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7/3/2010  9:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2010  9:15 AM
I won't give up just because some writer has "a source". Bunch of BS. Mgmt has done quite well. We have Amar'e. That is one down and one to go. A Big, and now we need a wing. LeBron or Wade would be fine. (Wade could leave Miami if none of the other big name players signs there). JJ is plan "B".
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7/3/2010  9:18 AM
Cosmic wrote:So the Knicks are disorganized, frumpy, and washed up.... but the Bulls are doing the right thing right guys?


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On Friday, executives from the Bulls pushed Dwyane Wade for a commitment during a second meeting but Wade declined for the time being.

Chris Bosh participated for part of the meeting.

Wade and LeBron James are intrigued by the prospect of signing with the same team as free agents.


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The Bulls also want an answer from LeBron James during their Saturday meeting.

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....yeah. That's professional, right? But the Knicks, naw, the Knicks are disorganized.

Yeah, okay.

I don't think it's garbage. The guy who wrote it did a hack job on Uconn and ended up 95% accurate. He has also broke many other stories with accuracy. Let's face it that it could be just as well be a close truth. You might not want to hear the truth--but the Knicks crying to the media on consecutive days kind of leads credence to it. If you were confident you had a good meeting--no reason to draw ire.

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7/3/2010  9:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2010  9:36 AM
A reliable source reported that Lebron wanted a guarantee the Knicks woul sign Amare, Wade and Chris Paul in 2010 and Carmelo on 2011. He asked Walsh to resign so that Worldwide Wes could take over as General Manager and Dolan to change the company name from Cablevision to James Gang Productions.

Rumor also has it that Lebron wants Spike Lee to produce a coming of age sitcom entitled "Everybody Hates Delonte"

a hidden camera inside the Dolan limo and Cleveland conference room at the IMG Building will be turned over to the FBI for authentication

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7/3/2010  9:27 AM
Until we hear from LeBron James, Maverick Carter or Leon Rose, we should not take anything we read seriously. I find it impossible to believe our presentation that we worked for the last 2 years was not impressive. We showed him how he can become a billionaire for crying out loud! And who cares if Donnie Walsh is in a wheelchair? He's not a player!! This smells like Pat "The Rat" Riley or New Jersey. Anyway, we got good feedback from Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. And Amare Stoudemire is all but signed.

Honestly, it's come to a point where if LeBron doesn't want to come here, he can go **** himself. We moved mountains and put in more effort then any other team to be in this position for HIM. No other fan base even comes close to loving LeBron or wanting LeBron like we do. If that's not good enough for him, fine! I was a diehard Knicks fan before LeBron and I'll be a diehard Knicks fan after LeBron.

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7/3/2010  9:37 AM
What iSergio said

Thank you

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7/3/2010  10:00 AM
skeng wrote:
Cosmic wrote:So the Knicks are disorganized, frumpy, and washed up.... but the Bulls are doing the right thing right guys?


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On Friday, executives from the Bulls pushed Dwyane Wade for a commitment during a second meeting but Wade declined for the time being.

Chris Bosh participated for part of the meeting.

Wade and LeBron James are intrigued by the prospect of signing with the same team as free agents.


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The Bulls also want an answer from LeBron James during their Saturday meeting.

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....yeah. That's professional, right? But the Knicks, naw, the Knicks are disorganized.

Yeah, okay.

it's the same anti-knick shyt that's been going on for years now.. I dont get where all the animosity comes from.

I am seeing a good deal of it coming from our own fans.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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7/3/2010  10:30 AM
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joec32033 wrote:LOL...This is great. Do people realize that since LBJ came in the league, like 10 teams won the NBA championship and Lebron was not on the roster for one of them?

I don't want LeBron. I want a championship. LeBron is NOT a requirement.

that doesn't make any sense. Lebron came in to the league in 2003 and it is 2010 right now. LeBron is the best player in the league, and having the best player in the league helps your chances of winning a championship - no matter what your previous accomplishments are.

uh, the difference is lebron has yet to enter his prime and he is the best player in the league( sorry kobe fans). no matter what, i think it is inevitable that he will win one eventually. all great players like him do.

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7/3/2010  10:31 AM
Great read: Now who do we believe?
Before they talked about love and basketball with LeBron James, the Knicks opened their video presentation Thursday with a scene from a LeBron favorite. Suddenly James Gandolfini and Edie Falco were Tony and Carmela Soprano, maybe for the last time, and the look on LeBron's face said he was hoping this show would last an hour or three.

Tony hadn't been killed off by David Chase after all. He was wearing a beard and living with his wife under the cover of the witness protection program, and Tony was telling Carmela he had an important friend coming to town. A friend who needed a place to stay. A friend named LeBron James.

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James Gandolfini reprised his role as Tony Soprano to help Knicks lure LeBron James.
Carmela scanned her computer for the ideal midtown spot, and when she told Tony she'd found the right place for a man of James' stature, the final shot wasn't half as suspenseful as The Sopranos' final scene in the diner.

Madison Square Garden was the iconic image on the screen, the arena James has called his favorite place to play. From there LeBron would hear taped testimonials to the power of big-city winning from Willis Reed, Mark Messier, Reggie Jackson and Earl Monroe. Spike Lee and Rudy Giuliani had their parts on the video, and Chris Rock told some jokes.

But the Knicks weren't kidding around. They did their homework. Yeah, they knew LeBron loved The Sopranos. They also knew LeBron loved talking about the transition game more.

So Mike D'Antoni spent more than half this meeting on the eighth floor of a Cleveland building talking basketball with a basketball player. Suddenly a high-stakes summit with hundreds of millions of dollars on the line was reduced to a two-man huddle you'd find in shoebox gyms all across America.

A coach was drawing up X's and O's for a ballplayer, the two of them engaged in a Rockwellian scene that no max-out talks could taint.

The Knicks had their two hours and change in LeBron's presence, with Allan Houston staying behind for a few minutes to get the final word, athlete to athlete, man to man. James proved to be as gifted a poker player as he is a small forward. He didn't reveal much to either the Knicks or the Nets that day, and he also planned to cover his cards for the Heat, Clippers, Cavaliers and Bulls.

The Nets all but did an end zone dance when their sitdown was done, while the Knicks simply handed the ball to the ref. So as the Knicks got hot after Amare Stoudemire, the coach and the team president and the owner, Jim Dolan, were floored when word hit that their LeBron presentation went LeBust, that James was now more likely to sign with the Maple Leafs than with the Knicks.

You can accuse the Knicks and the Garden of fouling up a lot of perfectly good game nights in recent years, but few in the business of sports are better at putting on a show. The Garden knows how to entertain, and it's hard to believe its people spent months piecing together a sales pitch that just cost them any chance of signing James.

The Knicks believe they've been victimized by the kind of negative recruiting that defines major college sports, and hey, it happens, on both sides of the aisle. Former Knicks president Dave Checketts said he and ex-running mate Ernie Grunfeld routinely tried to sabotage any acquisition being made by the Chicago Bulls.

That was then, this is now. Right now, today, it seems the only people in the NBA who want the Knicks to land LeBron are drawing a paycheck from them.

Everyone has an agenda here -- teams, players, agents, people inside LeBron's camp, people who want to get inside LeBron's camp. The Knicks have an agenda, too. They want to sign James a whole lot more than they want to sign Stoudemire.

The Nets feel the same. They declared a border war on the Knicks when they posted the skyscraper-sized image of Mikhail Prokhorov, their billionaire owner, and Jay-Z, his one-percent partner, right in Dolan's face. This fight isn't going to get any prettier over the next 48 hours.

Of course, the Knicks' best response to all this is to, you know, sign LeBron James. Toward that end, they did their research. They found out LeBron loves kids, and so they showed him a video on their Garden of Dreams charity for children in need.

Walsh spoke of his ability to work the salary cap and keep a LeBron-led Knicks team in contention for the long haul. Dolan told James about his Steinbrennerian willingness to spend, spend and spend some more on luxury taxes. James heard about the $850 million being poured into a new and improved Garden, and the president of MSG Sports, Scott O'Neil, showed LeBron the commissioned study explaining how he could become a billionaire in New York.

Mostly the Knicks gave the ball to D'Antoni and let him discuss basketball with his blue-chip recruit. The former Olympic assistant and former Olympic star talked about offense and defense and about finding a way back to the gold-medal game.

No, James didn't give the Knicks a ton of feedback, if only because he wasn't giving anyone a ton of feedback. The Knicks went to bed Friday night believing they were very much alive in the James derby, no matter what was being whispered between Miami and Moscow.

James might decide to go with Cleveland, Chicago, New Jersey or Miami. He might pick up his cell and end the Knicks' quest in a New York minute.

If that happens, if LeBron James rejects Tony Soprano's offer he could refuse, the Knicks wouldn't have lost the game because of their presentation.

They would have lost it because of their roster.

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7/3/2010  10:35 AM
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joec32033 wrote:
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joec32033 wrote:LOL...This is great. Do people realize that since LBJ came in the league, like 10 teams won the NBA championship and Lebron was not on the roster for one of them?

I don't want LeBron. I want a championship. LeBron is NOT a requirement.

that doesn't make any sense. Lebron came in to the league in 2003 and it is 2010 right now. LeBron is the best player in the league, and having the best player in the league helps your chances of winning a championship - no matter what your previous accomplishments are.

You're right. It doesn't make any sense. It's only been 8 teams.

All I am saying is I want a Championship. I do not care if it is with LeBron or without. LeBron is NOT a requirement for a championship. Does he help the chances, yeah, sure. But he is not required.

A lot of people are acting like if we don't get LeBron, the Knicks will never win a championship. Not the case.

Even LBJ has some drawbacks (behind the scenes problems with his "guys", possible money over winning issues, LeBron the company possibly taking precedence over LeBron the player).

I will state it again. I don't want LeBron. I want a championship. LeBron is NOT a requirement.

I'm with you. And most people probably are - Championship > LeBron. The thing is, LeBron has taken his Cavs team far in the playoffs in several occasions. And those Cavs rosters weren't pretty. To me, LeBron is the guy that will get you closest to a championship - with or without a good supporting cast.

Adding LeBron to your team increases your chance of winning a championship more than if you added any other player in the NBA. Kobe is Kobe, but he won't be able to carry the Lakers like he almost did back in the post Shaq years.

All is true. I just don't see that killer attitude in LeBron that I see in guys Kobe, Wade, Melo......

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7/3/2010  10:46 AM
joec32033 wrote:
skeng wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
skeng wrote:
joec32033 wrote:LOL...This is great. Do people realize that since LBJ came in the league, like 10 teams won the NBA championship and Lebron was not on the roster for one of them?

I don't want LeBron. I want a championship. LeBron is NOT a requirement.

that doesn't make any sense. Lebron came in to the league in 2003 and it is 2010 right now. LeBron is the best player in the league, and having the best player in the league helps your chances of winning a championship - no matter what your previous accomplishments are.

You're right. It doesn't make any sense. It's only been 8 teams.

All I am saying is I want a Championship. I do not care if it is with LeBron or without. LeBron is NOT a requirement for a championship. Does he help the chances, yeah, sure. But he is not required.

A lot of people are acting like if we don't get LeBron, the Knicks will never win a championship. Not the case.

Even LBJ has some drawbacks (behind the scenes problems with his "guys", possible money over winning issues, LeBron the company possibly taking precedence over LeBron the player).

I will state it again. I don't want LeBron. I want a championship. LeBron is NOT a requirement.

I'm with you. And most people probably are - Championship > LeBron. The thing is, LeBron has taken his Cavs team far in the playoffs in several occasions. And those Cavs rosters weren't pretty. To me, LeBron is the guy that will get you closest to a championship - with or without a good supporting cast.

Adding LeBron to your team increases your chance of winning a championship more than if you added any other player in the NBA. Kobe is Kobe, but he won't be able to carry the Lakers like he almost did back in the post Shaq years.

All is true. I just don't see that killer attitude in LeBron that I see in guys Kobe, Wade, Melo......

The first time I heard about LeBron lacking killer instinct, was in these playoffs. And we all have an idea of the situation with Delonte. You could also argue that Shaq didnt have killer instinct (i.e. 4th quarters), and he still was a huge part of that dynasty.

And Kobe is on another planet killer instinct wise.

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7/3/2010  10:59 AM
skeng wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
skeng wrote:
joec32033 wrote:
skeng wrote:
joec32033 wrote:LOL...This is great. Do people realize that since LBJ came in the league, like 10 teams won the NBA championship and Lebron was not on the roster for one of them?

I don't want LeBron. I want a championship. LeBron is NOT a requirement.

that doesn't make any sense. Lebron came in to the league in 2003 and it is 2010 right now. LeBron is the best player in the league, and having the best player in the league helps your chances of winning a championship - no matter what your previous accomplishments are.

You're right. It doesn't make any sense. It's only been 8 teams.

All I am saying is I want a Championship. I do not care if it is with LeBron or without. LeBron is NOT a requirement for a championship. Does he help the chances, yeah, sure. But he is not required.

A lot of people are acting like if we don't get LeBron, the Knicks will never win a championship. Not the case.

Even LBJ has some drawbacks (behind the scenes problems with his "guys", possible money over winning issues, LeBron the company possibly taking precedence over LeBron the player).

I will state it again. I don't want LeBron. I want a championship. LeBron is NOT a requirement.

I'm with you. And most people probably are - Championship > LeBron. The thing is, LeBron has taken his Cavs team far in the playoffs in several occasions. And those Cavs rosters weren't pretty. To me, LeBron is the guy that will get you closest to a championship - with or without a good supporting cast.

Adding LeBron to your team increases your chance of winning a championship more than if you added any other player in the NBA. Kobe is Kobe, but he won't be able to carry the Lakers like he almost did back in the post Shaq years.

All is true. I just don't see that killer attitude in LeBron that I see in guys Kobe, Wade, Melo......

The first time I heard about LeBron lacking killer instinct, was in these playoffs. And we all have an idea of the situation with Delonte. You could also argue that Shaq didnt have killer instinct (i.e. 4th quarters), and he still was a huge part of that dynasty.

And Kobe is on another planet killer instinct wise.

I remember questions about him way back the first time they played Washington on the playoffs 5(could be wrong)years ago or so. Last year was the first time he started coming through-I remember he was getting TONS of flack because he was always passing off in the clutch the past few years. He started showing signs this year but then he faltered again.

Kobe is on another level. Lebron is a few levels below him in that area, but there are quite a few guys that are above him in this particular area. Guys like Parker, Gasol, Dirk, Amare, that level of superstar....I don't see them as killers. Guys I see as killers are guys like Kobe, Melo, Wade, Pierce(respect)...

RE Shaq-I wouldn't view him as a Killer. Wasn't clutch. Any guy you have to sit down regularly during crunch time, isn't clutch.

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7/3/2010  9:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/3/2010  9:15 PM
The Answer Man looks into his patented crystal basketball

Heads will not roll at 2 Penn Plaza

By this time next week Dwayne Wade will be a Chicago Bull, returning home where his heart is. Forget South Beach Wade is more mature than the average teenager so he does not care about spandex as much as winning

Amare will have sent a text to a player to be named later, inviting said player to join him on Broadway. That player accepts

Donnie Walsh is so far ahead of the press that it makes your head hurt. The media does not lead, it follows

The 2011 renovation of MSG is not being done to host a second rate basketball franchise. Cablevision has no problem writing checks. You do the math.

Carmelo is bored in Denver. It's a nice city to start a ski vacation but less a place to feel welcome when you are young, gifted and Black

The Knicks starting five will have 4 new players to start the season. Walsh did not invest two years of patience to be timid about this roster

Who you gonna trust, some hack on deadline or your friendly neighborhood Answer Man?

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7/3/2010  10:09 PM
whatever... screw all these free agents masturbating each other ... we have flexibility to do a bunch of deals and keep building. what's another couple years after a decade of BS
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7/3/2010  10:09 PM
tkf wrote:great.. now we can move on.. let lebron take himself and his band of bozo hangers on and go elsewhere.. I am so tired of this guy and this circus..

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7/4/2010  8:14 AM
misterearl wrote:The Answer Man looks into his patented crystal basketball

Heads will not roll at 2 Penn Plaza

By this time next week Dwayne Wade will be a Chicago Bull, returning home where his heart is. Forget South Beach Wade is more mature than the average teenager so he does not care about spandex as much as winning

Amare will have sent a text to a player to be named later, inviting said player to join him on Broadway. That player accepts

Donnie Walsh is so far ahead of the press that it makes your head hurt. The media does not lead, it follows

The 2011 renovation of MSG is not being done to host a second rate basketball franchise. Cablevision has no problem writing checks. You do the math.

Carmelo is bored in Denver. It's a nice city to start a ski vacation but less a place to feel welcome when you are young, gifted and Black

The Knicks starting five will have 4 new players to start the season. Walsh did not invest two years of patience to be timid about this roster

Who you gonna trust, some hack on deadline or your friendly neighborhood Answer Man?

Good post, Earl.

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7/4/2010  9:30 PM
Silly Wabbit

"The Knicks have been virtually eliminated from contention for LeBron James, according to a report from Yahoo's Adrian Wojnarowski"

Who died and made Adrian Wojnarowski boss?

I do not trust ANY sportswriter, so-called expert, self-appointed know it all or second hand Charlie to validare second hand rumors

But I'm digging the fact my beloved New York Knicks are in the conversation

Joe johnson averaged 13 points for a team that lost by the largest margin in NBA playoff history

Damn the microfracture thing. Sign Amare to bait the hook.

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Knicks virtually out for Lebron --wow these are bad remarks after two years--head should roll

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