This is different in one significant way. We are not getting back long-term contracts.

Depends on who we sign in the offseason. This trade pressures us to sign someone in 2010, so if the big 3 are gone, we're now left scrambling trying to sign mid-tier allstars to the max, just so we don't end up giving up top 5 picks.

sebstar wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

sebstar wrote:

Juice wrote:

sebstar wrote:Look at this optimistically:

We now can sign two max free agents, obviously.

If T-Mac can get back to 75% of what he once was, we have a legit All-Star. Shyt, he's had enough rest LOL.

If S-Rod is who ya'll have been saying he is for the past three years around here, then we've finally got a point guard.

We were going nowhere as a franchise. Now we just need to have the basketball Gods on our side. There is no reward without risk!

Our Options(Choose 1) with $34mil in cap space approximately

You can sign 2 Max Free Agents which will eat up all the Cap Space

You can use T-Mac and Sergio along with Lee in S&T's because all will command salaries above say $3mil/yr

You can re-sign T-Mac and Sergio along with 1 Max

You can re-sign T-Mac and Sergio along with Lee plus another moderate Free Agent

You can re-sign Lee and Sergio along with 1 Max plus a small Free Agent

We can sign two max free agents and re-sign Lee, McGrady and S-Rod.

Not with the caphold we can't.

what the hell is a caphold? I thought teams could re-sign their own free agents?

caphold is the amount a player's salary counts against the cap, even when they become free-agents.

it's based on a % of a players' previous salary, which has to do with what kind of free agent are they, and how much money they made before.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q30

we HAVE to renounce the rights to get rid of the capholds for all of our players that become FA's if we want to use all of our cap space.

scoshin wrote:

This is different in one significant way. We are not getting back long-term contracts.

Depends on who we sign in the offseason. This trade pressures us to sign someone in 2010, so if the big 3 are gone, we're now left scrambling trying to sign mid-tier allstars to the max, just so we don't end up giving up top 5 picks.

Nothing says we have to sign these mid-tier stars to multiyear deals. Just build a hardworking team. Look who Houston has... they got a bunch of nobodies working for a playoff spot.

tkf wrote:LOL.. SEE YOU GUYS in 2011 and 2012... we are going to need some group counseling then.... the NY knick suicide rate will be very high..

we probablly wont have to wait that long..in a few months when stern reads the 2010 #1 pick goes to the utah jazz via ny knicks we'll lose alot of knick fans then

kam77 wrote:We still can't yet sign 2 FAs to Max contracts. We're about 1.5 mil shy.

eddy curry buyout difference this summer!

i hope...

PresIke wrote:

kam77 wrote:We still can't yet sign 2 FAs to Max contracts. We're about 1.5 mil shy.

eddy curry buyout difference this summer!

i hope...

ONe would think the Knicks had to have run those numbers already. They've got to be in a position for 2 max....

PresIke wrote:

sebstar wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

sebstar wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

sebstar wrote:

Juice wrote:

sebstar wrote:Look at this optimistically:

We now can sign two max free agents, obviously.

If T-Mac can get back to 75% of what he once was, we have a legit All-Star. Shyt, he's had enough rest LOL.

If S-Rod is who ya'll have been saying he is for the past three years around here, then we've finally got a point guard.

We were going nowhere as a franchise. Now we just need to have the basketball Gods on our side. There is no reward without risk!

Our Options(Choose 1) with $34mil in cap space approximately

You can sign 2 Max Free Agents which will eat up all the Cap Space

You can use T-Mac and Sergio along with Lee in S&T's because all will command salaries above say $3mil/yr

You can re-sign T-Mac and Sergio along with 1 Max

You can re-sign T-Mac and Sergio along with Lee plus another moderate Free Agent

You can re-sign Lee and Sergio along with 1 Max plus a small Free Agent

We can sign two max free agents and re-sign Lee, McGrady and S-Rod.

Not with the caphold we can't.

what the hell is a caphold? I thought teams could re-sign their own free agents?

It's extremely hard to fathom, but basically, it goes like this... Lees salary, plus a certain percentage of it (same with tmacs and srods) will go against our salary cap. So what happens? We'd have to give them up in order to have the room to sign two max players. Then after we sign them (If we did sign them) we wouldn't have their Bird Rights anymore, so we wouldn't have anymore capspace to actually sign them. It sucks ars and is a real stupid rule.

Damn...shyt makes no sense and is confusing as hell, but thanks for tryin to clear that up.

Thats wack, I thought we had Bird rights. Definitely diminishes this trade to me, a lil'

we DO have lee's bird rights, BUT, if we renounce him...

which we will have to do if we want two new FA's...

then we lose those rights.

BUT, with Lee, McGrady, Harrington, etc....

but especially with the last two i listed, given that they may not expect to get paid THAT much (i.e. more than what they're making now, which lee surely expects)...

we could renounce them, and if they want to stay, we could still re-sign them.

btw, the rule is not stupid, it's meant to prevent exactly what some want...

this is from larry coon's cap faq:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q31

It closes another loophole. Teams otherwise would be able to sign other teams' free agents using their cap room, and then turn their attention to their own free agents using the Bird exceptions. This rule restricts their ability to do that.

in other words, it's meant to prevent teams from just stockpiling ending deals to take advantage of capspace + the bird rights of their roster of fa's, a little bit...it's not perfect btw:

It doesn't close this loophole completely -- for example, in 2005 Michael Redd's free agent amount was $6 million, even though the Bucks intended to re-sign him for the maximum salary. By waiting to sign Redd last, the Bucks were able to take advantage of the difference by signing Bobby Simmons. Had they signed Redd first, they would have had no cap room to sign Simmons.

For sure. Makes more sense, I think. Its all semantics I guess. Just renounce Lee, T-Mac and then tell then they will re-sign them after we get the max guys. Its not like they will be in hot demand.

Its all about their desire to stay here. Just gotta go through a few hoops.

PresIke wrote:one other possibility...

Lebron Max
Lee 10 mil
Tmac 6 mil

Lebron isnt signing until our roster is set.

At the end of the day Bosh, Wade, Johnson, and other FA's will do what is best for them and their family. If Atlanta throws that 6th year in who knows what might happen.

Too many variables right now make this deal ultra risky.

If we get 2 max guys our bench will be non-existent.

"If the deal does work, the Knicks have basically traded Jordan Hill and a pick in the late 20s during the 2012 draft (no 2011 swap) for LeBron James and another superstar."

All the whiners please STFU and give Donnie the chance he deserves - he never promised a winning team this year, it's always been all about summer of 2010.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

PresIke wrote:one other possibility...

Lebron Max
Lee 10 mil
Tmac 6 mil

I'm ok with that over paying Amare or Boozer. Nice plan B if Lebron can't recruit Bosh. Although I think if we sign LBJ Bosh will come over in a heartbeat. And Curry is coming off the books. Hopefully Hou gets nothing for 2012 pick. some scrub who is out of the league after his rook contract.
and jordan hill sucks.

whew

i'm not.