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EwingsGlass
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7/2/2010  9:32 AM
islesfan wrote:Listen, if signing Stoudemire is what it's going to take to get LeBron, then obviously it has to be done. I just hope when the dust settles, Stoudemire isn't going to be the main attraction on that dais holding up a new Knicks jersey.

I actually agree with the last two things you said. I'm not down on Amare, I think he is currently a better PF than Bosh, I just worry about his age and injury concerns. He really had a monster second half in a contract year. We know what he is physically capable of. My Lebron-o-meter is waning though, because I really felt like James and Bosh are a package deal. I though Amare and either Wade or, if necessary Johnson, was the backup plan.

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7/2/2010  9:39 AM
fishmike wrote:
islesfan wrote:
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islesfan wrote:Stoudemire's injury history scares the crap out of me. And I don't think he's a center in the East.

LeBron or Wade better be teaming up with him.

Realistically though, who else are centers in the East? Howard, Bogut, Lopez...?

Any big body really. I'm not talking about the caliber of the big men necessarily. Just the pounding that he's going to have to go through every night. Playing in the East will take it's toll on him, regardless of being in D'Antoni's system.

I think Earl Barron showed he could be a guy who could give you 20 good minutes a night of banging and boarding.

Howard is a guy who wears everyone down. Bogut was all NBA before he got hurt. After that its weak. Lopez is big but slower than a turtle and doesnt push anyone around. Amare is bigger than Horford. Perkins has a big body.

The 'true' MDA line up would be like this:
pg Douglas
sg Chandler
sf Gallo
pf Lebron
c Amare
you have a PG and 4 guys who are 6'7 or bigger and each one can shoot, rebound, play some defense, handle the ball, pass and shoot some more.

If they sign LeBron, Amare's injury history is a side note. They would need to find a decent big man to pair with Amare to avoid wear and tear, be it Barron or somebody else.

I'd keep Chandler on the bench. It would be interesting to see if playing with LeBron would drastically improve the kid's focus on the court, which I think is his biggest problem. Douglas can stay on the bench too. They need a better PG, preferably one that can shoot if he's playing next to LeBron.

Call me crazy but if Curry is healthy, I would start him with Amare, LeBron, Gallinari and Douglas. Don't care much about a 'true' MDA lineup.

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7/2/2010  9:43 AM
islesfan wrote:
If they sign LeBron, Amare's injury history is a side note. They would need to find a decent big man to pair with Amare to avoid wear and tear, be it Barron or somebody else.

I'd keep Chandler on the bench. It would be interesting to see if playing with LeBron would drastically improve the kid's focus on the court, which I think is his biggest problem. Douglas can stay on the bench too. They need a better PG, preferably one that can shoot if he's playing next to LeBron.

Call me crazy but if Curry is healthy, I would start him with Amare, LeBron, Gallinari and Douglas. Don't care much about a 'true' MDA lineup.


If he can stay on the court, its not a bad thought. I'd already written him off.

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7/2/2010  9:47 AM
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fishmike wrote:
iSergio wrote:I'm all for Amare Stoudemire. Like Fish keeps reminding us, he was the BEST player in the entire league the second half of the season. He has injury history but he's been completely healthy the last few years. He's only 27 years old too. I just hope Mike D'Antoni doesn't view him as the Center. We will need to acquire a Robin Lopez-type Center and slide STAT to the 4. But if our Plan A comes true, the pick and roll with LeBron James and STAT with Danilo Gallinari on the wing is going to be unstoppable.
you can stick him next to Earl Barron for parts of the game but if you know MDA his offense here is your starting lineup:
PG Douglas
SG Chandler
SF GAllo
PF Lebron
C Amare
bench: Barron, Walker, Rautins, Fields

You have guys who are from 6'7 to 6'10 at every position aside from PG. Every guy can shoot, pass, rebound, spot up, get steals, push the ball

that is a great group- but I worry about rebounds- they do matter, especially in crunch time, and as talented as they are, I see them getting pushed around much like the Celts did at times to the Lakers.

And I just worry that with that kind of line up, MDA's defensive strategy will be to switch on everything, and our defense will be swiss cheese style. Yes, solid defenders, but when the mind set is switch, I think you lose some accountability.

If you have the right guys on the court, MDA will stick more to the man on man D. Except for Amare, the group above is a pretty good defensive group, IMO. I also don't think James would stand by while guys don't play D. You know he would get into the faces of some players- maybe/maybe not on the court, but definitely in the locker room. With James we finally get an established leader on the team.

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7/2/2010  9:51 AM
islesfan wrote:Listen, if signing Stoudemire is what it's going to take to get LeBron, then obviously it has to be done. I just hope when the dust settles, Stoudemire isn't going to be the main attraction on that dais holding up a new Knicks jersey.

Don't we all? But you have to take the gamble or go down in history as being there and not having tried to land the biggest prize FA proze ever in the NBA. Of course there are no guarantees but this is what we set out to do get two max FAs (one of them called Lebron/Wade). These guys met with Lebron, they should already have a good enough feel for what he is looking for in his team of choice.

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7/2/2010  10:02 AM
the idea of signing Amar'e with the thought that it automatically leads to Lebron seems dangerous to me.

it makes us more attractive to Bron... but i don't think it's a lock. and amar'e with no nash... scares me.

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7/2/2010  10:07 AM
crzymdups wrote:the idea of signing Amar'e with the thought that it automatically leads to Lebron seems dangerous to me.

it makes us more attractive to Bron... but i don't think it's a lock. and amar'e with no nash... scares me.

Amare is a beast with or without Nash...Does Nash help? Of course, he gets him a few easy baskets per game, but Amare is one of the most talented pf's in the game regardless.

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7/2/2010  10:09 AM
So would you rather just sit and watch Lebron sign elsewhere and live with the feeling that had we landed Amare we could potentially have gotten him to sign with us?
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7/2/2010  10:10 AM
Those are the two big concerns. David Lee average more points than Amare with Chris Duhon as the point guard. Amare has the best passing pg in the entire league.

Eye problems and a major knee injury and throw in a bad attitude, it's a tremendous risk to max the guy out. He could be a play away from Kenyon Martin.

But I would max out Jerome James to get Lebron here so if Amare gets it done sign away.

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7/2/2010  10:17 AM
Ummmm.. Ric Bucher just said that Amare received a max offer from Miami on ESPN????
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7/2/2010  10:22 AM
MS wrote:Those are the two big concerns. David Lee average more points than Amare with Chris Duhon as the point guard. Amare has the best passing pg in the entire league.

Eye problems and a major knee injury and throw in a bad attitude, it's a tremendous risk to max the guy out. He could be a play away from Kenyon Martin.

But I would max out Jerome James to get Lebron here so if Amare gets it done sign away.

1 eye problem. Its fixed. There are no 'eye problems'

His knee has been healthy for 4 years. He played 100 games this year and got better in the 2nd half

Please outline the attitude issues. There arent any. Please.

Amare is a great catch. You max him out and go from there.

Isles... how are putting a better shooter than Douglas next on the floor? Dude can score and shoot from anywhere

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7/2/2010  10:23 AM
In their quest to land either of the top two free-agent power forwards – Chris Bosh or Amar’e Stoudemire – the Houston Rockets have been offering Trevor Ariza, Shane Battier and free agent Luis Scola in potential sign-and-trade packages, league sources said.

Scola obviously would have to agree to a sign-and-trade because he’s a free agent. If the Rockets can’t get either Bosh or Stoudemire, they will push forward in negotiations to re-sign Scola.

– Marc J. Spears, 12:27 a.m. ET, July 2

Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiwAjFfWAvQrWKsohFDCH028vLYF?slug=ys-freeagentbuzz070110

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7/2/2010  10:39 AM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Wait didnt Lebron want Jamison instead of Amare at the trade deadline? Im just saying. Last time I checked Lebron wanted a stretch 4.

Only way I see NY offering a Max to Amare this early is if they feel they aren't going to get Lebron or Bosh. Amare and Arenas isnt that bad and is the same as Amare and Johnson to me.

LOL, one more mention of Arenas and you get banned.

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7/2/2010  10:43 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
eViL wrote:
We have sources confirming that Amare has accepted a deal with the #NY #Knicks #NBA #FreeAgent

http://twitter.com/BenjaminHochma


Assuming this is true, do we re-sign Lee or do we use the rest of our cap space for a sign and trade for another big or point guard?

We're gonna wait 'til Monday to see what LBJ says, then we're gonna move.

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7/2/2010  10:46 AM
Sangfroid wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
eViL wrote:
We have sources confirming that Amare has accepted a deal with the #NY #Knicks #NBA #FreeAgent

http://twitter.com/BenjaminHochma


Assuming this is true, do we re-sign Lee or do we use the rest of our cap space for a sign and trade for another big or point guard?

We're gonna wait 'til Monday to see what LBJ says, then we're gonna move.

Martin tells me that is a fake twitter account.

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7/2/2010  11:00 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/2/2010  11:02 AM
Forget the idle speculation only designed to fill space and meet the 24 hour press cycle deadlines

Walsh knows Lebron does not consider NYC without the assurance of another A List free agent

1. Sign Amare

2. Take the pulse of SaAntonio for interest in David Lee sign and trade

3. Eva Longoria calls Lebron and whispers that her husband is visiting NY

4. Walsh flies to Cleveland for a signature

5. Tony Parker agrees to defer some cash to 2011 a d signs with Knicks in the AM

6. The same day Lebron flies to 2 Penn Plza for the largest press conference in the history if NYC

you heard it here first

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7/2/2010  11:16 AM
misterearl wrote:Forget the idle speculation only designed to fill space and meet the 24 hour press cycle deadlines

Walsh knows Lebron does not consider NYC without the assurance of another A List free agent

1. Sign Amare

2. Take the pulse of SaAntonio for interest in David Lee sign and trade

3. Eva Longoria calls Lebron and whispers that her husband is visiting NY

4. Walsh flies to Cleveland for a signature

5. Tony Parker agrees to defer some cash to 2011 a d signs with Knicks in the AM

6. The same day Lebron flies to 2 Penn Plza for the largest press conference in the history if NYC

you heard it here first

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7/2/2010  11:45 AM
misterearl wrote:Forget the idle speculation only designed to fill space and meet the 24 hour press cycle deadlines

Walsh knows Lebron does not consider NYC without the assurance of another A List free agent

1. Sign Amare

2. Take the pulse of SaAntonio for interest in David Lee sign and trade

3. Eva Longoria calls Lebron and whispers that her husband is visiting NY

4. Walsh flies to Cleveland for a signature

5. Tony Parker agrees to defer some cash to 2011 a d signs with Knicks in the AM

6. The same day Lebron flies to 2 Penn Plza for the largest press conference in the history if NYC

you heard it here first

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Sounds like a solid Plan A. If SA isn't going to let Parker go (I think they will) then maybe we can substitute in a Lee and Chandler for CP3 S&T?

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7/2/2010  11:47 AM
Suns re-up Frye for 5/30
Suns sign Warrick for 4/18
Suns lowball Amare for 4/non-max
Suns won't S&T Amare
Suns pull offer off the table for Amare

Amare a goner... Welcome to NY?

Bosh probably joining Wade in Miami.
Chicago has no one.
Nets have no one.
Knicks get Amare.
Why would LBJ return to CLE? Why would he go to CHI? Why the NETS?

Amare lands here, LBJ follows?

I like our chances.

Bosh and Wade versus Amare and LBJ. Stern just creamed.

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7/2/2010  12:30 PM
PLAN B: Is Wade and Bosh to NY. It ain't over till the fat lady sings.
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Suns Beat Writer... Amare just received his best offer yet, speculates it was from us

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