nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:anyone who thinks Nate is a changed player all of a sudden has a short memory apparently... i didn't see anything different about how he was playing tonight that he hasn't already shown in the past when he's on his game... this is the type of talent this guy possesses... but yeah, let's give all the credit to the coach for teaching Nate how to be a professional... come on guys, get real... Nate is still Nate... nothing's changed... if MDA can't coach this guy then Donnie Walsh needs to figure out a way to trade him for a usable asset, cuz if this guy walks for nothing at the end of the season it's gonna be a horrible waste of a very talented ballplayer.

TMS I really hate to keep disagreeing with you, but let's just say that when a coach is looking to instill a NEW attitude in his team and he has players that run counter to that call for more professionalism and accountability, then he has a right to sit those players. Nate played within the scheme and did what he should do when out there. MDA like any coach LOVES Nate's talent, but it's the other crap that he could do without. I don't care if it took 20 games to make his point, MDA as coach has every right to decide who he plays and why.

We won't know if this has had an effect on Nate for a long while. He simply has to control his emotions, not completely play without passion. He needs to focus on winning and not showboating. Is it too much to ask that a coach demands those things? I don't think MDA has to ask DW to trade Nate, not if he does what his coach asks. Anyone can act like a pro if they want to and Nate is no different. He's an adult and he can control himself.

dude, i had no problem with benching Nate for a game or two to send a message to the team, but sitting him for a month was beyond necessary... at that point it's taking AWAY from the rest of the team by sitting your best players for that long a stretch... if it's all about winning ballgames then u need to have your best players out on the floor to give yourself the best chance of winning a ballgame, case closed... otherwise if u can't figure out a way to make use of players w/Nate's talent & ability, then u need to trade him for an asset that you CAN use to help you win down the road... MDA will never change Nate Robinson... i'm telling u now, u don't have to believe me.

crzymdups wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:anyone who thinks Nate is a changed player all of a sudden has a short memory apparently... i didn't see anything different about how he was playing tonight that he hasn't already shown in the past when he's on his game... this is the type of talent this guy possesses... but yeah, let's give all the credit to the coach for teaching Nate how to be a professional... come on guys, get real... Nate is still Nate... nothing's changed... if MDA can't coach this guy then Donnie Walsh needs to figure out a way to trade him for a usable asset, cuz if this guy walks for nothing at the end of the season it's gonna be a horrible waste of a very talented ballplayer.

TMS I really hate to keep disagreeing with you, but let's just say that when a coach is looking to instill a NEW attitude in his team and he has players that run counter to that call for more professionalism and accountability, then he has a right to sit those players. Nate played within the scheme and did what he should do when out there. MDA like any coach LOVES Nate's talent, but it's the other crap that he could do without. I don't care if it took 20 games to make his point, MDA as coach has every right to decide who he plays and why.

We won't know if this has had an effect on Nate for a long while. He simply has to control his emotions, not completely play without passion. He needs to focus on winning and not showboating. Is it too much to ask that a coach demands those things? I don't think MDA has to ask DW to trade Nate, not if he does what his coach asks. Anyone can act like a pro if they want to and Nate is no different. He's an adult and he can control himself.

dude, i had no problem with benching Nate for a game or two to send a message to the team, but sitting him for a month was beyond necessary... at that point it's taking AWAY from the rest of the team by sitting your best players for that long a stretch... if it's all about winning ballgames then u need to have your best players out on the floor to give yourself the best chance of winning a ballgame, case closed... otherwise if u can't figure out a way to make use of players w/Nate's talent & ability, then u need to trade him for an asset that you CAN use to help you win down the road... MDA will never change Nate Robinson... i'm telling u now, u don't have to believe me.

seeing nate's reaction tonight, i agree with you that he will never change. which leads me to believe it will never work with him here. it'd be nice to get an asset for him, but it'd be nicer to get him to buy in and help the team win. find the open man. play defense. don't try to do it all yourself. even kobe had to learn that lesson and nate is not kobe.

or MDA can figure out a way to utilize Nate... he's obviously as inflexible as Nate is... those 2 will butt heads forever as long as they're both a part of this franchise... Nate was doing it all himself this game... he got a steal or two but really wasn't playing much defense at all... he found the open man on a few drives to the lane, which he did before... he wasn't playing the type of game that MDA wants him to play, he was playing 1 on 5 for much of the 2nd half & in OT & he was torching the Hawks, they had no answer for him... all these people saying he's a changed player now are kidding themselves... he's the same guy he always was & will always be... there was absolutely nothing different about the way he played tonight than what he's already shown in the past... he's not gonna dominate like this every game & MDA will go right back to wanting to strangle him, u can bet on it... IMO it serves our franchise best by unleashing Nate, letting him do his thing, pumping up his trade value, & then getting back a useful asset at the deadline, cuz i just don't see this ever working out between those 2.

TMS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:anyone who thinks Nate is a changed player all of a sudden has a short memory apparently... i didn't see anything different about how he was playing tonight that he hasn't already shown in the past when he's on his game... this is the type of talent this guy possesses... but yeah, let's give all the credit to the coach for teaching Nate how to be a professional... come on guys, get real... Nate is still Nate... nothing's changed... if MDA can't coach this guy then Donnie Walsh needs to figure out a way to trade him for a usable asset, cuz if this guy walks for nothing at the end of the season it's gonna be a horrible waste of a very talented ballplayer.

TMS I really hate to keep disagreeing with you, but let's just say that when a coach is looking to instill a NEW attitude in his team and he has players that run counter to that call for more professionalism and accountability, then he has a right to sit those players. Nate played within the scheme and did what he should do when out there. MDA like any coach LOVES Nate's talent, but it's the other crap that he could do without. I don't care if it took 20 games to make his point, MDA as coach has every right to decide who he plays and why.

We won't know if this has had an effect on Nate for a long while. He simply has to control his emotions, not completely play without passion. He needs to focus on winning and not showboating. Is it too much to ask that a coach demands those things? I don't think MDA has to ask DW to trade Nate, not if he does what his coach asks. Anyone can act like a pro if they want to and Nate is no different. He's an adult and he can control himself.

dude, i had no problem with benching Nate for a game or two to send a message to the team, but sitting him for a month was beyond necessary... at that point it's taking AWAY from the rest of the team by sitting your best players for that long a stretch... if it's all about winning ballgames then u need to have your best players out on the floor to give yourself the best chance of winning a ballgame, case closed... otherwise if u can't figure out a way to make use of players w/Nate's talent & ability, then u need to trade him for an asset that you CAN use to help you win down the road... MDA will never change Nate Robinson... i'm telling u now, u don't have to believe me.

seeing nate's reaction tonight, i agree with you that he will never change. which leads me to believe it will never work with him here. it'd be nice to get an asset for him, but it'd be nicer to get him to buy in and help the team win. find the open man. play defense. don't try to do it all yourself. even kobe had to learn that lesson and nate is not kobe.

or MDA can figure out a way to utilize Nate... he's obviously as inflexible as Nate is... those 2 will butt heads forever as long as they're both a part of this franchise... Nate was doing it all himself this game... he got a steal or two but really wasn't playing much defense at all... he found the open man on a few drives to the lane, which he did before... he wasn't playing the type of game that MDA wants him to play, he was playing 1 on 5 for much of the 2nd half & in OT & he was torching the Hawks, they had no answer for him... all these people saying he's a changed player now are kidding themselves... he's the same guy he always was & will always be... there was absolutely nothing different about the way he played tonight than what he's already shown in the past... he's not gonna dominate like this every game & MDA will go right back to wanting to strangle him, u can bet on it... IMO it serves our franchise best by unleashing Nate, letting him do his thing, pumping up his trade value, & then getting back a useful asset at the deadline, cuz i just don't see this ever working out between those 2.

Perhaps you weren't paying attention, but MDA was actually calling for clear outs for Nate to work. When will you finally realize that MDA knows more about BB than any of us. You think he doesn't know that Nate has breakdown ability that no one else on the team has? He unleashed Nate on purpose at the end of the game. It wasn't Nate going off on his own breaking the plays, he WAS the play and who was it that kept putting the ball in Nate's hands? YEAH MDA!!!! Come on man, give it a rest already. It's been so long since we've had a real coach, you guys don't know how to recognize it anymore. What exactly is your problem with how this is all going down anyway?

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:anyone who thinks Nate is a changed player all of a sudden has a short memory apparently... i didn't see anything different about how he was playing tonight that he hasn't already shown in the past when he's on his game... this is the type of talent this guy possesses... but yeah, let's give all the credit to the coach for teaching Nate how to be a professional... come on guys, get real... Nate is still Nate... nothing's changed... if MDA can't coach this guy then Donnie Walsh needs to figure out a way to trade him for a usable asset, cuz if this guy walks for nothing at the end of the season it's gonna be a horrible waste of a very talented ballplayer.

TMS I really hate to keep disagreeing with you, but let's just say that when a coach is looking to instill a NEW attitude in his team and he has players that run counter to that call for more professionalism and accountability, then he has a right to sit those players. Nate played within the scheme and did what he should do when out there. MDA like any coach LOVES Nate's talent, but it's the other crap that he could do without. I don't care if it took 20 games to make his point, MDA as coach has every right to decide who he plays and why.

We won't know if this has had an effect on Nate for a long while. He simply has to control his emotions, not completely play without passion. He needs to focus on winning and not showboating. Is it too much to ask that a coach demands those things? I don't think MDA has to ask DW to trade Nate, not if he does what his coach asks. Anyone can act like a pro if they want to and Nate is no different. He's an adult and he can control himself.

dude, i had no problem with benching Nate for a game or two to send a message to the team, but sitting him for a month was beyond necessary... at that point it's taking AWAY from the rest of the team by sitting your best players for that long a stretch... if it's all about winning ballgames then u need to have your best players out on the floor to give yourself the best chance of winning a ballgame, case closed... otherwise if u can't figure out a way to make use of players w/Nate's talent & ability, then u need to trade him for an asset that you CAN use to help you win down the road... MDA will never change Nate Robinson... i'm telling u now, u don't have to believe me.

seeing nate's reaction tonight, i agree with you that he will never change. which leads me to believe it will never work with him here. it'd be nice to get an asset for him, but it'd be nicer to get him to buy in and help the team win. find the open man. play defense. don't try to do it all yourself. even kobe had to learn that lesson and nate is not kobe.

or MDA can figure out a way to utilize Nate... he's obviously as inflexible as Nate is... those 2 will butt heads forever as long as they're both a part of this franchise... Nate was doing it all himself this game... he got a steal or two but really wasn't playing much defense at all... he found the open man on a few drives to the lane, which he did before... he wasn't playing the type of game that MDA wants him to play, he was playing 1 on 5 for much of the 2nd half & in OT & he was torching the Hawks, they had no answer for him... all these people saying he's a changed player now are kidding themselves... he's the same guy he always was & will always be... there was absolutely nothing different about the way he played tonight than what he's already shown in the past... he's not gonna dominate like this every game & MDA will go right back to wanting to strangle him, u can bet on it... IMO it serves our franchise best by unleashing Nate, letting him do his thing, pumping up his trade value, & then getting back a useful asset at the deadline, cuz i just don't see this ever working out between those 2.

Perhaps you weren't paying attention, but MDA was actually calling for clear outs for Nate to work. When will you finally realize that MDA knows more about BB than any of us. You think he doesn't know that Nate has breakdown ability that no one else on the team has? He unleashed Nate on purpose at the end of the game. It wasn't Nate going off on his own breaking the plays, he WAS the play and who was it that kept putting the ball in Nate's hands? YEAH MDA!!!! Come on man, give it a rest already. It's been so long since we've had a real coach, you guys don't know how to recognize it anymore. What exactly is your problem with how this is all going down anyway?

well no sh!t letting Nate isolate down the stretch was the play... he was DOMINATING the game at that point!!! what kinda moronic coach doesn't know to give the ball to a guy who's in the zone like that & let him take over??? Nate was playing the same style of ball he's always played tonight... he came in & provided the offensive spark off the bench... he wasn't orchestrating the offense, he WAS the offense... perhaps YOU haven't been paying attention but that's not MDA's style of basketball... don't preach to me about how MDA wants Nate to play his style of basketball when u know damn well Nate wasn't doing anything different in this game than he's done since we drafted him... maybe it's been so long since YOU'VE seen him play you forgot what kinda basketball player Nate was to begin with?

& how many damn times do i have to tell u what my problem is with MDA anyway? u just looking for an argument here or do u want an exchange of viewpoints? if u want me to give it a rest stop asking for me to repeat the same things to you to explain my point... i don't like bullsh!t slingers... IMO MDA slings a lot of bullsh!t... if u wanna keep on making ur moronic assumptions about my feelings on MDA's coaching ability even after i've told u time & time again i like him as our coach then maybe u oughta put me on ignore... liking a coach doesn't mean ur not allowed to call him out when he deserves it.

TMS wrote:
at least u didn't call me a racist.

Not yet!

oohah

nyk4ever wrote:atleast the trolls come out when the knicks win now instead of when they lose.

Interesting, now I'm a troll. In the game thread you defended your statement regarding how D'Antoni pulled off this master plan with Robinson with: "Most people agree with me.".

That's one hell of an argument you made there. That leads me to believe that you prefer to seek the comfort of the herd, run with the popular crowd, and say what they say.

I know that is a "safe" way to live, but that doesn't make the rest of us who develop informed opinions and come to different conclusions that are not popular and are willing to defend them with facts, trolls.

Try forming an opinion based on the facts instead of repeating the papers and going with the popular flow. Give it a shot, you might like it.

oohah

nyk4ever wrote:atleast the trolls come out when the knicks win now instead of when they lose.

i've been presenting valid points & reasons for each point i've made on this topic... bro, i haven't heard u comment a thing all night... trolls post things with the sole purpose of trying to incite arguments on a forum... i don't think anything i've said or oohah has said tonight qualifies us as trolls... if u were talking about someone else, my mistake.