martin wrote:

sebstar wrote:Hell yeah he improved. He never got off the bench with us and he was a solid contributer for the T-Wolves. Yeah, they're trash but so are we so we cant act too good for a servicable big man.

And Hill improved more than a hint. C'mon now.

solid contributer... for 1 win out of 24? Show me how Hill improved.

In regards to Darko, he went to Minny, scored, rebounded and blocked shots. I think the Knicks could have used that this year and obviously Walsh did also.

No rookies got significant minutes on a team that only one 29 games until Walsh traveled with the team in March. D'Antoni had issues with a lot of players. Some of them may have been as simple as he didn't want to put the time and effort in to teach them. I don't think there is any excuse for how the rookies were handled this year. Nate and D'Antoni may have never been able to get on the same page and I get that. However, there is a pattern with the coach where he is not able to get on the same page with a lot of players and it has hurt the franchise in my opinion.

CrushAlot wrote:Johnathon Bender was getting minutes over Hill on a 29 win team. Please explain to me how that makes any sense.

no use asking that question... i lost count of how many times i've asked the same & no one's been able to give me a logical answer... MDA apologists will go to any lengths to defend his nonsensical decisions regardless of the logic (or lack of logic in this case) behind them.

buddapaw wrote:

TMS wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Johnathon Bender was getting minutes over Hill on a 29 win team. Please explain to me how that makes any sense.

no use asking that question... i lost count of how many times i've asked the same & no one's been able to give me a logical answer... MDA apologists will go to any lengths to defend his nonsensical decisions regardless of the logic (or lack of logic in this case) behind them.

Lol times a million

Also not benching Duholyfrickinheldoeshesuck even though he really SUCKED MAJOR ASS all season was really dumb. People blew by Dusuck like they do Nate, but at least Nate could hit the broad side of a barn in an offense predicated by jumpshots.

Pharzeone wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Sebstar, Darkos attitude stunk when he was here. You seriously gonna tell me YOU would play him? Hill brought his reputation right to Houston and he's STILL known as a lazy player, despite the stats. I'd bench him too.

And Nate desperately needed the benching. The guy needed to learn a lesson that he should have been learning his first couple of years, but Isiah and Larry Brown just instantly fell in love with his ability and threw him in there, instead of letting him earn his way into the games. MDA made him earn his way back, and that's what should have happened.

This is what bothers me about D'Antoni's time here. How do we know if Darko's attitude stunk because D'Antoni said so? What D'Antoni hasn't lied since being here? Darko wanted to play and contribute to the team, how does that make him a guy with a bad attitude?

Furthermore, MDA didn't make Nate earned his way back. Nate played because Hughes had a bad string of games and made D'Antoni look like a fool for having him sit on the bench in losses. He played him because the story reach national outlets about D'Antoni and his doghouse and other players around the league began commenting on the situation. And for the record I don't buy that crap that D'Antoni tried to sell me about Hill being a "bad rookie" either. Please show me the comments where Hill is described as a lazy player in Houston. The guy got traded no need to make up stuff about him. From everything I read they love the guy.

I don't need comments. He falls asleep when he plays, just like he did with the Knicks. For the record, I still am not a huge fan of that trade, and I would have liked to have kept Hill, but I didn't see anything in his play that screamed "This guy deserves to be on the court consistently." b/c he does fall asleep a lot and get lazy on the court.

Like I said, you and I know NOTHING about why MDA benched Nate. It's only my theory, and it's every bit as valid as yours.

Darkos attitude stunk b/c he was beeeotching to the media and saying how he was going to move back to Europe. That's called having a crap attitude, and I'd want it gone from my team too, no matter how well he plays in Minnesota. If he didn't do that, I bet you anything he could have earned his way back into the rotation, but that sent him in MDAs permanant doghouse, and it would have been the same with every other coach in the league.

Pharzeone wrote:allanfan, Hill was a rookie big man. You are begrudge him for not performing at an all-star when he was on the court. He was trying to play in a new system with new teammates. The Knicks came off a 30 win season, where were the players that demanded more time ahead of him. You put anyone of those other rookies on that team and how they were manage and I think you would probably have similar results. I thought he deserved to be on the court because was a willing player who look to defend and rebound.

Darko only took to the media once he was in MDA's doghouse for an extended period and I don't blame him.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree about Darko, because I honestly think he was acting like a beotch when he was here. When you're not in the rotation, or the doghouse as you call it, you don't bitch to the media. You bust your ass, have as great an attitude as you can, so that eventually whatever coach can rely on the fact that he can call your number, like if someone got injured. If you got a guy saying "I am just going to Europe. It's not my fault I was picked number two and teams saw I could run and shoot and dunk and pass and had these high expectations." That's not the EXACT quote, but it's basically what he said. Sheesh. Where's is he holding himself accountable and where are his expectations for himself. That sounds more like a guy who doesn't want to be in the league, as opposed to a guy trying to bust out of MDAs "doghouse." Did Nate talk like that when he was benched? Ah no. You saw him running the steps, working even harder, ect... Eventually he did get called and played great.

I never said All Star one time when I was talking about Hill. I said he falls asleep and plays lazy. I don't want my worst player on the team to be doing that, let alone my number one draft pick. Big difference, so please re read my post.