUCH rather have Shawn Livingston than Sessions.

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7/9/2010  11:07 AM
I don't want Sessions. I think Kahn and Minny need to keep that mistake and think twice before going after three point guards in an offseason. I think Kahn may have serious issues with Walsh. Despite having Flynn, Sessions, the rights to Rubio he is trying to get Ridnour. Any point guard that the Knicks are interested in seems to end up on his roster.
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7/9/2010  11:08 AM
TheGame wrote:Okay, now that the trade is official, I have to say that I take back every bad thing I said about Walsh. Walsh trade Lee for three very solid players and gave this team some much needed depth with three guys who are all solid defenders, and in Randolph we got a potential Allstar if he can continue to add weight and develop his jumpshot.
assesing NBA talent and making moves to build a team is 100% Walsh's best talent. When you look at how he build the Pacers the 2nd time here were his big deals:
Jalen Rose for Brad Miller, Ron Mercer and Ron Artest
Dale Davis for Jermaine Oneil
Antonio Davis for Bender
drafted Croshere, Tinsley, Foster(?)

We quickly rebuilt that team w/ size, skill and depth. The GS trade is exactly that kind of deal

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7/9/2010  12:01 PM
Great article summing up the David Lee trade. Great Trade!

The Knicks trade David Lee for three Golden State Warriors
By Kelly Dwyer
Yahoo - Balls Don't Lie
Fri Jul 09 07:00am PDT

The joke is that the New York Knicks spent the entirety of the team's post-Isiah Thomas run clearing cap space for the ability to bring in LeBron James(notes) this summer, along with some other max-makin' stud. Ever since Donnie Walsh was brought in to run things in 2008, and Mike D'Antoni was chased down to coach things a few months later, that's been the plan. LeBron, plus some other guy.

Then Steve Nash(notes), oft-mentioned as the "other guy," extended his contract with the Phoenix Suns last summer. And James, not sure if you've heard, agreed to sign with the Miami Heat last night. And the Knicks, those buffoonish Knicks, struck out again.

That's what they'll tell you, at least.

They also, earlier this week, agreed to terms with Amar'e Stoudemire(notes) on a contract. And, I'm sorry, I much prefer Amar'e Stoudemire on my front line should the ball go up to start a seven game series tomorrow night than I would Chris Bosh(notes). For all his faults, for all his history, Amar'e can play. Amar'e can dominate, offensively.
And according to numerous reports, the team just turned a superfluous and signed-and-traded David Lee into Ronny Turiaf, Anthony Randolph, and Kelenna Azubuike. That's a fantastic deal for New York.

It's not going to win them a championship, any time soon. They still don't have a clear number two for Amar'e, and that's assuming that Stoudemire is a "number one" to begin with. But to grab three quality players who will thrive in D'Antoni's system? Three guys who (mostly) think defense-first, but can also flourish in transition? Getting it all for Lee, who wasn't much help once Stoudemire hit town?

Great deal. Great, great deal.

And I'm writing this whilst not completely smitten with the promise of Randolph, a source of optimism that we all were drinking from a few years ago. Randolph has all the potential in the world, but I'm not making this judgment based on what he could do. What he can do. What he, with a coach that might actually deign to work with him, might do.

No, I'm bringing this up because the Knicks need a center. And Turiaf, though he's shorter than Lee or Stoudemire, can play center. Ably-enough, when healthy (which is, admittedly, a significant caveat for him). He's one of this league's best shot blockers per minute, and he's a sound enough rebounder to get by. Not in Lee's league, mind you, but then again few are.

I'm bringing this up because Azubuike is a fantastic all-around talent when he wants to be, and can sop up big minutes at the shooting guard and small forward position. And both these players actually deign to defend.

And, yes, I'm bringing this up because if D'Antoni doesn't let his frustration and ego get in the way of things, and really, really, really, really, really tries with Anthony Randolph? He could have a game-changer on his hands. It hasn't been the best start with Randolph, but his potential flies through the roof. And the thing that separates a good coach from a great coach is what you get out of a player like Anthony Randolph. And Don Nelson, over the last few years, hasn't been a great or even adequate coach. Especially in Randolph's regard.

D'Antoni? If he works at it, and takes the long view of things, this could be his number two. This could be his guy.
The Warriors just traded three bench guys, essentially, for someone who averaged over 20 and 11 last season, and will help shore up the team's rebounding while still being able to score at will in a D'Antoni-like offense. And yet, I'm not as keen on their end as I am New York's. In getting rid of Azubuike and Corey Maggette(notes), the team is still incredibly thin (and short, while we're at it) at the wing position, and will need to address that. It's still July, though. Early in this particular run.

Lee can play, though. He's no system player, no fluke, and there's no reason why this guy can't put up another 20 and 11 year in Golden State. Unless Nellie messes with him, and that's always an unfortunate possibility. But six years and $80 million to pay this guy until he's 33? He relies mostly on hops and athleticism, but yeah. I'm down. Which means I'm high on it. Because I'm Mr. Hipster.

Sound move for both teams, two squads that still have quite a bit of work to do. I love these sorts of trades, and I hope the respecting coaching staffs on either side of this transaction dig it as much as I do. Because they could do some great things with this deal.

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