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umynot
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1/19/2010  2:51 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:All I know is if the game is on the line. I want Gallo shooting it.

All this fighting on here yet this should be the point!!

Gallo in a short period of time has already proven to be clutch!!

Lee is doing his thing but Gallo is a sweeter long term option on both ends of the floor!!

FEED THE ROOSTER!!!

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1/19/2010  2:53 PM
umynot wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:All I know is if the game is on the line. I want Gallo shooting it.

All this fighting on here yet this should be the point!!

Gallo in a short period of time has already proven to be clutch!!

Lee is doing his thing but Gallo is a sweeter long term option on both ends of the floor!!

FEED THE ROOSTER!!!

really, it is not fighting.. Briggs is making no sense and he just won't admit he backed himself into a corner and he can't get out without admitting he was just wrong...

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1/19/2010  3:06 PM
Either way this is a blog .......

People will be right and wrong....

I think Briggs should give Gallo more props and stop hating no doubt but he and you are both entiled
to your opinions .........

I see what Briggs is saying how Gallo rushes a little too much early but I believe its due to not really
involving him more then him not producing...

We have too many players on our team who think they are soo good!! Like DUDU and AL and Nate and Chandler
and Lee that we seldom give Gallo the rock early in games....... If he does get the ball its usually on a bail
out with little time or in bad position.....

On a true rebuilding team we would feature Gallo no doubt!!...... He is by far our best offensive talent!!
And plays real good D!!

If we have been watching him play we should all be geeked out of minds with his skill set and mind set!!

Our best pick since Ewing hands down!!

KNICKS on the way UP!!!
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1/19/2010  3:17 PM
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tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:Briggs nobody will admit in the beginning of games Gallup's head is somewhere else, even in the big pressure matchup against his own countrymen Bargs of Toronto he came out the gate confused and his shot looked like do do.

This is the point many have tried to avoid.

playa, don't let me pull your card bro..LOL.... you are making no sense and honestly you are not helping briggs here at all.. I know you think you are, but you are not....

Terry plz pull my card(you're not ICE) LOL

I stand by my point, gallo head is not in the game early on, the pressure was on in Toronto and he didn't even come into the game prepared to play. Italy was watching for crying out loud !

so, 1 game is your proof? just sad..


He has done this in many games this year(lacking concentration) come on man keep it real . clank , clank bonk. ask Clyde Frazier HE WATCHES THE GAMES.

I am just asking for some proof.. right now you are just throwing stuff out there and hoping it sticks.. MAYBE like most players in the league he has come out and missed a few, and most likely has done this less than you think.. the problem here, is that you have your mind fixated on that.. It feeds your agenda, so I can see how you would have tunnel vision in this area.

Instead od asking other people for proof--why don't you do the homework youself--it's not that hard--go to ESPN and look at his first 5 shots per game on the play by play--roughly HALF of his average shots and its sitting in the MID 30's. That means he is shooting in the high 40% in the second half of games--which counts of course but how many times ahev we been down 15-20 points in the 40 games?
When I started my reply--I went to ERSPN to do the homeowork--the game counts when it's not out of hand--sure it's helpful to get back in it and there's been some games he just played well in--but the fact of the matter is he has NOT started off well when the game is close. That doesnt mean it cant change--but that isnt 8pulling stats out of the air or my arse or what have you--I just tell the truth as I see it. The bottom line is Gallo shoots MIG 30s on his first 5 shots for the year--go do the homework and come back to me and tell me that Im pulling it out of air. You've been the one with the big mouth and the attacks---it's funny because I have 13K posts and this was the first time I BET anyone anything--while Gallo probably has gotten some nice fat looks in the 2nd half due to other teasm laying down--to be fair hes been very good for the most part in those second halfs.

Ok briggs, I will play your game.. according to you, he is not shooting well when the game "counts" and is not out of hand.. Your definition of "out of hand" is ambiguous, but since you mentioned 15-20 points, I will go with that..although, I don't see how being down 15 points, even by halftime, is "out of hand".. but anyway.. LOL..

Knicks played 41 games so far, out of those 41 games the knicks have been down 15 or more points at the half only 10 times... that is roughly 25%. so according to your first 5 shot rule briggs, which gallo usually takes 5 shots before the half... he has been stat padding for just 25%.. can we assume the other 75% he has been scoring when it counted? Now to show you how flawed your comment was.. what about the games in which the knicks were blowing the other team out? was he stat padding then? or what about the game where they went down 15-20 by the half and he shot the ball well? or what about the games in which they were leading and got blown out late? did any of those count briggs? see how flawed your thinking is here.. pretty much can't prove your point without taking all of these things into account...

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1/19/2010  3:23 PM
umynot wrote:Either way this is a blog .......

People will be right and wrong....

I think Briggs should give Gallo more props and stop hating no doubt but he and you are both entiled
to your opinions .........

I see what Briggs is saying how Gallo rushes a little too much early but I believe its due to not really
involving him more then him not producing...

We have too many players on our team who think they are soo good!! Like DUDU and AL and Nate and Chandler
and Lee that we seldom give Gallo the rock early in games....... If he does get the ball its usually on a bail
out with little time or in bad position.....

On a true rebuilding team we would feature Gallo no doubt!!...... He is by far our best offensive talent!!
And plays real good D!!

If we have been watching him play we should all be geeked out of minds with his skill set and mind set!!

Our best pick since Ewing hands down!!


I agree with you.. but briggs is passing his opinion off as fact and if you don't agree then he will challenge you to a money bet...

If I make a claim that is so subjective, i should at least be able to reasonable back it up, and not try to pass it on as if it is a FACT and whoever dissagrees don't know what they are talking about..

briggs changed his criteria twice when he figured out he was wrong!

But I gree. so far, gallo is looking like a great pick.....

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1/19/2010  3:28 PM
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:Briggs nobody will admit in the beginning of games Gallup's head is somewhere else, even in the big pressure matchup against his own countrymen Bargs of Toronto he came out the gate confused and his shot looked like do do.

This is the point many have tried to avoid.

playa, don't let me pull your card bro..LOL.... you are making no sense and honestly you are not helping briggs here at all.. I know you think you are, but you are not....

Terry plz pull my card(you're not ICE) LOL

I stand by my point, gallo head is not in the game early on, the pressure was on in Toronto and he didn't even come into the game prepared to play. Italy was watching for crying out loud !

so, 1 game is your proof? just sad..


He has done this in many games this year(lacking concentration) come on man keep it real . clank , clank bonk. ask Clyde Frazier HE WATCHES THE GAMES.

I am just asking for some proof.. right now you are just throwing stuff out there and hoping it sticks.. MAYBE like most players in the league he has come out and missed a few, and most likely has done this less than you think.. the problem here, is that you have your mind fixated on that.. It feeds your agenda, so I can see how you would have tunnel vision in this area.

naw bro don't make this personal, lets just say he needs to come out of the gate focused and concentrate on knocking down shots consistently.

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1/19/2010  3:43 PM
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naw bro don't make this personal, lets just say he needs to come out of the gate focused and concentrate on knocking down shots consistently.

If Gallo was the PG i'd say that he was 100% in control of the pace that he starts games off at, but since we have a PG that truly only looks to pass to Lee for much of his assists, that means Gallo can't get a good feel to start games, unless he plays selfish like Al. Gallo is not going to just go "Lone Wolf", like Al. Actually that's our nickname for Al, we have a lot of fun mocking him, using a fake voice for Al, talking in third person about himself being the Lone Wolf. Anyway... I want to see what would happen if Gallo was used more to handle the ball in the halfcourt offense like he did in Europe.
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1/19/2010  3:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/19/2010  3:50 PM
playa2 wrote:
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:
tkf wrote:
playa2 wrote:Briggs nobody will admit in the beginning of games Gallup's head is somewhere else, even in the big pressure matchup against his own countrymen Bargs of Toronto he came out the gate confused and his shot looked like do do.

This is the point many have tried to avoid.

playa, don't let me pull your card bro..LOL.... you are making no sense and honestly you are not helping briggs here at all.. I know you think you are, but you are not....

Terry plz pull my card(you're not ICE) LOL

I stand by my point, gallo head is not in the game early on, the pressure was on in Toronto and he didn't even come into the game prepared to play. Italy was watching for crying out loud !

so, 1 game is your proof? just sad..


He has done this in many games this year(lacking concentration) come on man keep it real . clank , clank bonk. ask Clyde Frazier HE WATCHES THE GAMES.

I am just asking for some proof.. right now you are just throwing stuff out there and hoping it sticks.. MAYBE like most players in the league he has come out and missed a few, and most likely has done this less than you think.. the problem here, is that you have your mind fixated on that.. It feeds your agenda, so I can see how you would have tunnel vision in this area.

naw bro don't make this personal, lets just say he needs to come out of the gate focused and concentrate on knocking down shots consistently.

WHY should I say that.. Just to agree with you? come on... And making it personal? come on, get off that... there is nothing personal in what I posted... And playing well doesn't only mean he shoots 5-5, if he is passing, defending and making plays to start the game, i am down with that....

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TKF---The fact is Gallo is shooting 35.7% on his first 5 shots--that is not opinion that is fact. This thread started off as Gallo should be option 1 on the Knicks right now--my counter is he isnt doing it when it counts---translation--he starts the game off so poorly too consistently that he cannot be the man right now. Now let that absorb through your neurons--that is what I meant from the very first post on this thread--I think I am saying it as plain and simple as you can get it. D Lee starts the game in the 60's over his first 5 shots--even Chandler has moved into the low 50 on his. Gallo needs to do something else to establish his game from the start when the score is 0-0--perhaps more warm up and more post play. We cannot accept the primary guy as severely inconsistent from the start of games or we will be at a deficit. I really believe this is self-explanatory--and you're are going way ouit of the realm to attack other people personally because you are not understanding what we are saying. Point blank Gallo is shooting mid 30's in his first 5 shots[roughly half of them] until he can chance that--and I see no reason why he can't down the line[maybe he has trouble with his first cover--usually a first string player is longer and more athletic than a second team player or he is cold and shoots too many three's while he is cold--whatever it is--it needs to change.

Also--I have over 13k posts--I have never bet anyone a dime on anything. I thought that since it would be a nice gesture to send money to Haiti --whoever that may be--that we could settle the dispute in a positive way since you engaged me personally. If I was 30 and healthy I would have been more than glad to visit you in NY but as somewhat of a gimp at 41 it makes no sense to even suggest it unless you were willing to knock that time down to 90 seconds--surely you could beat an older 1 1/2 armed man with MS in 90 seconds for 25K--I think I would be more than open to that fair counter.

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1/20/2010  11:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/20/2010  11:20 AM
BRIGGS wrote:

TKF---The fact is Gallo is shooting 35.7% on his first 5 shots--that is not opinion that is fact. This thread started off as Gallo should be option 1 on the Knicks right now--my counter is he isnt doing it when it counts---translation--he starts the game off so poorly too consistently that he cannot be the man right now. Now let that absorb through your neurons--that is what I meant from the very first post on this thread--I think I am saying it as plain and simple as you can get it. D Lee starts the game in the 60's over his first 5 shots--even Chandler has moved into the low 50 on his. Gallo needs to do something else to establish his game from the start when the score is 0-0--perhaps more warm up and more post play. We cannot accept the primary guy as severely inconsistent from the start of games or we will be at a deficit. I really believe this is self-explanatory--and you're are going way ouit of the realm to attack other people personally because you are not understanding what we are saying. Point blank Gallo is shooting mid 30's in his first 5 shots[roughly half of them] until he can chance that--and I see no reason why he can't down the line[maybe he has trouble with his first cover--usually a first string player is longer and more athletic than a second team player or he is cold and shoots too many three's while he is cold--whatever it is--it needs to change.

Also--I have over 13k posts--I have never bet anyone a dime on anything. I thought that since it would be a nice gesture to send money to Haiti --whoever that may be--that we could settle the dispute in a positive way since you engaged me personally. If I was 30 and healthy I would have been more than glad to visit you in NY but as somewhat of a gimp at 41 it makes no sense to even suggest it unless you were willing to knock that time down to 90 seconds--surely you could beat an older 1 1/2 armed man with MS in 90 seconds for 25K--I think I would be more than open to that fair counter.

Briggs, what you fail to realize is how crazy and subjective this statement is..

right now--my counter is he isnt doing it when it counts---translation--he starts the game off so poorly too consistently that he cannot be the man right now.

But you actually said:

Gallinari is our best scorer when we get down 25 points--the problem is he is shooting under 40% when the game counts.

You pretty much tried to imply he scores during garbage time.. that is not true..

When does a game count? You just can't take the first 5 shots... why not the first 10? I can tell you why? because it doesnt support this ridiculous claim of yours...running the offense through a person should not be predicated on how he does on his first 5 shots.. that is just silly. there is so much more to running an offense than shooting 36% on your first 5 shots.... why is that so hard to understand briggs.. when have games been decided in the first Quarter? what makes the first quarter count more than the third or fourth? you keep running from this issue to stick by your flawed logic!

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1/20/2010  11:16 AM
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TKF---The fact is Gallo is shooting 35.7% on his first 5 shots--that is not opinion that is fact. This thread started off as Gallo should be option 1 on the Knicks right now--my counter is he isnt doing it when it counts---translation--he starts the game off so poorly too consistently that he cannot be the man right now. Now let that absorb through your neurons--that is what I meant from the very first post on this thread--I think I am saying it as plain and simple as you can get it. D Lee starts the game in the 60's over his first 5 shots--even Chandler has moved into the low 50 on his. Gallo needs to do something else to establish his game from the start when the score is 0-0--perhaps more warm up and more post play. We cannot accept the primary guy as severely inconsistent from the start of games or we will be at a deficit. I really believe this is self-explanatory--and you're are going way ouit of the realm to attack other people personally because you are not understanding what we are saying. Point blank Gallo is shooting mid 30's in his first 5 shots[roughly half of them] until he can chance that--and I see no reason why he can't down the line[maybe he has trouble with his first cover--usually a first string player is longer and more athletic than a second team player or he is cold and shoots too many three's while he is cold--whatever it is--it needs to change.

Also--I have over 13k posts--I have never bet anyone a dime on anything. I thought that since it would be a nice gesture to send money to Haiti --whoever that may be--that we could settle the dispute in a positive way since you engaged me personally. If I was 30 and healthy I would have been more than glad to visit you in NY but as somewhat of a gimp at 41 it makes no sense to even suggest it unless you were willing to knock that time down to 90 seconds--surely you could beat an older 1 1/2 armed man with MS in 90 seconds for 25K--I think I would be more than open to that fair counter.

whenever I or my company donate money, we do so secretly without much fanfare.. if sending money to haiti is something you want to do, then do so out of the kindness of your heart.. no need to make a spectacle doing so.....

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1/20/2010  11:24 AM
I think this has passed the point of productive conversation. Lets move on.
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1/20/2010  11:44 AM
I don't think Gallo is ready to be the number 1 option yet, maybe next year. He is not consistent enough. But he will be.
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Andrew wrote:I think this has passed the point of productive conversation. Lets move on.

I agree 100%

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1/20/2010  1:33 PM
BRIGGS wrote:TKF---The fact is Gallo is shooting 35.7% on his first 5 shots--that is not opinion that is fact. This thread started off as Gallo should be option 1 on the Knicks right now--my counter is he isnt doing it when it counts---translation--he starts the game off so poorly too consistently that he cannot be the man right now.

To be honest, I would rather have a guy who is a bit cold at the beginning and comes on strong down the stretch, than a guy who starts strong and is invisible as you approach the finish line.

For me, the go to guy on the team should be the guy you want taking shots and making decisions at the end of the game, and Gallo is usually able to give us a scoring burst in the second half when we need it.

I am not pushing for Gallo to be the #1 scoring option on the team. He is still on the "young side" of 21, is coming off surgery, continues to defer to the vets, and he is clearly not in the kind of physical shape that he will be in when he is 23. Lee, and maybe Harrington,(if he is hot), may be better options at this point, but if you want a clutch 3 down the stretch, Gallinari is the guy who you may want to go to on the Knicks. There will come a day, though, when Gallinari will get many more touches and the green light to do more things when he has the ball.

The fact that we can even discuss and debate this is also amazing, considering where Gallo's career was last season. He has made excellent progress, and is developing into the kind of complete player that has even surprised me, a major Gallinari booster.

How many folks on UK called him a bust last year? How many guys were critical when he started off slow in pre-season and his shot was off? It would be great to see some old posts from guys who think they can evaluate players without all the evidence being in.

Before he played for us he was criticized because people thought he was a soft Euro who coudn't play D. Now we know he is not soft, and can play D quite well for a big man guarding smaller/quicker opponents.

Next he is criticized because he is only a jump shooter. Now he is driving to the basket and showing creativity around the hoop. (He needs to do this more, BUT now we realize he has the ability to do it.)

Now he is taking hits because his early game shooting stats don't measure up in the eyes of some?!

I am looking forward to the day when he is playing great and averaging 20PPG and guys are critical because his dunks are not thunderous enough.

Folks who want to be critical will always find ways to attack a player they don't like or did not want on the team. Now that Hill is getting some play and doing some things on the court, people will be focusing on the things he cannot yet do, and not looking at the positive things he can now do on for the team.

Guys seem to manufacture unrealistic standards when judging certain young players (Including the idea that Gallo should be our #1 scoring option at this point!). It goes on a lot around here, so I have come to expect it, but it is annoying nonetheless.

I think Gallinari has the potential to be a special player in the NBA. I think that Hill can be a fine big man in this league. I think that Douglas can be an excellent 25-30 MPG guard on a winning team.

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Paladin55 wrote:Folks who want to be critical will always find ways to attack a player they don't like or did not want on the team.

+1
So true.
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1/20/2010  2:36 PM
WindsorPl wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:Folks who want to be critical will always find ways to attack a player they don't like or did not want on the team.

+1
So true.

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1/20/2010  3:00 PM
I think the first 5 posts or so on this thread were great, but now it's gone cold.
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Andrew wrote:I think this has passed the point of productive conversation. Lets move on.

I totally agree. I think this thread should be locked.
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