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Pharzeone
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3/23/2010  5:49 PM
Cosmic wrote:
TMS wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
TMS wrote:

when u represent my argument's correctly i'll give u a response... if u wanna keep exaggerating to make your point don't bother wasting my time dude.

btw, i'm pretty sure Donnie Walsh has a better grasp on judging NBA talent than you do also, so much for your expert pronouncements about Jordan Hill's upside potential based on 24 games of sporadic action.

I don't think anyone knows what the hell your argument is beyond trashing Walsh and Mike for no real good reason, ignoring the path of the team, and throwing fits over a mediocre player in Jordan Hill as if we dumped a potential superstar.

It just seems you want to vent over just about nothing in a far overblown way and when someone questions you about it you clam up.

So, well, whatever...

for those that are capable of understanding simple english, my posts are not hard to understand...


Is all you can do is insult people now?

Your posts are English? Have you proofread any of them?

Had enough of this...and I have answered you time and again. You ignore it and rant on.

I wrote my last post about Jordan Hill in the Houston game thread if you're interested.

I certainly am not entertained anymore by this so I'm moving on. It's been beaten to death.

Cosmic, you indicated you wrote your last Jordan Hill post like 5 threads ago. No need to make a declaration that you know you have no intention on keeping. Just post dude. It's a free forum with great discussions both pro and con.

I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
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3/23/2010  6:03 PM
TMS wrote:that is exactly my point tho... we all knew this team would suck this year, so what was the point in playing role playing vets so many minutes that you knew had no future on this team beyond this season? why did MDA stick with Duhon so long when he was clearly struggling & not give the rookie a chance? we knew this season was shot to hell before the season even got under way, so why not use that wasted season & at least get some kind of value out of it by playing the rookies? it's really not much to expect out of a coach who he himself admitted the situation here would take some backwards steps before being able to move forward... the problem i have is when a coach says 1 thing & does another... he sells us all on how he's on board w/Donnie's plan to rebuild & develop the young guys, & yet doesn't play any of the rookies Donnie drafts... it doesn't make any sense to me... playing Fishlips (i will eternally be indebted to you thank you for that name) & Duhon 35+ minutes a night this season doesn't make any sense to me when u have 2 rookies who should have been seeing those minutes in a throw away season... playing clear favorites in the lockerroom doesn't make sense to me when you're trying to build team unity... IMO MDA has done a HORRIBLE job of managing this team the past 2 years & i'm not afraid to call him out on it... it's not a question of expecting better results in terms of wins & losses.

You sum up my feelings pretty well:
1. We pretty much have a terrible team, so there is no reason to rely on the vets who mostly won't be back next year.
2. Since point 1 is pretty true, then play the rookies. This raises their trade value, instead of selling low (e.g. - Jordan Hill). Now, if you want to argue that Hill was not so good, well then, that falls on your scouts (as well as the rest of the NBA, who had him as a top 5 pick all year).
3. You not doing the vets any favors my playing them so much. You pretty much cost Duhon any chance of a contract next year. Play people to their strengths.

Basically, D'Antoni in the area of ignorance and inflexibility is king. I'm not saying he isn't a good coach with talent. But with what he has, HE ABSOLUTELY SUCKS

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3/23/2010  6:38 PM
sebstar wrote:
eViL wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
eViL wrote:if MDA flops next year with great players, then there can be no defense. as for now, i think he's done a bad job with a bad team. the best he could have done with this team is what? 36 wins? he's gonna fall short of that, but really, no one here would have been excited by that win total anyway.

you're equating a good job with win totals. my critique of d'antoni has nothing to do with win totals. it has to do with principles involved and whether this guy is cut out to being the person to lead a team to a championship level b/c after 2010, that will be the expectations of knicks fans.

but what in the last two years gives you any insight into his ability to lead a team that's vying for a championship? you're gonna conclude he can't maximize a great team because he couldn't maximize a bad team? coaching bad teams to good records is not the same as taking a great team and maxing them out.

treatment of players. evalutation: Hill goes from the next amare to "a bad rookie". arrogance. Bizarre rotations. Ext...

I see a lot of red flags in his behavior. Before you guys blamed guys like Nate, Darko, Hughes as being of poor character and thats why D'Antoni had issue with them. Now D'Antoni steps into drama, yet again, this time with a high-character guy, you guys have resorted to digging in your heels and attacking UK posters as being unreasonable and against D'Antoni. Shyts pissing me off.

i haven't attacked nobody doggy. you know that. i'm not even entirely disagreeing with what the critics are saying. i'm mostly disagreeing that what we've seen so far is a signal that duke is not gonna be good for us when we're good to go. the "bad rookie" comment, i don't know about that. i haven't heard it come from him. it could have been a bad attempt at sarcasm.

regardless, he's put his foot in his mouth numerous times. he's had issues with players. this is all documented. but honestly, what coach is not going to have issues with players? any coach that is challenging guys is gonna get into it with some of them. we don't know what he sees, we don't know if he has players goofing off while he's trying to communicate, we don't know if he's got guys rolling their eyes when he's trying to teach. there could be many reasons that guys fell out of his favor that don't involve him just being a douche. and even if he is a douche, i don't really care, as long as he's a douche who knows how to do work with what he's given next year.

i'm not gonna assume that dude is arbitrarily picking guys to hate or that he has some calculated pre-disposition to have issues with certain "types." i know there's a sentiment here that he needs docile complacent types and that he doesn't like guys with strong personalities. i think that's misconstrued. i think he needs guys that are coachable. his most talented players with the knicks don't strike me as the most coachable guys. and as i stated earlier, this team lacks the player who can lead guys in a way that the coach just can't. you best believe a star player here would be an extension of MDA and then many of these communication issues will likely be a thing of the past.

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3/23/2010  6:48 PM
just to clarify on the "bad rookie" comment for everyone, it was televised in full on MSG so no one is misconstruing his comments based on a 3rd person reporting of the incident.
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3/23/2010  7:20 PM
TMS wrote:i think after starting out 1-9 while playing your vets, u owe it to your franchise to shift the focus of the season & start planning for the future good... he made it a point to say he wanted to make that the focus of this season when we passed up on signing Allen Iverson at that exact juncture... giving the rooks playing time at that point wouldn't have been objectionable to anyone involved when your team is putting forth historically bad level of play & futility while doing things your way & you proclaim to the fans that you're more concerned about young guys & their development... i think he showed after that he was speaking out of the other side of his mouth.

you know, i don't know if it was the soft part of the schedule or what it was, but right after they spurned iverson, the knicks actually put together a string of solid play. you know when he says "developing young guys" he also means gallo and chandler. those two certainly stood to lose the most from signing iverson. and there could have been many reasons they passed on iverson, but the stance they took publicly was probably the most respectful to AI. better than saying he's a washed up drunk that they want nowhere near their team. lost in all this, "d'antoni doesn't like rookies talk" is the fact that we have two young guys, granted they are not rookies, both playing well and improving. do i wish that jordan hill and TD could be in that equation? yes. but alas, hill is gone and now TD, whether held back in the past or not, is finally showing flashes. what's important here? if it's TD's development, then despite d'antoni's best efforts to sabotage him, he seems to be doing ok. [/sarcastic douchey-ness]

don't u think if his concern was in not creating rifts in the locker room, that he shouldn't have played favorites with certain vets that were clearly struggling all year tho? did it serve us any good to jerk around veterans like Nate & Hughes & ignore our rooks the way he did this year in trying to build team chemistry? i don't think the way he managed that situation helped at all... in fact, i think a large portion of the season was lost when guys stopped putting forth any effort after he had lost the team... at that point, playing the rooks would have been his only fallback option, but he stubbornly resisted tooth & nail until even Sergio Rodriguez proved to be another busted option at the PG position & Jordan Hill was long gone... playing TD was pretty much his last option that he begrudgingly put into the starting lineup & he pretty much proved right off the bat that he was the best option all along... to me, all these factors are black marks on MDA's eye for talent, lack of foresight & tact, & a general inflexibility to adjust on the fly.

i don't think he's intentionally causing rifts here. remember, there's more than just d'antoni in the equation. this is a group of human beings and when dealing with groups of people, especially sports teams, things are not always harmonious. factor in that the team is losing. there is no clear player leading the pack. he didn't do himself favors, but i'm not sure there was a magic way to get these guys to all be happy in lieu of winning. as far as the guys who stopped giving effort, there's no excuse for that. i can never side with a player who stops giving effort. that is not a winning player and guys like that don't deserve the privilege of being pro athletes. i don't care how bad coach hurt your feelings. sure looks like playing TD was a last resort, but TD wouldn't be the first rookie PG that was brought along slowly by his coach. apparently it's one of the tougher positions to pick up. i think his stubbornness is to blame for some of his mismanagement, but i can't be too upset about that. a few years ago we were up in arms over larry brown and his record breaking lineup changes. i really believe that in this context sometimes there's nothing you can do. i hope that the players that will be returning next year are really learning the ins and outs of the system and that the continuity serves to provide a solid foundation for a revamped squad next season.

i completely agree we are lacking a real leader on this team & that is a hardship... coaches usually challenge their best players to take on that leadership roles on their teams... maybe D Lee doesn't have it in him to be that leader? i used to think he would make the perfect candidate to take on that role, but it's hard to tell your teammates to play tougher defense when you're not playing any yourself... this summer our main target needs to be on a guy that can take on that mantle of leadership... Lebron obviously is the #1 target, but if we miss out on him we should seriously consider someone like Manu G IMO.

yeah, i don't see lee as a leader type after this season. can't blame him completely, he hasn't exactly been exposed to the best player leadership since he arrived. anyway, i don't know why i've taken on the role as anti-mda counterpoint specialist (notice: i did not say mda-supporter). i really just think i feel so burnt by all the coaching changes we've had, that i'd be advocating to retain just about anybody. sure, d'antoni's resume with the suns leaves me hopeful that he'll help recreate a new and improved version of that team, but more than anything, i just feel like it's about time we stay the course for once. if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. we have tried everything but this. somethings bound to work eventually.

good talk bro. i don't think i can go any further without a break. you make a lot of good points. d'antoni has a lot to prove. let's hope he's learning from his mistakes. otherwise, it's just gonna be more misery for us die-hards.

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3/23/2010  7:27 PM
just so we're clear i don't think MDA is doing what he's doing to intentionally sabotage the team & create controversey... i just think he's gone about things the wrong way with the best of intentions but the wrong way nonetheless & i think he should be held accountable for the decisions he's made.

anyway, good back & forth on this topic as always bro... i hope he justifies all the faith that people have put into him next year, that's all i can say for now... otherwise he needs to be shown the door... i can't sit through another season of this, it's time to see some real tangible results... we've been waiting long enough.

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3/24/2010  1:26 AM
Well said and good post TMS
MDA is way out of line with his "D'Antoni: 'I don't like to play bad rookies'"

That is nonsense coming from boss of his players (former)
I dont blame JHill for giving it right back to the inconsistent and overrated MDA (overrated this season only)

Please the people on board whom can say we dont know this or that about poor attitudes and how MDA knows player
give me a darn break please ! Stale argurment
What about the poor attitudes of coach MDA ? what the heck/hell has he done ? beside bench a working N.Robinson
whom came into gym with effort and workouts while in exile for nearly 4-5 weeks by this As_bin of a coach with ego.

Shoots
MDA is lucky Donnie Walsh is on his side,
Larry Brown and Lenny Wilkens got far far more buried in this town and we knew how they were on rookies
but they did things the right way and got kicked out, they had reputations and better luck at winning titles
cause they accomplished more than MDA.

Like I said MDA gets free pass this yr and even this summer, next season
is different. We'll see how this guy adjusts. MDA had no right to thrash J.Hill as "Bad Rookie"
and also slap in face of Walsh pick who is performing in Houston.

You leave it up to D'Antoni he'll have Raja Bell, Eddie House starting in backcourt 2010/11 with no big man
interests in sight for MDA. There MDA will perhaps take another shot at breaking comments on Walsh players
selection, as if J.Bender being added to roster wasnt any MDA doing he had feedbacks.

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