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EnySpree
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2/10/2010  10:35 PM
I think the knicks look at t-mac as that second star player. its a risk but a risk that regardless is gonna produce a high calibur starter at the 2 guard spot. The Knicks still would have money to lure or absorb whoever else they want.

Adding t-mac is a huge piece to the puzzle. Keep in mind t-mac is a luxury for Houston. He's not playing cuz the team has such a huge chemistry. Knicks don't have a Guy like tmac.

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2/10/2010  11:46 PM
EnySpree wrote:I think the knicks look at t-mac as that second star player. its a risk but a risk that regardless is gonna produce a high calibur starter at the 2 guard spot. The Knicks still would have money to lure or absorb whoever else they want.

Adding t-mac is a huge piece to the puzzle. Keep in mind t-mac is a luxury for Houston. He's not playing cuz the team has such a huge chemistry. Knicks don't have a Guy like tmac.

most likely the case.

but then what of chandler and gallo?

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2/11/2010  12:01 AM
McGrady is a big name we can use to sell more tickets until the end of this year. Im a big McGrady fan and I know that he is shadow of his former self. Even though he is old he is still better than Harrington. Plus he can mentor Chandler and be our "Grant Hill" type.
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2/11/2010  12:44 AM
AnubisADL wrote:McGrady is a big name we can use to sell more tickets until the end of this year. Im a big McGrady fan and I know that he is shadow of his former self. Even though he is old he is still better than Harrington. Plus he can mentor Chandler and be our "Grant Hill" type.

TMac has fallen off more due to the injuries than just being old. If he's pain free I still believe he's a force in this league. The hope has to be that the time off has allowed his body to heal and he can get back to being TMac. Just remember that the guy put up. 20+ and 6 Asts the 2 years before he had to shut it down last year. He was of course always hurt. It may have been a blessing in disguise to be forced to shut it down. Sometimes players keep pushing thru and it's not to their advantage. He probably should've taken a year off to fully heal instead of coming back too soon every year and trying to play thru the pain.

I wish we could get inside info on how TMac looked during DW's visit. My guess is that if we try to get him he looked real good.

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2/11/2010  1:05 AM
I guess I would be into something that moves Harrington for TMac. I don't really get how the numbers work out. JJ would be the obvious filler for us. I would not be willing to lose any of Chandler, Hill, Lee, Gallo, or any picks to make it happen. I'd be willing to give Al and Larry. If they insist on TD I would give him as a last resort, and only if Tmac looks solid in Chicago workouts AND we get back a filler PG for this season.

This trade may very well happen. At least it will make the remainder of this season more interesting than watching Al's chucking and charges at the end of games and Larry brooding on the bench.

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2/11/2010  2:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2010  2:15 AM
nixluva wrote:TMac has had a lot of Knee and Back pain and it seems to be chronic. Maybe the time off has allowed him to get healthy maybe not, still it's worth a look see. You give him a try and see how it goes. maybe you catch lightning in a bottle. Remember how many years Grant Hill was languishing in injury hell and then he was able to get back on the court and really help teams. How about Antontio McDyess or Marcus Camby. Sometimes you catch a good player at the right time. So I have no problem taking a chance on TMac.

If he's healthy he can help this team with his scoring and passing. Guy was good for 20/5 if his knees and back weren't completely shutting him down. Most of the time he was playing in some kind of pain and still delivered. It's a free tryout so who cares. Now if we can somehow move Jared too, then it's all good.

Or, like, Eddy Curry! There's another example of a guy that's been able to turn his career around!

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2/11/2010  3:57 AM
Where there is smoke there is fire....if Donnie is not interested he has shown in the past that he will make a statement to let us fans know where he stands on the issue....I know we also wanted Iverson too and Donnie made the right call on that one....I just hope he gets McGrady and that also ends up being the right decision.
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2/11/2010  4:04 AM
djsunyc wrote:
EnySpree wrote:I think the knicks look at t-mac as that second star player. its a risk but a risk that regardless is gonna produce a high calibur starter at the 2 guard spot. The Knicks still would have money to lure or absorb whoever else they want.

Adding t-mac is a huge piece to the puzzle. Keep in mind t-mac is a luxury for Houston. He's not playing cuz the team has such a huge chemistry. Knicks don't have a Guy like tmac.

most likely the case.

but then what of chandler and gallo?

Right now Gallo is the small fwd and Chandler is acting as a shooting guard, though he's probably a natural small fwd also. T-Mac is a little of both as well, though.

There was talk that D'antoni and Donnie see's Gallo as a 4 eventually. That's retarded since they have David Lee. They can't expect to win anything with David continuing to play center...even if they do, you could slide Chandler back to his natural 3 spot....

So you got:
PF:Gallo
SF:Wilson
C :Lee
PG:???
SG:T-mac

D'antoni likes a tight 8 man rotation where 7 guys get 30 plus minutes a game....so you never know how he'd mix it up

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2/11/2010  9:01 AM
JayNYC wrote:Here's my guess:

Houston Trades: Tracy McGrady and Kyle Lowry
Houston Rec's: Caron Butler (SG/SF), Brendan Haywood (C), and Mike James (pg)

Washington Trades: Caron Butler, Brendan Haywood, and Mike James
Washington Rec's: Al Harrington (sf/pf), Larry Hughes (sg) Fut 1st rd pick via Houston

Knicks Trade: Al Harrington, Larry Hughes and cash
Knicks Rec: Tracy McGrady (SG) and Kyle Lowry (pg)

How Likely is this trade, in your opinion??

Would love to get Lowry. He is a good young pg. He can't shoot, but he will drive to the hole and he will bring a defensive intensity that we have been missing. Definitely upgrade over Duhon. I would be happy going into next season with Lowry and Douglas as our point guards.

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2/11/2010  9:03 AM
JayNYC wrote:So now there is a fire sale in Washington? I dont know... Cant see why they trade Jamison, Butler, Miller, Haywood, Mike James and keep Gilbert?

I think some of us are sippin the kool aid

Michael Lee of the Washington Post is reporting that the asking price on Jamison is turning some teams off and really painting a picture that Wizards' president Ernie Grunfeld is unwilling to part with one of his favorite players. Jamison is viewed by the team as their best leader and best fan friendly player and with everything that's gone on in Washington there just isn't a willingness to move him unless it returns substantial value.

Yeah, if I were them, I would look to trade Arenas for caproom and trade Jamison for a young player and build the team around Butler, Foye, Young, and Haywood.

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2/11/2010  9:08 AM
To me, if you're thinking of McGrady as a long term answer than that signals that the more realistic offseason targets might be Bosh or Amare.
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2/11/2010  11:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/11/2010  4:46 PM
VDesai wrote:To me, if you're thinking of McGrady as a long term answer than that signals that the more realistic offseason targets might be Bosh or Amare.

Long term answer? Sure, if we were in the business of running physical rehab centers. He's a rental plus maybe an MLE next season, with a team option for year two. Sheesh, the guy has a bad back and cranky knees. ANd he's heading for his mid thirties.

from RealGM:
The Rockets have not been allowing representatives from other teams watch Tracy McGrady's private workouts.

Even though they have been discussing a deal, McGrady could be bought out.

If McGrady becomes a free agent, the Knicks are first on his list of where to sign for the remainder of the season, according to a source close to him.

Maybe we will grab him for a vet minimum this season. Be nice to hold onto Al so that 1) he doesn't cry anymore about getting traded; and 2) When TMac hits the floor in agony and is done for the season we can re-insert Al.

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2/11/2010  1:31 PM
Tracy is 30. Will be 31 next season.

I don't know a thing about how his health other than the last two seasons he has been well rested and could be a support talent in the future. His days of carrying a franchise on his back are done but somtimes players lower the bar a bit and get healthy. Anyone think Grant Hill would be as durable the last few years?

McGrady should get with the Lakers and grab a ring but while no savior, he could be a nice player if the Lebron don't come.

Key is dumping JJ's salary in any trade.

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2/11/2010  2:10 PM
Nalod wrote:Tracy is 30. Will be 31 next season.

I don't know a thing about how his health other than the last two seasons he has been well rested and could be a support talent in the future. His days of carrying a franchise on his back are done but somtimes players lower the bar a bit and get healthy. Anyone think Grant Hill would be as durable the last few years?

McGrady should get with the Lakers and grab a ring but while no savior, he could be a nice player if the Lebron don't come.

Key is dumping JJ's salary in any trade.

I reiterate, if signing T-Mac to extension is the solution for Lebron not signing here then that is a problem because this guy is not looking for no mid-level exception. I hope Walsh is smarter than that.

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2/11/2010  2:22 PM
Nalod wrote:Tracy is 30. Will be 31 next season.

I don't know a thing about how his health other than the last two seasons he has been well rested and could be a support talent in the future. His days of carrying a franchise on his back are done but somtimes players lower the bar a bit and get healthy. Anyone think Grant Hill would be as durable the last few years?

McGrady should get with the Lakers and grab a ring but while no savior, he could be a nice player if the Lebron don't come.

Key is dumping JJ's salary in any trade.

good point... sort of reminds me of how ron harper extended his career playing Point for the bulls and lakers.. He wasn't the high flying athlete he once was, but became a steading force at guard for both teams, and a very solid defender.... I think T-mac has more gas in the tank... a lot more than harper did.. I just fear he will come here looking to promote his career and nothing else.. I just don't want another Al Harrington on offense..

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2/11/2010  2:28 PM
if gallo + chandler are (in theory) being developed as your 2 + 3 for the future so what role does tmac play?

no need to justify a move for mcgrady. that, imho, would be a departure from their plan and a sign of panic.

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2/11/2010  2:31 PM
Maybe we audition him for 30 games to see if he can do a better job than Duhon/Nate/Hughes running the point? If he does a good job, and if he's affordable, we re-sign him. If not, no harm done.
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2/11/2010  2:32 PM
Knicks are adept at getting these players--10 years and two knees too late
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2/11/2010  2:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/12/2010  11:00 AM
djsunyc wrote:if gallo + chandler are (in theory) being developed as your 2 + 3 for the future so what role does tmac play?

no need to justify a move for mcgrady. that, imho, would be a departure from their plan and a sign of panic.

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2/11/2010  2:36 PM
Earlier this year, I said if you sign Iverson, you could make a quick play for T-Mac and really contend for a playoff spot....

Likewise, my thinking hasn't changed. Getting McGrady at this point is useless and too little, too late. The only scenario where it makes sense to trade for T-Mac at this point is if we are able to unload Jeffries somehow in a 3-way deal.

But trading expirings for T-Mac doesn't really accomplish anything since we are essentially already out of the playoff race and we have no need for McGrady's bird rights with the enormous cap hold he will have.

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