Bippity10 wrote:TMS wrote:Bip, i'm gonna respond to u w/the same post i responded to kam with:that's faulty logic... Al Harrington is also an inconsistent & shoot first baller who will give u 40 pts. one night & a 2 for 11 shooting performance the next... saying MDA was looking for a winning formula by benching Nate is a copout... they lost the game that Nate got benched vs. the Magic by a 14 pt. margin & the team played zero defense allowing their opponent to score 118 pts that night, the formula obviously didn't work for that game... so if there were no personal motivations behind it why wasn't Nate reinserted? the next game MDA benched Gallo vs. the Hawks & they won, so why wasn't Gallo left on the bench sitting next to Nate thereafter? that formula obviously worked out... if it's all about winning & nothing else, wouldn't that be the logical outcome of a win in that scenario?face it, guys just simply started to finally stop playing like garbage after Nate got benched, that was all there was to it... initially Nate got benched for unprofessional behavior before the game... it was the last straw for MDA to take... 2 games later the team started to win games cuz guys started to play up to their potential... i think you're giving MDA way too much credit here... the winning was a coincidental outcome of the disciplinary action he took, nothing more.
You are having a different conversation with Kam then with me so this does not apply. I've never said that we started playing well becasue Nate was benched. I'm talking about D'Antoni running his basketball team and benching whoever he wants for whatever reason he wants. If he doesn't think a guys attitude helps the team then he sits. If he thinks a players on court play is hurting the team he sits. If a guys on court play is hurting the team but the coach thinks he will need him long-term so he doesn't sit him then he should do that. A coach isn't going to treat everyone the same. If Jordan Farmar diocks around on defense he's going to ride the pine. If Kobe Bryant diocks around on defense he's getting 40 minutes and 20+ shots. In that case is there an agenda against Jordan Farmar or is it that each situation is handled differently and that is the reality of sports?
Nate was benched. It wasn't the reason we won or lost. Our winning is because we are gelling as a team. The standard is raised and guys are busting tail on defense and trying to share the ball. Nate, Larry and whoever is sitting on the bench have no right to complain about not playing. Just be ready(like Larry was the first time and Nate the second) and if the coach decides that you should be in the line-up take advantage of it, up your game and never lose your spot.
D'Antoni isn't trying to change Nate's game or personality. He is trying to teach Nate to fit that game and personality in what we are trying to build here. If Nate does, we will probably try to sign him long-term. If he doesn't we've already proven we can win without him and he can find another team or we try to trade him. No great controversy to me. Happens every day in all sports.
your post included the following:
You seem to think there is some formula to playing time. Coaches, don't say he's the most talented so let me play him. They say, what line-up(not players, line-up) gives me the best chance to win. Nothing personal if you aren't in that line-up and someone less talented is. It's not up to the coach to make sure you play because you are talented. It's up to the coach to find a winning line-up. And when he does, stick with it. When that line-up starts to falter then a good coach adjusts. That's life, none of these players are owed anything.
so with that in mind, why then didn't MDA keep Gallo on the bench after the Hawks game when he finally found a lineup that could win a ballgame? if there was nothing personal with Nate's benching, why was he kept on the bench for 14 straight games after the team lost the first game he was benched to begin with? my post to kam applied directly to your earlier response, which is why i quoted it here... you bring up the Kobe example & say even if he's dicking around on the court he's still going to get 40 minutes a night because he gives your team the best chance to win a ballgame... that's obvious... & yet you think coaches don't necessarily play the most talented guys... you're contradicting yourself here... if Kobe was benched in favor of Jordan Farmar, then yes, i WOULD think there was some personal agenda against him... Farmar is a bit role player & not even in the same league talent wise as Kobe, i don't care if he was doing everything right in the coach's eyes & been a model citizen in practice, if he got playing time over a much more talented player like Kobe Bryant then that would suggest there is definitely something personal going on there... this is exactly the point i've been making from the very beginning... we had scrubs like Bender getting minutes over Nate during his benching... we had a guy like Fishlips playing 35+ a night who was a complete liability on offense during the entire stretch... u'r telling me the coach did this because he sincerely believed that this gave him the best chance of winning a ballgame over playing Nate Robinson & that there were no personal undertones whatsoever at play? i can't agree w/u on that, i'm sorry... look, i'm all for changing the culture here... i was for the hiring of MDA from the very beginning... i respect MDA's ability to coach & i like what i'm seeing in their improved level of play of late, but i don't think this was all about basketball like you seem to think it was.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
