sebstar wrote:

And how confident are you that we'll be able to sign those stars? Walsh's strategy might have more of an assumed risk than Zeke's. You have to protect yourself and have a back of plan. This is a gamble, just like Isiah's strategy was a gamble. You're fooling yourself if you try to claim otherwise.

How confident are you that Jordan Hill will be a solid starting Center, David Lee will start playing Defense, Gallo will grow into a spectacular player, Chandler will continue to shine, and we'll grab a franchise point guard with the 2011 or 2012 pick?

Staying the course is a ticket to continued mediocrity. Taking a big gamble today and dumping the remaining bad salary could give us rewards so much greater than staying the course.

Besides, people harp on these picks so much, the 2011 would be a swap and not much of one if at all, and the 2012 won't be that great either. Why? Because you guys speak on the picks like you expect both to be top 5 lotto selections and yield franchise talent.

I'm willing to bet that if we strike out this summer we will still sign a couple of lower tier players and be just good enough to see ourselves picking at no better than 8-10 again in 2011 and 2012.

Talk about a crapshoot!

What if we draft another Jordan Hill and Chandler? Have Lee taking up 12M... Then what!? Then we're SCREWED ANYWAY.

So you know what? You take the risk. And if it doesn't pan out you want to know what the difference is between this risk and Isiah's pick trading risks?

This risk doesn't back us into gigantic long term contracts that ensure you will stink for the next five year.

It still leaves an incredible amount of flexibility to go a different route.

I find it incredible that some fans are so hung up on Jordan Hill who is TRASH and a 2011 SWAP and a 2012 pick that they want NO CHANCE to sign top level free agents this summer.

I mean, that to me is just insane. You'd rather have Hill than Bosh. You'd rather have a 2011 unknown pick than LeBron. You'd rather keep Jared Jeffries... and keep on signing Benders and Robersons because that's all you can do.

I mean, really? 'Cause that is what it boils down to.

I would think after all this mediocrity that EVERY fan would be ALL IN on 2010 and rabid to get it done no matter the cost.

sebstar wrote:I'm not adverse to taking risks, Cosmic but you have to understand that this was the exact same sentiment that led us to the Eddy Curry situation. If this trade goes down as advertised, then thats four straight years without a draft pick. That gives us very little wiggle room.

There is something to be said for saving those assets (draft picks and Jeffries and Curry's expiring) rather than boxing ourselves into a rail for 2010.

That said, the real issue is the fact that Jordan Hill seems to have such a low ceiling. That botched pick has had an obvious domino effect. With Jennings here, we would be in a much better bargaining position and not feel an overwhelming need to panic.

how is it 4 years? we swap picks next year and lose our pick in 2012.

Infamous wrote:

sebstar wrote:I'm not adverse to taking risks, Cosmic but you have to understand that this was the exact same sentiment that led us to the Eddy Curry situation. If this trade goes down as advertised, then thats four straight years without a draft pick. That gives us very little wiggle room.

There is something to be said for saving those assets (draft picks and Jeffries and Curry's expiring) rather than boxing ourselves into a rail for 2010.

That said, the real issue is the fact that Jordan Hill seems to have such a low ceiling. That botched pick has had an obvious domino effect. With Jennings here, we would be in a much better bargaining position and not feel an overwhelming need to panic.

how is it 4 years? we swap picks next year and lose our pick in 2012.

2009 - jordan hill gone, maybe
2010 - marbury trade
2011 - swap, so we don't really lose all picks, but do lose ours
2012 - gonesy, maybe

nyk4ever wrote:

Infamous wrote:why is everybody sleeping on joe johnson? do people think his supporting cast is that good? al horford? mike bibby? josh smith is a good player but he cant shoot or create his own shot...crawfords good off the bench but nothing special...without joe johnson that team wins 20 games.

are you actually saying that al horford, mike bibby and josh smith is a bad supporting cast? come on bro.

don't forget jamal!

Berman just tweeted that the three team deal may include the same players but not the picks........this per Arn Tellem to Berman.

crzymdups wrote:

Infamous wrote:

sebstar wrote:I'm not adverse to taking risks, Cosmic but you have to understand that this was the exact same sentiment that led us to the Eddy Curry situation. If this trade goes down as advertised, then thats four straight years without a draft pick. That gives us very little wiggle room.

There is something to be said for saving those assets (draft picks and Jeffries and Curry's expiring) rather than boxing ourselves into a rail for 2010.

That said, the real issue is the fact that Jordan Hill seems to have such a low ceiling. That botched pick has had an obvious domino effect. With Jennings here, we would be in a much better bargaining position and not feel an overwhelming need to panic.

how is it 4 years? we swap picks next year and lose our pick in 2012.

2009 - jordan hill gone, maybe
2010 - marbury trade
2011 - swap, so we don't really lose all picks, but do lose ours
2012 - gonesy, maybe

My bad, you're right. Slight error. We would get Houston's pick in 2011 in a swap. But that could obviously prove disastrous if things dont work out for us.

But we wouldnt be able to take advantage of all of our owned picks reflected by our record for four straight years.

King1 wrote:If we are going to be great with all the max players we are getting why not get rid of a draft pick in the mid 20's to drop Jared.

B/c we don't know if we are getting a free agent. We need the protection.

Uptown wrote:

Juice wrote:Don is sleeping on this one. He'll wake up and read the story tomorrow no biggie.

So let me get this straight. Most were screaming that Walsh would be a moron if he included drafts picks, or that he shouldn't budge or hang up the phone, etc. Apparently Walsh didn't budge, so Houston may have moved on, and now Walsh is asleep. Priceless.

You noticed it too, 'eh?

nyk4ever wrote:

Infamous wrote:why is everybody sleeping on joe johnson? do people think his supporting cast is that good? al horford? mike bibby? josh smith is a good player but he cant shoot or create his own shot...crawfords good off the bench but nothing special...without joe johnson that team wins 20 games.

are you actually saying that al horford, mike bibby and josh smith is a bad supporting cast? come on bro.

its not bad, but its not great whatsoever. bibby is way past his prime, horford is a role playing PF and smith is just athletic. they have no legit post scorer and their bench stinks outside of crawford. team would never sniff the playoffs without JJ, people sleep on him cuz hes quiet and plays in ATL, hes the 3rd best SG in the league.