Pharzeone wrote:

technomaster wrote:Gallo's unique attributes make management gaga over his potential. Wilson Chandler fits the mold of a typical wing - not to say he's really dime a dozen, because I think he could evolve into a top 10-15 starting SF in the NBA. But you can replace him relatively easily with say, let's say a DL player like James White, and not lose too much.

Gallo's potentially a game changer. He's not a prototypical anything - he's a living, breathing, matchup problem that we can only hope continues to expand his game. But as he is today, he's already more of a player than Tim Thomas ever will be and could/should eclipse what Rashard Lewis is in the near future.

This is where the hype loses credibility. 6'10" 3 point shooters that can drive are not new.
1) KVH
2) Charlie V.
3) Jamison
4) Dirk
5) Lewis
6) Harrington
7) Hedo
8) Walker
9) Dunleavy

And that's off the top of my head. He's on your team and he is new but come on.

well I don't think most of those guys are 6'10, and gallo is close to 6'11. But one thing I noticed is gallo's potential to be more of a defensive player. on this list, dirk and CV are the only one's who displayed some sort of shot blocking ability... gallo is already at 40 blocks for the season and that is more than some of these guys ever had in a year.... plus when you take his 3pt shooting % into account, you are dealing with a player who has some realy good skills... a lot of these guys could shoot from deep, but most of them on this list shoot in the 30% range... again with the exception of maybe lewis who is at 40% last time I checked I think..

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Pharzeone wrote:Real reason why. Isiah drafted Chandler and Walsh drafted Gallinari. Never understood it myself except for that reason. I keep hearing about high IQ and superior skills but I don't see it other than hitting the 3 pointer don't know what advantage he has. He doesn't use his height well in the post, he seems to have real problems taking guys off the dribble, is not very creative despite the fact you keep hearing about ball handling skills that don't materialize, dribbles far too high and is too slow to be effective against wing men. I do believe there is also deeper issues between the two of them just look at Cosmic's post. He maybe the most over hyped player in NY. Once you get out of NY it is not quite the same. They break down his game truthfully.

I am not so sure I agree with you there completely. I usually go around to other boards on realgm and other teams and fans think highly of gallo. I can tell you this. the fans in minny would gladly trade the rights to rubio for gallo.. but they think chandler is trash.. I am being for real..

As far as gallo's handle. they are good man, he is not allen iverson with the ball, but he is effective. he gets to the hoop and notice how often he is fouled dribbling on his drives. He takes long strides and he can go either way with the ball, can go left dribbling just as good as he does going right.. that is not common for big men, not common for most players to be honest..

when we talk about IQ, I think about him making the right plays at the right time.. watch some of the passes he gives lee and jeffries on the pick and roll.. knowing what type of pass, and angle is important. He seems to just get it... watch the way he dupes guys into fouling him on the perimeter.. again, the kid plays with a level of smarts beyond his years.. not to say he doesn't have flaws, but it seems as if some people are taking his flaws and using it to mitigate his overall skillset as if he will never overcome those flaws..

I am talking about non-fans. No disrespect to the realgm board but from what I seen most of those guys sound like they started watching ball about 10 years ago, so I'm not surprise. His handle is good when standing still but on the move it becomes very suspect which is normally when he gets into trouble and gets his turnovers. Also, fouls calls is subjective. He tends to flop on contact which is why he seldom finishes with an and 1 call. I'm sorry but can we stop talking about his passing. He is averaging less assist than Chandler's. I think you guys want to see things because of where this organization has been. I don't want to get into this again but I don't see anything that would make me say his IQ is any higher than the majority of players on this team. He tends to make the some dumb plays just like all them. Unforced turnovers, questionable fouls and etc.

nah, man, for real and no offense as well.. there are some cats on realGM who could match or blow away anyone I know on either site when it comes to ball knowledge.. that is a very diverse group on realgm.. from doctors, to lawyers, to accountants, to college students... these guys are huge ball fans.. if you sift through the "kids" on realgm, there are a lot of smart posters there..

I'm not saying all the posters but the majority of posters. Actually the posters that I used to like on there normally get banned. Some of those boards should just shut down. The Lakers board is a joke. I see more hip hop related items on the board than basketball except Kobe vs. Lebron breakdowns.

yea, some of those boards are odd, but you see where the huge basketball fans are.. toronto, chicago, NY are usually the hottest boards.. minny is suprisingly active..

You run a good ship over there. Diverse group of guys with diverse thoughts. Chicago board is pretty good. New Orleans board is a joke. Two years ago very active but now barren.

thanks man.. we try, but our board is very active and a target for trolls..it requires a lot of patience and us mods sure are tested... One thing I like about this site is that most of the posters here are of a mature crowd.. not much of the bS going on here..

Pharzeone wrote:

tkf wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

technomaster wrote:Gallo's unique attributes make management gaga over his potential. Wilson Chandler fits the mold of a typical wing - not to say he's really dime a dozen, because I think he could evolve into a top 10-15 starting SF in the NBA. But you can replace him relatively easily with say, let's say a DL player like James White, and not lose too much.

Gallo's potentially a game changer. He's not a prototypical anything - he's a living, breathing, matchup problem that we can only hope continues to expand his game. But as he is today, he's already more of a player than Tim Thomas ever will be and could/should eclipse what Rashard Lewis is in the near future.

This is where the hype loses credibility. 6'10" 3 point shooters that can drive are not new.
1) KVH
2) Charlie V.
3) Jamison
4) Dirk
5) Lewis
6) Harrington
7) Hedo
8) Walker
9) Dunleavy

And that's off the top of my head. He's on your team and he is new but come on.

well I don't think most of those guys are 6'10, and gallo is close to 6'11. But one thing I noticed is gallo's potential to be more of a defensive player. on this list, dirk and CV are the only one's who displayed some sort of shot blocking ability... gallo is already at 40 blocks for the season and that is more than some of these guys ever had in a year.... plus when you take his 3pt shooting % into account, you are dealing with a player who has some realy good skills... a lot of these guys could shoot from deep, but most of them on this list shoot in the 30% range... again with the exception of maybe lewis who is at 40% last time I checked I think..

To me that has been Gallo's most impressive feat this season. While not great more than I expected. Better than someone else, not going to say any names.

no, gallo is not a great shotblocker, but when you look at his numbers compared to a lot of guys on that list, he has a chance to distinguish himself on both sides of the ball, especially with his shooting from deep..... not saying he is doing anything spectacular, but definately has the chance to be much more than ordinary..

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holfresh wrote:
What amazes me on this board is that most here hasn't seen any Knick drafted and grow into a legit NBA player...U would think that any player showing promise they would covet...No.. I can't understand many here calling for Chandler to be traded when we have nothing to replace him with...Right now he is the second best player on the team behind Lee on a 30/35 win team...

That's how it goes. Grass is always greener. Meanwhile, you have Hornet fans cursing out guys like Wright.

if the grass we're talking about is Ricky Rubio, then yeah i'd go for the greener looking grass... & i love Wilson, he's my favorite Knick by far, but gotta think about what's best for our franchise.

nixluva wrote:Look Gallo is taller, has a better natural stroke, better passer and better BB IQ. It's easy to see his game expanding from where he is. Chan is already a physical specimen and it's doubtful he'll go up from here, whereas Gallo is still growing into his frame and can easily get a lot stronger and more explosive. Thus the upside people feel Gallo has is greater.

He is 21, Nix. I know you really buy into Walsh's press clips. But I am sure you are familiar with biology. He is not going to grow despite what MSG puts out. He may get stronger but that only means he will lose any "explosive" ability that he currently has with of course age. I know I am breaking the cardinal rule around here but I do question his natural ability potential. As far as passing, he has to prove it because assist numbers never back it up. I mean a lot of stuff is thrown out about him but it doesn't translate in game like TMS pointed out. He can shoot the spot up three pointer but struggles off the dribble with his shot. I mean am I wrong when I look at the fact he shoots 40% from downtown but his FG% is only 42%? He is slower than advertise too for the 3 spot. I also love how Chandler is made to sound like he is old man already when he is about a year older than Gallo. It's just funny that's all.

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Chandler is dumb as bricks??????
Chandler has peaked?????
Chandler is lazy????
Chandler tries to get his???

I kept reading waiting for the punchline but there was none....

For your guide, its been said that Chandler is the hardest working player on the Knicks in terms of working on his game...

I'm stunned...

Dumb - Yes. Steps out of bounds a lot, forces bad passes, takes deep shots when he can drive, drives when he can take a deep shot.
Peaked - Yes. Chandler is doing what he's done since he was drafted. He is not showing any actual new skill nor has he gotten significantly better at anything he already does. He will improve with experience but it will be marginal.
Lazy - Yes. Falls into grooves of chucking from deep for games at a time.
Get His - Yes. When Al and Nate are heaving shot after shot when he finally gets the ball he chucks it up as fast as he can.

GALLO:

Smart.
Hasn't peaked.
Never lazy.
Never tries to get his.

Therein lies my opinion that you keep Gallo and pack Chandler's bags. Which is the topic of the thread.

Pharzeone wrote:Real reason why. Isiah drafted Chandler and Walsh drafted Gallinari. Never understood it myself except for that reason. I keep hearing about high IQ and superior skills but I don't see it other than hitting the 3 pointer don't know what advantage he has. He doesn't use his height well in the post, he seems to have real problems taking guys off the dribble, is not very creative despite the fact you keep hearing about ball handling skills that don't materialize, dribbles far too high and is too slow to be effective against wing men. I do believe there is also deeper issues between the two of them just look at Cosmic's post. He maybe the most over hyped player in NY. Once you get out of NY it is not quite the same. They break down his game truthfully.

Word. Guys like to go on and on about what they HOPE Gallinari is and rarely talk about what he actually does (Like you did.) You forgot to add Gallinari is a poor rebounder and a poor man-to-man defensive player, but on the upside he is an okay shot blocker.

oohah

Personally I don't write him off as just an outside shooter because I've seen the rest of his game. My question is when if ever does he stop wasting minutes on the court and impact the action?

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Marv wrote:So gallo's disappearing acts and ineffectiveness on the court are going to be rationalized for how long? Would someone care to put out an end date when the youth excuse expires for him?

As soon as there is another savior to fixate on.

oohah

It's pathetic Knick fans have to over exaggerate Chandler's lack of IQ and accentuate Gallo's in efforts to give him the edge he as being potentially more superior over him.