Childs2Dudley wrote:If the Knicks sign Wade and Bosh this summer, does this trade matter? This is a trade you really can't ridicule for the Knicks part until we see what plays out this summer. It's neither stupid nor brilliant. It's just a trade right now with ramifications that will change the face of the franchise for better or worse this summer. It's a wait and see approach. Personally if I was the Knicks, I'd like for them to take Curry instead in that type of deal.

We could trade Jeffries + Jordan Hill to some team for an expiring and not have to give up first round picks.

JayNYC wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

The Knicks and Rockets have designed the framework of a deal that would unload New York’s Jared Jeffries(notes), Jordan Hill(notes) and either Al Harrington(notes) or Larry Hughes(notes) for McGrady, Joey Dorsey(notes) and Brian Cook(notes).

As talks stood on Monday, the price of dumping the burdensome contract of Jeffries – who is owed $6.9 million next season – comes with the Knicks and Rockets exchanging 2011 first-round picks and the Knicks’ 2012 first-round choice going to Houston. New York also might include a 2010 second-round pick.

The Utah Jazz own the Knicks’ first-round pick in 2010.

The completion of the deal isn’t imminent, but sources involved in the discussions are increasingly confident that after months of back and forth, which intensified over All-Star weekend, an agreement is within reach. TNT’s David Aldridge first reported that talks between the teams had picked up.

McGrady, sources said, is excited about the possibility of joining the Knicks.

All I can say is WOWwwww.. I read this as well. At first thought.. swapping 1st rounders in 2011 doesnt seem so bad. Giving away a second pick in 2012??? Thats the question mark? All at the sake of trading Jeffries contract eh? THE ONLY WAY THIS TURNS OUT TO BE FAVORABLE FOR NYK IS: If TMac can resurrect his career avg 20ppg.. and we somehow are able to sign TWO MAX FREE AGENTS IN 2010.

that's almost as bad as the Eddy Curry trade... if we lose out on a bigname FA this summer than exchanging picks in 2011 could prove to be another death blow to our franchise... no way should they make this deal, i don't care if we can unload Fishlips AND Curry in the process.

Cosmic wrote:Alan Hahn reports that Mike D'Antoni is pushing Donnie Walsh to acquire Tracy McGrady, who has been exiled by the Rockets.

McGrady is coming off major knee surgery and is in the final season of his contract. D'Antoni would presumably assign ballhandling and playmaking duties to McGrady in an attempt to revive a Knicks team that has fallen out of the playoff race.

what a joke... he's trying to revive an already dead team to get back into the playoff race that's pretty much already OUT of reach? what happened to the develop the youth mantra? so we pass up on AI at the beginning of the year for peanuts because we wanted to develop the youth, but now that we're out of the playoff hunt because the team has pretty much packed it in this season by playing the vets, we're now looking to T-Mac as the savior to the season.

only in NY can such bitchassness be portrayed as genius.

The chance to move Jared and possibly sign two max players increases our chances of getting a top tier player to come here. Draft picks are nice if you think you're gonna be losing big, but in this case they don't expect to be a lottery team if they can add top tier talent.

Pharzeone wrote:

nixluva wrote:Are some of you guys not paying attention? Moving Jared is almost worth the cost, if we can add TWO MAX players that completely changes the team in a positive way. Actually with that much cap space we can make just about any trade to bring in talent too. Proven NBA winning talentis much better than the promise of maybe drafting some unproven college talent.

The chance to move Jared and possibly sign two max players increases our chances of getting a top tier player to come here. Draft picks are nice if you think you're gonna be losing big, but in this case they don't expect to be a lottery team if they can add top tier talent.

So you know that Donnie is going to add two max players this off season? I mean is has already been worked out right?

and you know he isn't?

This is one of those "all or nothing" trades. It takes balls. Is it stupid or smart? We wont know until July.

Childs2Dudley wrote:all i know is: This trade will define Walsh's tenure in NY, for better or worse. We will just have to wait and see.

if one doesn't learn from the same mistakes of the past, one is destined to repeat them... if you were guaranteed of getting Lebron & Bosh to come here this summer, then i'd say it's a no brainer, but there are no guarantees we can get either... exchanging what could be yet another lottery pick AND another future pick is just asking for disaster... it already sucks having to watch Utah pick up someone in the lottery this year with our pick w/the collection of talent that will be there for the taking... i have no interest in a repeat of that same scenario.

we can't mortgage our future on a pure guess about Lebron's intentions when he hasn't even made it known what he'll do this summer.

Childs2Dudley wrote:all i know is: This trade will define Walsh's tenure in NY, for better or worse. We will just have to wait and see.

I don't care about Walsh's legacy. I want my team to contend for a title. I thought Walsh was suppose to bring rational decision making to this organization, not try to outdo Isiah with the "Big Deal" scenarios. I mean what's plan b, plan c? If you don't sign your max free agents this off-season what are you taking into next off season to convince the next crop?

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:all i know is: This trade will define Walsh's tenure in NY, for better or worse. We will just have to wait and see.

if one doesn't learn from the same mistakes of the past, one is destined to repeat them... if you were guaranteed of getting Lebron & Bosh to come here this summer, then i'd say it's a no brainer, but there are no guarantees we can get either... exchanging what could be yet another lottery pick AND another future pick is just asking for disaster... it already sucks having to watch Utah pick up someone in the lottery this year with our pick w/the collection of talent that will be there for the taking... i have no interest in a repeat of that same scenario.

we can't mortgage our future on a pure guess about Lebron's intentions when he hasn't even made it known what he'll do this summer.

I refuse to believe this rumor. Some Yahoo guy trying to make a story splash on a NBA off day.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
Question for you guys:

Would you do this deal if instead of giving away picks we give them Gallo or Hill?

For me if it's a choice between standing pat and letting Jefferies expire vs. sacrificing picks in the hopes of signing Wade/Bosh or LBJ/Bosh this offseason...let's stay pat. If we do this trade and Cleveland gets Amare we're done anyway.

Way easier to get Wade to get Bosh to Miami then for BOTH to come to NYC>

From the quotes about the deal above, it's Hill AND picks, not just picks...

If McGrady plays well he will demand more money. What is the point here? Can't we get rid of Jeffries a bit easier?

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:UGH. just heard a rumor that involves us giving up what IMHO is WAY WAY WAY too much to get rid of jefferies...more details to come

he New York Knicks are getting closer to reaching the Houston Rockets’ demands for Tracy McGrady(notes) and his $23 million expiring contract, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Knicks and Rockets have designed the framework of a deal that would unload New York’s Jared Jeffries(notes), Jordan Hill(notes) and either Al Harrington(notes) or Larry Hughes(notes) for McGrady, Joey Dorsey(notes) and Brian Cook(notes).

As talks stood on Monday, the price of dumping the burdensome contract of Jeffries – who is owed $6.9 million next season – comes with the Knicks and Rockets exchanging 2011 first-round picks and the Knicks’ 2012 first-round choice going to Houston. New York also might include a 2010 second-round pick.

The Utah Jazz own the Knicks’ first-round pick in 2010.

The completion of the deal isn’t imminent, but sources involved in the discussions are increasingly confident that after months of back and forth, which intensified over All-Star weekend, an agreement is within reach. TNT’s David Aldridge first reported that talks between the teams had picked up.

One of the hang-ups in the deal, sources said, could be the Knicks’ inclusion of either Harrington or Hughes. There are slight variations of the trade that would change depending on which of the two veteran Knicks’ expiring contracts are included. With Harrington over Hughes in the deal, the Rockets wouldn’t need to include Cook.

For the Knicks, the trade would accomplish two important things: First, it would get Jeffries’ salary cleared out, something general manager Donnie Walsh has tried to do since taking the job. This would give the Knicks even more flexibility to be a major player in this summer’s free-agent market. Also, the Knicks want to take a good look at McGrady and let him play as much of a role as he can handle the rest of the season. They may consider re-signing him for next season, based on his performance.

Rockets GM Daryl Morey would get Hill, the untested eighth pick in the 2009 draft, and first-round picks that could prove valuable. This will get the Rockets a significant measure of value for McGrady, who they exiled in December. McGrady, sources said, is excited about the possibility of joining the Knicks.

Oh my God--were going to get absolutely fcked again.