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3/30/2010  4:53 PM
I'm curious. If we didn't make the trades and then bought out Eddy Curry what savings would we have added to the cap. I think 2 million was the number being thrown around. Is that accurate? Could we have then offered Lee and contracy starting at 9 and then going up in value every year?
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3/30/2010  4:58 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
TMS wrote:
"I really didn’t know what the list of free agents were."

too busy napping to research this kinda useless information in the biggest free agency summer of alltime

First off, I think Walsh is making crap up when he says that. I remember specifically, 2 years ago, that he knows of very good players that were in this free agent class. If you're gonna take his words so seriously, have fun. I'm not talking about YOU TMS. I'm just directing at this in people in general... You just can't take the media comments seriously anymore, b/c 1)People lie to the media. 2) People never give out much info, or are overly careful in fear of what the media can do. and 3) the media twists crap around, and doesn't include everything the quotes provided.

In this case, Donnie is lying. Big whop. He knew perfectly well who was in the free agent class. He probably even had his eye on it even when he was in Indiana.

And here we are talking about SOURCES and getting our panties in a bunch about what "sources" say. Have fun with that. I'll go free ballin'.

when players come out in the press with idiotic comments i hold them accountable just the same... i like to try & stay consistent.

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3/30/2010  5:07 PM
TMS wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
TMS wrote:
"I really didn’t know what the list of free agents were."

too busy napping to research this kinda useless information in the biggest free agency summer of alltime

First off, I think Walsh is making crap up when he says that. I remember specifically, 2 years ago, that he knows of very good players that were in this free agent class. If you're gonna take his words so seriously, have fun. I'm not talking about YOU TMS. I'm just directing at this in people in general... You just can't take the media comments seriously anymore, b/c 1)People lie to the media. 2) People never give out much info, or are overly careful in fear of what the media can do. and 3) the media twists crap around, and doesn't include everything the quotes provided.

In this case, Donnie is lying. Big whop. He knew perfectly well who was in the free agent class. He probably even had his eye on it even when he was in Indiana.

And here we are talking about SOURCES and getting our panties in a bunch about what "sources" say. Have fun with that. I'll go free ballin'.

when players come out in the press with idiotic comments i hold them accountable just the same... i like to try & stay consistent.

Yes, I agree they need to be held accountable too. Exhibit A- Stephon Marbury.

However, it's a lot more difficult then you think when you got these wiseasses doing everything they possibly can to get you to say something "Interesting" and they take that comment like rats and turn it into something that's totally out of the original context, such as what the NY Post does consistently. And it's especially difficult, in this day and age, when "no comment" gets turned into a lot more then "No comment."

I'd love to get into this arguement even more. Really. I'm fascinated by how media and player/coach/gm/owner relationships work out. However, I have to cook for the family, and just don't have the energy to argue about the Knicks like crazy at this point in my life. Too much other crap going on.

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3/30/2010  5:17 PM
with Donnie Walsh i don't think the media has twisted his words much at all... these are all direct quotes that are being cited here bro... this is the same GM who openly admitted to not knowing much about Brandon Jennings going in to draft night... now he goes & says he's not even sure of the full list of free agents going into this summer... what the hell is this guy doing then? i'm just curious to know... because most GM's are aware of these things & prepared beforehand... it's not tampering to say "yes, I realize who will be available this summer but I can't go into who we're targetting right now, alot of things can happen between now & then to change things... you guys will just have to wait til the free agency period to find out what happens just like we will."... something like that is completely acceptable & pretty much accurate... doesn't insult anyone's intelligence or expose yourself as clueless... i seriously think this guy just isn't doing his due diligence... he was once a great GM but sometimes people get older & are less able to go after seeking out the information that they really need to do their jobs effectively... to not have had the proper scouting reports on Brandon Jennings was a failure on his part, & if he goes into this summer w/o full knowledge of every single free agent that will be available, it will be another... LAST thing i want to hear next year is "we didn't even know he was available" if we miss out on a player we could have had at a reasonable contract & end up having to overpay for another.
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3/30/2010  5:19 PM
TMS wrote:with Donnie Walsh i don't think the media has twisted his words much at all... these are all direct quotes that are being cited here bro... this is the same GM who openly admitted to not knowing much about Brandon Jennings going in to draft night... now he goes & says he's not even sure of the full list of free agents going into this summer... what the hell is this guy doing then? i'm just curious to know... because most GM's are aware of these things & prepared beforehand... it's not tampering to say "yes, I realize who will be available this summer but I can't go into who we're targetting right now, alot of things can happen between now & then to change things... you guys will just have to wait til the free agency period to find out what happens just like we will."... something like that is completely acceptable & pretty much accurate... doesn't insult anyone's intelligence or expose yourself as clueless... i seriously think this guy just isn't doing his due diligence... he was once a great GM but sometimes people get older & are less able to go after seeking out the information that they really need to do their jobs effectively... to not have had the proper scouting reports on Brandon Jennings was a failure on his part, & if he goes into this summer w/o full knowledge of every single free agent that will be available, it will be another... LAST thing i want to hear next year is "we didn't even know he was available" if we miss out on a player we could have had at a reasonable contract & end up having to overpay for another.

quick, someone let donnie walsh know that lebron james is a free agent this summer!

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3/30/2010  5:27 PM
i'm not worried about him knowing about Lebron & Bosh... i'm worried if he even knows guys like Luis Scola are available this summer that can be had at much less money than D Lee... or if he even has a fallback plan in place if we miss out on Lebron other than signing Joe Johnson to a max contract, for instance if he even knows if Rudy Gay can be had at a much lower max salary tier? things like this requires a bit of research & legwork on figuring out who is available & who is not... if a freakin' message board poster can do this with a simple click of the mouse, why can't he? & if he does know, why even bother coming out with idiotic statements like "i didn't even know what the list of free agents were"? it just makes him look clueless.
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3/30/2010  5:32 PM
TMS wrote:... if a freakin' message board poster can do this with a simple click of the mouse, why can't he?

You ever have to try and teach your grandparents how to use the internet?

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3/30/2010  5:40 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:
TMS wrote:... if a freakin' message board poster can do this with a simple click of the mouse, why can't he?

You ever have to try and teach your grandparents how to use the internet?

hire a damn assistant to do the legwork then... it's not that hard to be informed before making these huge decisions that impact the future of the franchise you are in charge of.

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3/30/2010  5:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/30/2010  5:57 PM
TMS wrote:i'm not worried about him knowing about Lebron & Bosh... i'm worried if he even knows guys like Luis Scola are available this summer that can be had at much less money than D Lee... or if he even has a fallback plan in place if we miss out on Lebron other than signing Joe Johnson to a max contract, for instance if he even knows if Rudy Gay can be had at a much lower max salary tier? things like this requires a bit of research & legwork on figuring out who is available & who is not... if a freakin' message board poster can do this with a simple click of the mouse, why can't he? & if he does know, why even bother coming out with idiotic statements like "i didn't even know what the list of free agents were"? it just makes him look clueless.

Walsh isn't even our GM. I doubt he ever really was. He's the president of operations. He has John Gabriel (capologist and GM), Glen Grunwald (GM).

And all of these clowns...


BASKETBALL OPERATIONS
Vice President, Basketball Operations Jamie Mathews
Vice President, Sports Team Operations Jason Vogel
Director, Player Personnel Misho Ostarcevic
Director, Pro Scouting & Free Agency John Gabriel
Director, East Scouting Rodney Heard
Director, West Scouting Mark Hughes
Director, International Scouting Kevin Wilson
Scouts Ben Jobe, Scott McGuire, Walker D. Russell, Steve Yoder
Assistant to the Pres for Basketball Operations Allan Houston
Director, Team Operations Chris Bernard
Director, Security John Donohue
Executive Assistant to President Marivic Lardizabal
Executive Administrative Assistant Dianela Correia
Manager, Sports Administration Debbie Sturniolo
Manager, Scouting Kristian Petesic
Administrator, Sports Team Operations Tim Criscitelli
Administrative Assistant, Team Operations Caroline Giglio

All running the show. Donnie Walsh is merely the face...and a consultant.

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3/30/2010  6:15 PM
Cosmic wrote:
TMS wrote:i'm not worried about him knowing about Lebron & Bosh... i'm worried if he even knows guys like Luis Scola are available this summer that can be had at much less money than D Lee... or if he even has a fallback plan in place if we miss out on Lebron other than signing Joe Johnson to a max contract, for instance if he even knows if Rudy Gay can be had at a much lower max salary tier? things like this requires a bit of research & legwork on figuring out who is available & who is not... if a freakin' message board poster can do this with a simple click of the mouse, why can't he? & if he does know, why even bother coming out with idiotic statements like "i didn't even know what the list of free agents were"? it just makes him look clueless.

Walsh isn't even our GM. I doubt he ever really was. He's the president of operations. He has John Gabriel (capologist and GM), Glen Grunwald (GM).

And all of these clowns...


BASKETBALL OPERATIONS
Vice President, Basketball Operations Jamie Mathews
Vice President, Sports Team Operations Jason Vogel
Director, Player Personnel Misho Ostarcevic
Director, Pro Scouting & Free Agency John Gabriel
Director, East Scouting Rodney Heard
Director, West Scouting Mark Hughes
Director, International Scouting Kevin Wilson
Scouts Ben Jobe, Scott McGuire, Walker D. Russell, Steve Yoder
Assistant to the Pres for Basketball Operations Allan Houston
Director, Team Operations Chris Bernard
Director, Security John Donohue
Executive Assistant to President Marivic Lardizabal
Executive Administrative Assistant Dianela Correia
Manager, Sports Administration Debbie Sturniolo
Manager, Scouting Kristian Petesic
Administrator, Sports Team Operations Tim Criscitelli
Administrative Assistant, Team Operations Caroline Giglio

All running the show. Donnie Walsh is merely the face...and a consultant.

sweet. 4 directors of scouting and a manager of scouting, and 4 scouts. talk about bloated corp management titles.

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3/30/2010  6:50 PM
TMS wrote:with Donnie Walsh i don't think the media has twisted his words much at all... these are all direct quotes that are being cited here bro... this is the same GM who openly admitted to not knowing much about Brandon Jennings going in to draft night... now he goes & says he's not even sure of the full list of free agents going into this summer... what the hell is this guy doing then? i'm just curious to know... because most GM's are aware of these things & prepared beforehand... it's not tampering to say "yes, I realize who will be available this summer but I can't go into who we're targetting right now, alot of things can happen between now & then to change things... you guys will just have to wait til the free agency period to find out what happens just like we will."... something like that is completely acceptable & pretty much accurate... doesn't insult anyone's intelligence or expose yourself as clueless... i seriously think this guy just isn't doing his due diligence... he was once a great GM but sometimes people get older & are less able to go after seeking out the information that they really need to do their jobs effectively... to not have had the proper scouting reports on Brandon Jennings was a failure on his part, & if he goes into this summer w/o full knowledge of every single free agent that will be available, it will be another... LAST thing i want to hear next year is "we didn't even know he was available" if we miss out on a player we could have had at a reasonable contract & end up having to overpay for another.

I know they didn't twist his words. My post said that Donnie flat out lied. There's no way he didn't know who was in this upcoming FA pool. Heck, if this was his plan for NY, who's to say it wouldn't have been his plan for Indiana.

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3/30/2010  7:05 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
TMS wrote:with Donnie Walsh i don't think the media has twisted his words much at all... these are all direct quotes that are being cited here bro... this is the same GM who openly admitted to not knowing much about Brandon Jennings going in to draft night... now he goes & says he's not even sure of the full list of free agents going into this summer... what the hell is this guy doing then? i'm just curious to know... because most GM's are aware of these things & prepared beforehand... it's not tampering to say "yes, I realize who will be available this summer but I can't go into who we're targetting right now, alot of things can happen between now & then to change things... you guys will just have to wait til the free agency period to find out what happens just like we will."... something like that is completely acceptable & pretty much accurate... doesn't insult anyone's intelligence or expose yourself as clueless... i seriously think this guy just isn't doing his due diligence... he was once a great GM but sometimes people get older & are less able to go after seeking out the information that they really need to do their jobs effectively... to not have had the proper scouting reports on Brandon Jennings was a failure on his part, & if he goes into this summer w/o full knowledge of every single free agent that will be available, it will be another... LAST thing i want to hear next year is "we didn't even know he was available" if we miss out on a player we could have had at a reasonable contract & end up having to overpay for another.

I know they didn't twist his words. My post said that Donnie flat out lied. There's no way he didn't know who was in this upcoming FA pool. Heck, if this was his plan for NY, who's to say it wouldn't have been his plan for Indiana.

so did he lie when he said he had no idea what Brandon Jennings was as a prospect before we passed on him too? i don't believe it... i believe he had no idea what Brandon Jennings could do because he didn't take the time to properly scout him himself like he should have done... i believe he got swayed by fact that Jennings made those controversial comments & dismissed him as a prospect not worth considering (much like i did but then again i'm not being paid to make these decisions)... i believe MDA may have got in his ear & said he was not the type of PG he wanted to run his system (pure speculation on my part on that but Jennings doesn't seem to me like the type of player or personality that would make a good match w/MDA's philosophies & character traits)... i don't believe Donnie did his due diligence in scouting this guy before he decided to pass on him... so in that respect, i think it's fair to say he failed in his job as a GM on that one... then he goes & throws his scouts under the bus for not coming up to him everyday to tell him about how great a prospect this guy was instead of accepting personal accountability for not doing his job... he shouldn't have to wait for guys to bring him reports on guys like this, he should be out there seeking them out actively himself... that's what a GM is supposed to do.

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3/30/2010  7:11 PM
Cosmic wrote:
TMS wrote:i'm not worried about him knowing about Lebron & Bosh... i'm worried if he even knows guys like Luis Scola are available this summer that can be had at much less money than D Lee... or if he even has a fallback plan in place if we miss out on Lebron other than signing Joe Johnson to a max contract, for instance if he even knows if Rudy Gay can be had at a much lower max salary tier? things like this requires a bit of research & legwork on figuring out who is available & who is not... if a freakin' message board poster can do this with a simple click of the mouse, why can't he? & if he does know, why even bother coming out with idiotic statements like "i didn't even know what the list of free agents were"? it just makes him look clueless.

Walsh isn't even our GM. I doubt he ever really was. He's the president of operations. He has John Gabriel (capologist and GM), Glen Grunwald (GM).

And all of these clowns...


BASKETBALL OPERATIONS
Vice President, Basketball Operations Jamie Mathews
Vice President, Sports Team Operations Jason Vogel
Director, Player Personnel Misho Ostarcevic
Director, Pro Scouting & Free Agency John Gabriel
Director, East Scouting Rodney Heard
Director, West Scouting Mark Hughes
Director, International Scouting Kevin Wilson
Scouts Ben Jobe, Scott McGuire, Walker D. Russell, Steve Yoder
Assistant to the Pres for Basketball Operations Allan Houston
Director, Team Operations Chris Bernard
Director, Security John Donohue
Executive Assistant to President Marivic Lardizabal
Executive Administrative Assistant Dianela Correia
Manager, Sports Administration Debbie Sturniolo
Manager, Scouting Kristian Petesic
Administrator, Sports Team Operations Tim Criscitelli
Administrative Assistant, Team Operations Caroline Giglio

All running the show. Donnie Walsh is merely the face...and a consultant.

& who is in charge of putting all these people into their roles? & who should be accountable when the team he has put in place doesn't do their jobs correctly? so basically u look at Donnie Walsh as a figure head only & not responsible or accountable for any of the player personnel decisions this franchise makes? that's nonsense... other than James Dolan, Donnie gets the last say on all roster decisions... the buck stops with him... as such, he should be in the know about all available prospects when he's got a #8 lottery pick to use, & he should be in the know about all available free agents when he's got $35 mil in cap space to spend... coming out with statements like "i didn't know" is just no excuse.

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3/30/2010  8:42 PM
Donnie wanted to keep Isiah as a personal consultant particularly for scouting and talent evaluation but he left. When he left he wanted to get Mullin for the role but Dolan didn't want it. Donnie kinda of got screwed but he had enough time to bring in someone he really trusted and could rely on as much as he wanted to do with those two. Houston is suppose to be filling that role now but I guess he hasn't develop the necessary talent evaluation skills yet to help him since he is still learning about the front office. The buck stops with Donnie for sure.
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3/30/2010  9:05 PM
I refuse to believe Donnie Walsh doesn't know every single damn FA that will be available this summer. That's his job. He just says what he says to get those idiots in the media to eat it. I wouldn't take his comments seriously. It's pretty common sense why these trades were made - LeBron James plus another MAX FA.
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3/30/2010  9:18 PM
TMS wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
TMS wrote:i'm not worried about him knowing about Lebron & Bosh... i'm worried if he even knows guys like Luis Scola are available this summer that can be had at much less money than D Lee... or if he even has a fallback plan in place if we miss out on Lebron other than signing Joe Johnson to a max contract, for instance if he even knows if Rudy Gay can be had at a much lower max salary tier? things like this requires a bit of research & legwork on figuring out who is available & who is not... if a freakin' message board poster can do this with a simple click of the mouse, why can't he? & if he does know, why even bother coming out with idiotic statements like "i didn't even know what the list of free agents were"? it just makes him look clueless.

Walsh isn't even our GM. I doubt he ever really was. He's the president of operations. He has John Gabriel (capologist and GM), Glen Grunwald (GM).

And all of these clowns...


BASKETBALL OPERATIONS
Vice President, Basketball Operations Jamie Mathews
Vice President, Sports Team Operations Jason Vogel
Director, Player Personnel Misho Ostarcevic
Director, Pro Scouting & Free Agency John Gabriel
Director, East Scouting Rodney Heard
Director, West Scouting Mark Hughes
Director, International Scouting Kevin Wilson
Scouts Ben Jobe, Scott McGuire, Walker D. Russell, Steve Yoder
Assistant to the Pres for Basketball Operations Allan Houston
Director, Team Operations Chris Bernard
Director, Security John Donohue
Executive Assistant to President Marivic Lardizabal
Executive Administrative Assistant Dianela Correia
Manager, Sports Administration Debbie Sturniolo
Manager, Scouting Kristian Petesic
Administrator, Sports Team Operations Tim Criscitelli
Administrative Assistant, Team Operations Caroline Giglio

All running the show. Donnie Walsh is merely the face...and a consultant.

& who is in charge of putting all these people into their roles? & who should be accountable when the team he has put in place doesn't do their jobs correctly? so basically u look at Donnie Walsh as a figure head only & not responsible or accountable for any of the player personnel decisions this franchise makes? that's nonsense... other than James Dolan, Donnie gets the last say on all roster decisions... the buck stops with him... as such, he should be in the know about all available prospects when he's got a #8 lottery pick to use, & he should be in the know about all available free agents when he's got $35 mil in cap space to spend... coming out with statements like "i didn't know" is just no excuse.

Accountable of what?

What are you missing?

The same thing many fans are missing....

The plan all along from the day he was hired was to tear down the roster and start over.

The roster was in such distress that it would take two years to tear it down.

We're now at that point. It's been two years. The roster has been torn down (sans McCurry).

Now, we're going to build a new team starting this summer.

We hope to start with franchise players.

How about we give Walsh and Mike, partners in all of this despite what the media may say, two years to prove themselves? Can't build a team overnight. We build a foundation this summer and add to it over the course of next year but most likely the following (2011) summer. Then we compete (2011-2012 season).

I don't understand what is so hard to understand.

We didn't trade for Harrington and Hughes with the intent to win 50 games and steam through the playoffs - no matter how much you fell for the necessary lip service of the GM. We made these trades to dump salary and start over.

We're there now. Salary has been dumped. This summer we start to build the new team.

Why not give it a shot?

Why bash it before it begins?

This is like impregnating a woman and trashing the baby that isn't even born yet.

Why not let the baby be born before you have an opinion?

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3/30/2010  9:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/30/2010  9:31 PM
Cosmic wrote:

How about we give Walsh and Mike, partners in all of this despite what the media may say, two years to prove themselves? Can't build a team overnight. We build a foundation this summer and add to it over the course of next year but most likely the following (2011) summer. Then we compete (2011-2012 season).

I don't understand what is so hard to understand.

I'm sorry but no. Mike was on the clock from day one and Donnie is on the clock July 1. We're not talking about another 2 years because you happen to be their fans or you really want to believe in them. Two years already went by. Everyone knows that the summer of July 1 was D-day. Donnie decided to cut the timetable even more with his last trade. He decided against a natural rebuild and went for FA quick fix. I don't understand what is so hard to understand either.

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3/30/2010  10:26 PM
Cosmic wrote:
TMS wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
TMS wrote:i'm not worried about him knowing about Lebron & Bosh... i'm worried if he even knows guys like Luis Scola are available this summer that can be had at much less money than D Lee... or if he even has a fallback plan in place if we miss out on Lebron other than signing Joe Johnson to a max contract, for instance if he even knows if Rudy Gay can be had at a much lower max salary tier? things like this requires a bit of research & legwork on figuring out who is available & who is not... if a freakin' message board poster can do this with a simple click of the mouse, why can't he? & if he does know, why even bother coming out with idiotic statements like "i didn't even know what the list of free agents were"? it just makes him look clueless.

Walsh isn't even our GM. I doubt he ever really was. He's the president of operations. He has John Gabriel (capologist and GM), Glen Grunwald (GM).

And all of these clowns...


BASKETBALL OPERATIONS
Vice President, Basketball Operations Jamie Mathews
Vice President, Sports Team Operations Jason Vogel
Director, Player Personnel Misho Ostarcevic
Director, Pro Scouting & Free Agency John Gabriel
Director, East Scouting Rodney Heard
Director, West Scouting Mark Hughes
Director, International Scouting Kevin Wilson
Scouts Ben Jobe, Scott McGuire, Walker D. Russell, Steve Yoder
Assistant to the Pres for Basketball Operations Allan Houston
Director, Team Operations Chris Bernard
Director, Security John Donohue
Executive Assistant to President Marivic Lardizabal
Executive Administrative Assistant Dianela Correia
Manager, Sports Administration Debbie Sturniolo
Manager, Scouting Kristian Petesic
Administrator, Sports Team Operations Tim Criscitelli
Administrative Assistant, Team Operations Caroline Giglio

All running the show. Donnie Walsh is merely the face...and a consultant.

& who is in charge of putting all these people into their roles? & who should be accountable when the team he has put in place doesn't do their jobs correctly? so basically u look at Donnie Walsh as a figure head only & not responsible or accountable for any of the player personnel decisions this franchise makes? that's nonsense... other than James Dolan, Donnie gets the last say on all roster decisions... the buck stops with him... as such, he should be in the know about all available prospects when he's got a #8 lottery pick to use, & he should be in the know about all available free agents when he's got $35 mil in cap space to spend... coming out with statements like "i didn't know" is just no excuse.

Accountable of what?

What are you missing?

The same thing many fans are missing....

The plan all along from the day he was hired was to tear down the roster and start over.

The roster was in such distress that it would take two years to tear it down.

We're now at that point. It's been two years. The roster has been torn down (sans McCurry).

Now, we're going to build a new team starting this summer.

We hope to start with franchise players.

How about we give Walsh and Mike, partners in all of this despite what the media may say, two years to prove themselves? Can't build a team overnight. We build a foundation this summer and add to it over the course of next year but most likely the following (2011) summer. Then we compete (2011-2012 season).

I don't understand what is so hard to understand.

We didn't trade for Harrington and Hughes with the intent to win 50 games and steam through the playoffs - no matter how much you fell for the necessary lip service of the GM. We made these trades to dump salary and start over.

We're there now. Salary has been dumped. This summer we start to build the new team.

Why not give it a shot?

Why bash it before it begins?

This is like impregnating a woman and trashing the baby that isn't even born yet.

Why not let the baby be born before you have an opinion?

i have absolutely no idea where you draw these statements from, i was never under any impression that Donnie made the trades for Al & Larry to try & compete... you obviously missed all the posts i made telling people not to expect this team to have improved after making those trades... if u have a point make it & stop drawing stuff like this out of thin air, because they have nothing to do with anything i've ever said... you didn't even bother trying to answer anything in my last response & just recited the same old stuff you've been spewing about "we needed to tear down Isiah's mess" for the past 2 months... once again, how does any of that apply to this discussion about Donnie being informed about draft prospects & free agents?

After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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3/31/2010  12:13 AM
Any GM who's been around as long as DW is gonna have some moments where their moves look shaky. Also savvy GM's are gonna tell boldface lies and use misleading statements to the media. It's part of the job in a way. GM's say crap all the time that are contradicting. It doesn't mean DW is clueless. Does anyone really think DW is out of touch on the top 20 picks in the draft? Or that he isn't keenly aware of every single FA that will be available?
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3/31/2010  12:35 AM
One of the game's most respected executives for more than two decades, Donnie Walsh returned to his native Big Apple when he was named president, basketball operations of the Knickerbockers on Apr. 2, 2008. Now in his second season in New York, he has already dramatically changed the face of one of the NBA's premier franchises.


Cosmic your list left off President of Basketball Operations which is what Walsh is title is. He isn't a figure head and he steps up and takes the heat off of D'Antoni all the time and makes trades to protect him. To suggest he isn't in charge is laughable,

I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
CBS Sports: Donnie Doesn't View Bosh As Max Player

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