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1/4/2010  4:42 PM
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TMS wrote:i think Arenas is gonna get jail time over this... 3 guns = 3 separate citable offenses... he's toast... his flippant attitude over this isn't gonna help his cause either.

i think Crittenton will get a lesser penalty, but he can also probably see some jail time.

I see Gilbert pleading guilty and getting a ridiculous amount of probation(5+ years) and alot of community service.

Plaxico could have probably avoided jail time if he didn't stone wall the D.A. for a year.

i doubt it on Plax... he had the Mayor demanding him to be made an example of NY's gun laws, there was no way he was gonna avoid jailtime.

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1/4/2010  4:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2010  4:43 PM
nyk4ever wrote:i'm not familiar with gun laws so if im wrong then too bad

i understand what gilbert did by having the 3 guns in the locker room is breaking the NBA laws, but is it breaking any other laws if he has a license for them and did not shoot the guns or anything?

I don't know!But taking three out and encouraging a person to 'choose one' is somewhat shady.

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1/4/2010  4:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2010  4:44 PM
nyk4ever wrote:i'm not familiar with gun laws so if im wrong then too bad

i understand what gilbert did by having the 3 guns in the locker room is breaking the NBA laws, but is it breaking any other laws if he has a license for them and did not shoot the guns or anything?


from what i've heard i believe it's against the law to bring ur guns, licensed or not, loaded or not, fired or not, into a public place
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1/4/2010  5:08 PM
TMS wrote:
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TMS wrote:i think Arenas is gonna get jail time over this... 3 guns = 3 separate citable offenses... he's toast... his flippant attitude over this isn't gonna help his cause either.

i think Crittenton will get a lesser penalty, but he can also probably see some jail time.

I see Gilbert pleading guilty and getting a ridiculous amount of probation(5+ years) and alot of community service.

Plaxico could have probably avoided jail time if he didn't stone wall the D.A. for a year.

i doubt it on Plax... he had the Mayor demanding him to be made an example of NY's gun laws, there was no way he was gonna avoid jailtime.

Plax got 2 yrs and he was carrying a loaded gun into a club that fired and could have potentially killed someone. I have a hard time seeing Gilbert getting jail time especially if the guns were registered, unloaded, and is secure location.

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1/4/2010  5:15 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Plax got 2 yrs and he was carrying a loaded gun into a club that fired and could have potentially killed someone. I have a hard time seeing Gilbert getting jail time especially if the guns were registered, unloaded, and in secure location up Crittenton's arsehole.
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1/4/2010  5:29 PM
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TMS wrote:
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TMS wrote:i think Arenas is gonna get jail time over this... 3 guns = 3 separate citable offenses... he's toast... his flippant attitude over this isn't gonna help his cause either.

i think Crittenton will get a lesser penalty, but he can also probably see some jail time.

I see Gilbert pleading guilty and getting a ridiculous amount of probation(5+ years) and alot of community service.

Plaxico could have probably avoided jail time if he didn't stone wall the D.A. for a year.

i doubt it on Plax... he had the Mayor demanding him to be made an example of NY's gun laws, there was no way he was gonna avoid jailtime.

Plax got 2 yrs and he was carrying a loaded gun into a club that fired and could have potentially killed someone. I have a hard time seeing Gilbert getting jail time especially if the guns were registered, unloaded, and is secure location.

i agree the Plax situation was more heinous because of the circumstances, but i still think Arenas will see jail time... not as much as 2 years but a few months to a year wouldn't be out of the question here... i'm not a legal expert so i dunno what the exact penalties are for gun possession in DC, but i do know it's a crime to have ANY guns in a public place down here unless you're a law enforcement or government official with a specific purpose to carry, which he obviously is not... even if those guns were registered, licensed & not loaded, it's still a crime for Arenas to have them in that situation, & to leave them out for someone to pick up & throw across the room over a gambling debt will definitely not help his defense in this matter either... Arenas showed hugely bad judgement & was blatantly wreckless with a deadly weapon, loaded or not... i doubt the judge will go lightly on him if the authorities decide to prosecute this case, which i have a feeling they will... the Pollin family is about fed up w/Arenas' antics & they're not happy about this situation one bit, so Arenas can probably forget about the organization going to bat for him in this situation.

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1/4/2010  5:32 PM
As a Knick fan, all I care about is how this affects the Wiz' cap situation going into this free agency period.
Did we just get one more competitor in the free agent market?
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1/4/2010  5:34 PM
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AnubisADL wrote:Arenas was foolish for bringing the guns into the Arena but I don't think he deserves more than a 20-30 game suspension. A knife/shiv can do more damage than a unloaded gun. I Media making a big deal about nothing. In the real world people own guns, gamble, and cheat on their wives.

but it's not nothing... it's against league policy, which could lead to a void contract situation. Even 20-30 games suspension is not nothing. That's HUGE.

He'd only get that much because the media has run wild with it. They painted the situation as if Arenas and Crittenton were on a street corner and pulled out loaded pistols on each other. I own a glock(legally) and it is pretty much useless with no bullets in it.

The melee in Detroit was a millions times worse than this could ever be.


I think you're missing the point.
Regardless if it was loaded or not, its a) against league rules, b) a violent threat.

I have no issue with him being punished for breaking the league's rules. I have an issue with the media portraying the situation as a shoot out at the O.K. Corral.

An unloaded gun is as much a threat as a rock.

You can put a bullet in an unloaded gun. You cannot do that to a rock.

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1/4/2010  5:35 PM
Panos wrote:As a Knick fan, all I care about is how this affects the Wiz' cap situation going into this free agency period.
Did we just get one more competitor in the free agent market?

IMO they could be a rival for second tier guys on the market like Joe Johnson, Carlos Boozer, David Lee, etc., but not for Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Amare or Bosh.

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1/4/2010  5:36 PM
TMS wrote:
Panos wrote:As a Knick fan, all I care about is how this affects the Wiz' cap situation going into this free agency period.
Did we just get one more competitor in the free agent market?

IMO they could be a rival for second tier guys on the market like Joe Johnson, Carlos Boozer, David Lee, etc., but not for Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Amare or Bosh.

Is that a fact based on their salary situation? I don't know what they have under contract next year...

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1/4/2010  5:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2010  5:40 PM
Panos wrote:
TMS wrote:
Panos wrote:As a Knick fan, all I care about is how this affects the Wiz' cap situation going into this free agency period.
Did we just get one more competitor in the free agent market?

IMO they could be a rival for second tier guys on the market like Joe Johnson, Carlos Boozer, David Lee, etc., but not for Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Amare or Bosh.

Is that a fact based on their salary situation? I don't know what they have under contract next year...

if u take Arenas' contract off their books they'll be at about $36 mil, which gives them enough cap space to target a max guy... i just don't see any of the top FA's wanting to come to DC... it's not a situation conducive to winning right now... u have guys bickering in the lockerroom, u have young guys who want out, u have star players like Jamison & Butler complaining about the attitudes guys come to practice with... living down here in DC it's widely known the team is a mess right now... the Knicks at least are on the upswing & things seem to be coming together w/some good young talent on the team... the Wizards are a team that are slated to be blown up & rebuilt soon IMO.

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1/4/2010  5:42 PM
Well that sucks. Should have been Eddy and JJ2 dueling it out.
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1/4/2010  5:44 PM
Panos wrote:Well that sucks. Should have been Eddy and JJ2 dueling it out.

i wonder if Arenas would consider selling us his guns so we can accomplish that thought... i doubt he's gonna be needing them now.

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1/4/2010  6:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2010  6:26 PM
TMS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
TMS wrote:i think Arenas is gonna get jail time over this... 3 guns = 3 separate citable offenses... he's toast... his flippant attitude over this isn't gonna help his cause either.

i think Crittenton will get a lesser penalty, but he can also probably see some jail time.

I see Gilbert pleading guilty and getting a ridiculous amount of probation(5+ years) and alot of community service.

Plaxico could have probably avoided jail time if he didn't stone wall the D.A. for a year.

i doubt it on Plax... he had the Mayor demanding him to be made an example of NY's gun laws, there was no way he was gonna avoid jailtime.

Plax got 2 yrs and he was carrying a loaded gun into a club that fired and could have potentially killed someone. I have a hard time seeing Gilbert getting jail time especially if the guns were registered, unloaded, and is secure location.

i agree the Plax situation was more heinous because of the circumstances, but i still think Arenas will see jail time... not as much as 2 years but a few months to a year wouldn't be out of the question here... i'm not a legal expert so i dunno what the exact penalties are for gun possession in DC, but i do know it's a crime to have ANY guns in a public place down here unless you're a law enforcement or government official with a specific purpose to carry, which he obviously is not... even if those guns were registered, licensed & not loaded, it's still a crime for Arenas to have them in that situation, & to leave them out for someone to pick up & throw across the room over a gambling debt will definitely not help his defense in this matter either... Arenas showed hugely bad judgement & was blatantly wreckless with a deadly weapon, loaded or not... i doubt the judge will go lightly on him if the authorities decide to prosecute this case, which i have a feeling they will... the Pollin family is about fed up w/Arenas' antics & they're not happy about this situation one bit, so Arenas can probably forget about the organization going to bat for him in this situation.

At the end of the day if Arenas gets jail time so does Crittenton because he pulled out his own gun. I assume Arenas and Crittenton along with their lawyers got their "story" straight before hand. 5+ yrs probation isn't a cake walk when any little violation can send you to jail.

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Might be charged with misdemeanor for possessing guns. Common sense tells me Arenas and Crittenton aren't going to admit to pointing guns at one another which could be charged with assault with a deadly weapon.

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1/4/2010  9:06 PM
yeah, they definitely aren't gonna admit to any gun pointing whether that happened or not... they better hope there isn't another disgruntled teammate that's gonna present a story to the contrary tho.
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1/4/2010  9:41 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/4/2010  9:42 PM
Arenas Releases Statement On Guns Incident
Jan 04, 2010 6:16 PM EST
Kenneth L. Wainstein, a partner in the Washington, DC office of O'Melveny & Myers LLP and attorney for Gilbert Arenas, stated today:

"This afternoon, Gilbert Arenas voluntarily met with federal prosecutors at the United States Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia and detectives of the Metropolitan Police Department to explain the circumstances surrounding the presence of his unloaded firearms at the Verizon Center last month.

From the outset of this incident, Mr. Arenas has been fully cooperative with the investigation. He acknowledged his possession of the guns when questioned by Washington Wizards team officials; he immediately offered and relinquished the guns to Wizards security personnel; and he had me proactively reach out to the U.S. Attorney's Office and make an immediate self-disclosure about the guns.

Consistent with that cooperative approach, Mr. Arenas felt it important that we meet with law enforcement at the first possible opportunity so that he could tell the full story. Over the course of a two-hour interview this afternoon, Mr. Arenas answered every question asked of him.

Mr. Arenas has been constrained in his public comment about these circumstances out of concern that he not do anything to interfere with the ongoing law enforcement investigation. Please understand that his public comments will continue to be limited as long as the investigation continues. Nevertheless, now that he has completed his interview, Mr. Arenas wishes to make the following statement about last month's events and today's interview."

Mr. Arenas' Statement

"I appreciated the opportunity to meet with law enforcement officials today. As the person who caused this trouble in the first place, I thought it was my duty to be the first witness to come forward and meet with the prosecutors and detectives. I told my attorney I wanted to get in for an interview as soon as we could arrange it, and that was today.

I told the detectives and prosecutors the whole story about my storing the unloaded guns at the Verizon Center and what I was intending to do when I took them out of my locker on December 21st.

As I have said before, I had kept the four unloaded handguns in my house in Virginia, but then moved them over to my locker at the Verizon Center to keep them away from my young kids. I brought them without any ammunition into the District of Columbia, mistakenly believing that the recent change in the DC gun laws allowed a person to store unloaded guns in the District.

On Monday, December 21st, I took the unloaded guns out in a misguided effort to play a joke on a teammate. Contrary to some press accounts, I never threatened or assaulted anyone with the guns and never pointed them at anyone.

Joke or not, I now recognize that what I did was a mistake and was wrong. I should not have brought the guns to DC in the first place, and I now realize that there's no such thing as joking around when it comes to guns — even if unloaded.

I am very sorry for the effect that my serious lapse in judgment has had on my team, my teammates, the National Basketball Association and its fans. I want to apologize to everybody for letting them down with my conduct, and I promise to do better in the future.

I also want to thank the detectives and prosecutors on the case for the professionalism and courtesy they showed me during the interview today. I stand ready to continue to give my full cooperation to them and to the League as they investigate this incident."

Based on Gilbert's statement (if substantiated) I think neither player will do jail time, and I think both will play agin this season. But I expect a doozy of a punishment from Stern and the NBA. Doubtful this gets the Wizzies out of the contract. Guns were unloaded, not discharged, and not used in the commission of any crimes. Knucklehead, yes. Dangerous, not really. Criminal, yes in D.C. but not by much.

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1/4/2010  11:09 PM
I don't know why anyone needs guns in the first place, I know theres the amendment but if no one had guns, there would be no violence, so why not just make a total ban?
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1/4/2010  11:15 PM
orangeblobman wrote:I don't know why anyone needs guns in the first place, I know theres the amendment but if no one had guns, there would be no violence, so why not just make a total ban?

no guns = no violence eh? interesting... about 5000 years of recorded history would tend to disprove that theory.

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1/4/2010  11:33 PM
Just a note: Pointing an unloaded gun at someone who does not know the gun is not loaded constitutes assualt in most cases.
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1/4/2010  11:43 PM
orangeblobman wrote:I don't know why anyone needs guns in the first place, I know theres the amendment but if no one had guns, there would be no violence, so why not just make a total ban?

People with winning brains need the guns to shoot animals while riding bicycles.

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