AnubisADL wrote:

Nalod wrote:

WIth Skiles its a tight fit. Your on board with him or your toast.

Some coaches let rookies be rookies and they play their way in. Jennings was given every chance and he came up a professional. I say that because so many rookies don't have the maturity to stay on it every day.

This is an intangable gained from playing abroad or in a top NCAA program. And once in a while a kid like this slips thru the cracks. It happens. It will happen again.

From what we have seen from TD if he was in the same situation he might have responded similar. That is the bucks a talented playoff team and we are a team in transition. Bucks have vet leadership and we are clueless.

ANd the season is over. We move on.

29 teams passed on Dlee and this kid proved them all wrong. We win some and lose some.

You believe the Bucks have more talent then we do?

Salmons, Ersan, Ridnour, Muah-Boute, and Delfino are considered talent now.

last time i checked theyre in the playoffs and the knicks are fishing. how do you see it any other way considering how many games the knicks won this year.

The most important issue is he runs the offense and keep the team under control.

jimimou wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Nalod wrote:

WIth Skiles its a tight fit. Your on board with him or your toast.

Some coaches let rookies be rookies and they play their way in. Jennings was given every chance and he came up a professional. I say that because so many rookies don't have the maturity to stay on it every day.

This is an intangable gained from playing abroad or in a top NCAA program. And once in a while a kid like this slips thru the cracks. It happens. It will happen again.

From what we have seen from TD if he was in the same situation he might have responded similar. That is the bucks a talented playoff team and we are a team in transition. Bucks have vet leadership and we are clueless.

ANd the season is over. We move on.

29 teams passed on Dlee and this kid proved them all wrong. We win some and lose some.

You believe the Bucks have more talent then we do?

Salmons, Ersan, Ridnour, Muah-Boute, and Delfino are considered talent now.

last time i checked theyre in the playoffs and the knicks are fishing. how do you see it any other way considering how many games the knicks won this year.

I'm not sure how anyone could compare the knicks roster to any other team in the league, considering we only have 4 guy's under contract. This was a straight throw away year, they just couldn't come right out and say it.

It was mostly to try and gain some value with our expiring contracts for possible S&T or off jj's contrat.
TD was in the cards going FWD, i see no reason why we needed to show case him right away

AnubisADL wrote:

jimimou wrote:

sebstar wrote:They arent more talented than us, the difference between the two teams is Jennings.

c'mon man - what did you just wake up from an all nighter. one person (unless his name is magic, larry, mj, kobe or lebron) does not carry a team the whole season and into the playoffs. they have alot moe talent than the knicks - maybe not true in the future as some of the younger player develop further, but right now, no way.

You seem to fail to realize how a good PG can elevate the play of everyone else on the team. I suggest you take a look at all the teams Andre Miller was on. His play at the PG position elevates his teammates. He did it in Denver, Philly, and now Portland.

i can appreciate a point guards impact on a team, but all the teams you mentioned about miller had better talent than the current knicks squad as well. u put jennings on the 2009 knicks squad and they do not get anywhere near the results that the bucks got this year.

knicks1248 wrote:

jimimou wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

Nalod wrote:

WIth Skiles its a tight fit. Your on board with him or your toast.

Some coaches let rookies be rookies and they play their way in. Jennings was given every chance and he came up a professional. I say that because so many rookies don't have the maturity to stay on it every day.

This is an intangable gained from playing abroad or in a top NCAA program. And once in a while a kid like this slips thru the cracks. It happens. It will happen again.

From what we have seen from TD if he was in the same situation he might have responded similar. That is the bucks a talented playoff team and we are a team in transition. Bucks have vet leadership and we are clueless.

ANd the season is over. We move on.

29 teams passed on Dlee and this kid proved them all wrong. We win some and lose some.

You believe the Bucks have more talent then we do?

Salmons, Ersan, Ridnour, Muah-Boute, and Delfino are considered talent now.

last time i checked theyre in the playoffs and the knicks are fishing. how do you see it any other way considering how many games the knicks won this year.

I'm not sure how anyone could compare the knicks roster to any other team in the league, considering we only have 4 guy's under contract. This was a straight throw away year, they just couldn't come right out and say it.

It was mostly to try and gain some value with our expiring contracts for possible S&T or off jj's contrat.
TD was in the cards going FWD, i see no reason why we needed to show case him right away

Are you trying to say Milwaukee is a cohesive unit?

- Delfino and Ersan were added this past summer
- Salmons and Stackhouse were added mid-season
- Redd injured since beginning of season

The only guys who have been on the team more than a year that contribute are Ridnour, Bogut, and Muah-Boute. This was a throw away year for Milwaukee too. They let both of their RFA's go last summer and signed guys to get them by until Redd expires next summer. Jennings has been the difference for this team.

nyk4ever wrote:Let's not forget how well Bogut played this year either... 16/10/2.5blk

No. Player
42 Charlie Bell
6 Andrew Bogut
50 Dan Gadzuric
12 Royal Ivey
9 Yi Jianlian
24 Desmond Mason
22 Michael Redd
51 Michael Ruffin
7 Ramon Sessions
21 Bobby Simmons
20 Awvee Storey
31 Charlie Villanueva
43 Jake Voskuhl
25 Mo Williams

Bogut played with that team 2 yrs ago and put up 14/10/1.7blk

Guess where they finished in the standings? Record that year was 26-56.

jimimou wrote:

sebstar wrote:

jimimou wrote:

sebstar wrote:They arent more talented than us, the difference between the two teams is Jennings.

c'mon man - what did you just wake up from an all nighter. one person (unless his name is magic, larry, mj, kobe or lebron) does not carry a team the whole season and into the playoffs. they have alot moe talent than the knicks - maybe not true in the future as some of the younger player develop further, but right now, no way.

I actually got a good night sleep for the first time in ages last night, so the boy is good and ready to attack another weekend. My mind is right.

They're missing supposedly "their best player" and yet they are on the verge of beating the Hawks. You think this team without Bogut is top to bottom more talented than the Knicks? Naw, Jennings is that good. I know it sucks to say, since Jennings has been marginalized so tough around here, but we passed on an unbelievable talent.

boring thurs night for you eh seb? lol

i agree with you that jennings was overlooked here and a major wiff, the kid has the goods. relative to the talent argument though, only way to make a fair comparison is to put jennings and skiles on the knicks w the rest of the current knicks squad - even if skiles was coach last year and brandon ran the point, can you honestly say the knicks would have been where the bucks are now? if you do, cool, i just cant see it.

Nice, productive, quiet night. Wednesday was actually crazy. My boy's birthday. I literally couldnt move last night. For the good. I gotta try this sleep thing more often.

Anubis had the right point. With no Jennings the Bucks won 26 games the year previous...

Not only is Jennings a hell of a talent, but he gots that "winning brain" that the great Blob used to always ramble about. My man is a winner and a leader.

AnubisADL wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:Let's not forget how well Bogut played this year either... 16/10/2.5blk

No. Player
42 Charlie Bell
6 Andrew Bogut
50 Dan Gadzuric
12 Royal Ivey
9 Yi Jianlian
24 Desmond Mason
22 Michael Redd
51 Michael Ruffin
7 Ramon Sessions
21 Bobby Simmons
20 Awvee Storey
31 Charlie Villanueva
43 Jake Voskuhl
25 Mo Williams

Bogut played with that team 2 yrs ago and put up 14/10/1.7blk

Guess where they finished in the standings? Record that year was 26-56.

you can look at that multiple ways. 1. brandon jennings is so good he did it all byhimself 2. getting rid of some of those players helped make the bucks a better team 3. a little of both.

nyk4ever wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:Let's not forget how well Bogut played this year either... 16/10/2.5blk

No. Player
42 Charlie Bell
6 Andrew Bogut
50 Dan Gadzuric
12 Royal Ivey
9 Yi Jianlian
24 Desmond Mason
22 Michael Redd
51 Michael Ruffin
7 Ramon Sessions
21 Bobby Simmons
20 Awvee Storey
31 Charlie Villanueva
43 Jake Voskuhl
25 Mo Williams

Bogut played with that team 2 yrs ago and put up 14/10/1.7blk

Guess where they finished in the standings? Record that year was 26-56.

you can look at that multiple ways. 1. brandon jennings is so good he did it all byhimself 2. getting rid of some of those players helped make the bucks a better team 3. a little of both.

I just wanted to make the point that stats mean little because we all know Mo Williams, Michael Redd, and Charlie Villanueva put up numbers. Problem is they dont play defense. Now the current team is the exact opposite. They defend but cant generate enough offense to win games however Jennings is making those weak offensive players better.